We Need To Come Together!

[originofopinion]

As of Today, I am Proclaiming that We Begin to Broaden Our Scopes on what type of System and Governance (If It is Desirable) we will be replacing Capitalism with. We need to discuss this in detail as we are the creators of the Next Era. We need to pick out objectives in the future in which we want to accomplish under our system.

The Discussion will entail of the following:

1: What Form of Communism do we want to focus on? Or Should We Compile them?
2: What Level of Governance do we want?
3: How Will We maintain our system?
4: How will our industries run under our system?
5: How will we take care of Criminal Activity?
6: What should be done to create are far more sustainable world?
7: What Sciences should we focus on under this system?
8: How should our Urban Areas as Well as Rural Areas be planned?
9: To What Extent does Food Production and Industrialism do put in place?
10: How should we revolt?

Capitalism is a Dying (if not dead) system. It has to be replaced. We need to get our Comrades together and start the revolution. We need to Come Together! So Comrades, Let Us Do just that with the creation of a Global System.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Thank you,

While it is important to consider many of the things you have listed above, as a Marxist who believes that the only thing that can successfully and beneficially replace capitalism is a worker-run society created by workers themselves, I do not think it is my place to dictate to people in the future how they should run their own liberation. If you look at bourgeois revolutions, for example, the North American British colonists involved with the American Revolution did not start by writing the Constitution, they began with their basic and general demands and reasons why they felt they could not be ruled by the British. How the government they created came to be was through the process of revolution itself and their own class interests.

So in my view our job, at this point, is not to be deciding these things now, but to be the (continuing the American Revolution anaolgy and adding a bit of French) Tom Panes and Marats [with better skin, I hope] of the working class. We need to argue for why capitalism can not solve the problems we face; why the working class needs to organize itself and begin to assert its independent class interests, and fighting the small struggles now that will arm all workers with the confidence to see that they can fight and win strikes and reforms but also to see that organization and solidarity could potentially help us win a totally different and better world for ourselves.

[The Vegan Marxist]

As of Today, I am Proclaiming that We Begin to Broaden Our Scopes on what type of System and Governance (If It is Desirable) we will be replacing Capitalism with. We need to discuss this in detail as we are the creators of the Next Era. We need to pick out objectives in the future in which we want to accomplish under our system.

The Discussion will entail of the following:

1: What Form of Communism do we want to focus on? Or Should We Compile them?
2: What Level of Governance do we want?
3: How Will We maintain our system?
4: How will our industries run under our system?
5: How will we take care of Criminal Activity?
6: What should be done to create are far more sustainable world?
7: What Sciences should we focus on under this system?
8: How should our Urban Areas as Well as Rural Areas be planned?
9: To What Extent does Food Production and Industrialism do put in place?
10: How should we revolt?

Capitalism is a Dying (if not dead) system. It has to be replaced. We need to get our Comrades together and start the revolution. We need to Come Together! So Comrades, Let Us Do just that with the creation of a Global System.

If anything, if we were to make the decision to finally start the revolution, we would need to do this communally. We would need to gather up info on who all is within our community that is ready to gather arms & then we'd need to strike all at once. Which, in this idea, we'd need some form of underground communication within each other to know when the time is ready to strike. Our numbers & the communication to those numbers is highly important.

[originofopinion]

But Comrades We Need a Framework First. Our Revolution will be in shatters iif we don`t organize.

[The Vegan Marxist]

But Comrades We Need a Framework First. Our Revolution will be in shatters iif we don`t organize.

I think the best first question we need to ask ourselves is whether we're ready to wage revolutionary warfare yet. In which, I don't think the States is ready.

[Jimmie Higgins]

But Comrades We Need a Framework First. Our Revolution will be in shatters iif we don`t organize.Well we definately need to organize among the working class and raise militancy and consciousness to the point where workers know they can run society better and push the old order out of the way.

But the details of things like how different communities or factories will coordinate, what do we do about severe mental patients or so on must be ironed out by workers themselves. We can take stabs at what we think might be best or what would be in workers interests, but ultimately all of this must be up to people at the time to decide in a collective manner.

Again, no one entered into the American Revolution saying: "Future citizens, We must have an electoral college and three branches of government!". No, the revolutionaries made an argument that England or the King of France was harmful to the population, why it was this way, and what people can do about it.

For one thing calling for a specific form for the running of specific things after a revolution at this stage is simply undemocratic. Second, we do not know what people's needs are at this point or what potential debates will come up as a process of revolution.

We can say: after a revolution, everyone will have to sign-up and train in a militia to stop counter-revolutionary forces, but then what if the revolution is someplace faces little or no resistance - why do you need that?

Lenin did not write "State and Revolution" in 1900, he wrote it when taking power was a real question among masses of people and various revolutionary groups. At that time there were real questions about how do we run things and Lenin was taking up alternate conceptions for working class rule as well as the historical precedent of the Paris Commune.

I think it's fine if you want to propose ways that the questions you outlines might be handled and why you think this would be best, but I don't think radical groups should prescribe to people how to run a potential socialist society - it's up to them and that's the whole point of it.

[4N4RCHY]

Actually, I don't think that we should rush in to Communism. Marx said it himself - we have to have a "dictatorship of the proletariat" before we can be true Communists. Democratic Socialism isn't that bad of an idea during our transitional phase...

[SandiNeesta]

Actually, I don't think that we should rush in to Communism. Marx said it himself - we have to have a "dictatorship of the proletariat" before we can be true Communists. Democratic Socialism isn't that bad of an idea during our transitional phase...
I agree....I also think it will take a few generations out of capitalism to have a majority of people who want to do what's best for the whole and will be able to make the transition to communism.

[bcbm]

I think the best first question we need to ask ourselves is whether we're ready to wage revolutionary warfare yet. In which, I don't think the States is ready.

i don't see how that could possibly be the first question we should ask ourselves, let alone the best one. we are trying to neutralize power, not have a shoot out with it.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I agree....I also think it will take a few generations out of capitalism to have a majority of people who want to do what's best for the whole and will be able to make the transition to communism.

The transition maybe to communism, but capitalism in the States doesn't have a few generations left. It's dying & is almost dead.

[punisa]

The transition maybe to communism, but capitalism in the States doesn't have a few generations left. It's dying & is almost dead.

Although I would be extremely happy if capitalism is actually dying, but what proof do we have of this?
I dunno much about the states, but I know situation in Europe.
Capitalism dying? 2009, maybe.
2010 - not so much.

Small observation I was reading in today's daily papers,
number of people in Europe that said they will spend their holidays at home due to the financial crisis:
2009: 32%
2010: 21%

This is somewhat unrelated, but still... how is capitalism dead? If we exclude wishful thinking..

[The Vegan Marxist]

Although I would be extremely happy if capitalism is actually dying, but what proof do we have of this?
I dunno much about the states, but I know situation in Europe.
Capitalism dying? 2009, maybe.
2010 - not so much.

Small observation I was reading in today's daily papers,
number of people in Europe that said they will spend their holidays at home due to the financial crisis:
2009: 32%
2010: 21%

This is somewhat unrelated, but still... how is capitalism dead? If we exclude wishful thinking..

We went through another crash in '08, & unlike what we did back during the first stock crash, we decided to pay these banks again, to keep capitalism growing, despite the fact that it already bursted again. If they were smart, they would've slowed capitalism down & give people some things they want, but instead, they kept the status-quo moving full force. That's why I say capitalism is almost dead in this country.

[Invincible Summer]

As of Today, I am Proclaiming that We Begin to Broaden Our Scopes on what type of System and Governance (If It is Desirable) we will be replacing Capitalism with. We need to discuss this in detail as we are the creators of the Next Era. We need to pick out objectives in the future in which we want to accomplish under our system.

The Discussion will entail of the following:

1: What Form of Communism do we want to focus on? Or Should We Compile them?
2: What Level of Governance do we want?
3: How Will We maintain our system?
4: How will our industries run under our system?
5: How will we take care of Criminal Activity?
6: What should be done to create are far more sustainable world?
7: What Sciences should we focus on under this system?
8: How should our Urban Areas as Well as Rural Areas be planned?
9: To What Extent does Food Production and Industrialism do put in place?
10: How should we revolt?

Capitalism is a Dying (if not dead) system. It has to be replaced. We need to get our Comrades together and start the revolution. We need to Come Together! So Comrades, Let Us Do just that with the creation of a Global System.

Although I'm sure many of us share your concerns, I think that having this planned out "New Era" as you call it (which sounds really cult-ish btw :p) is problematic, as it suggests an inflexible plan for how society "should" be run.

If we were to be in a situation where revolutionaries are making significant gains worldwide, this would be a paramount set of questions to be answered. However, we are not in that situation yet, and I think we should be focusing on how we're building revolution right now before any "this is what crime will be dealt with in a communist society" questions are answered.

[Luisrah]

Although I would be extremely happy if capitalism is actually dying, but what proof do we have of this?
I dunno much about the states, but I know situation in Europe.
Capitalism dying? 2009, maybe.
2010 - not so much.

Small observation I was reading in today's daily papers,
number of people in Europe that said they will spend their holidays at home due to the financial crisis:
2009: 32%
2010: 21%

This is somewhat unrelated, but still... how is capitalism dead? If we exclude wishful thinking..

A few years of economic crisis make many people spend little money.
But when a few politicians come about saying the crisis is over, plus, they are tired of saving money and being extremely careful, no wonder they might want to get some fresh air after so much time.

[punisa]

A few years of economic crisis make many people spend little money.
But when a few politicians come about saying the crisis is over, plus, they are tired of saving money and being extremely careful, no wonder they might want to get some fresh air after so much time.

I know, media plays a huge role in common people's decision. Remember the swine flu and the way media bloated everything? Crisis is yet another example.
Consumerism, supply and demand, economic situations... these are all almost imaginary therms that can be forged and guided by the media.

But the fact is - capitalism is a huge gigantic machine that invented numerous ways to re-invent itself, it will not go down on its own, it will not collapse in a way that USSR did.
Simply because it transcended its material form, its almost untouchable at this point.
Future commodities market anyone?

Capitalism must be brought down by the working class, no other way around it.
Indeed, we must come together, but not to build upon the ashes of a long gone system - we must force and make way for a better one.

How are we going to do this? By exploiting every possible hole we can find, by building massive awareness and creating a demand for a new socialist rulership, by putting working men and women in charge of the means of production and hence their future survival.

[Axle]

This is fine to think about, but it's not what we should be focused on right now. We (as in leftists in general) are still basically just a blip on the radar in terms of numbers, with exception to a few select areas; and what organization we do have is plauged by infighting.

What we should focus on is expanding significantly in the West, America especially, and unifying the left as a single, powerful force.

[ContrarianLemming]

framework set in stone shall be tyranny to even the author, we must be dynamic above all else. We can predict few problems and few solutions, we know little, we must adapt, grow, learn, experiment. i don't want to set up a framework asides from this: we must be run by local councils and the means of production must be owned communally, from there, there is uncertainty and we shall deal with problems with the best solutions only when the problems have presented themselves, at least those people of the future will have all of our theories to look at.

[originofopinion]

But What Type of Communism do we adopt?
Ideology means everything during a revolution.

[bcbm]

But What Type of Communism do we adopt?
Ideology means everything during a revolution.

historically it has been the ideologues who killed the revolutions. let's leave future decisions to future people; we have our own issues to struggle with now.