CONTEMPORARY differences between Marxist-Leninists and Trotskyites?

[Kingpin]

I don't want this to turn into a thread about the past.

I want to know the differences today, both in theory and practice.

Where is each group currently fighting the hardest, and have there been any successful joint-campaigns?

[Zeus the Moose]

I don't want this to turn into a thread about the past.

I want to know the differences today, both in theory and practice.

Where is each group currently fighting the hardest, and have there been any successful joint-campaigns?

Speaking for joint campaigns, most of the successful left-regroupment parties in Europe originally came from combinations of Marxist-Leninist/Maoist, and Trotskyist groups, with the Danish Red-Green Alliance, and the Portuguese Left Bloc being examples. The Red-Green Alliance was originally a joint campaign of the Danish Communist Party, the Left Socialists (representing a "popular socialist" current fairly unique to Scandinavia, but being arguably similar to Eurocommunism), and the Socialist Workers Party (the Danish section of the Fourth International.) Similarly, the Left Bloc was a joint campaign of the People's Democratic Union (which I have heard described as pro-Albania, but is at least Marxist-Leninist), the Revolutionary Socialist Party (the Portuguese section of the Fourth International), and a group called Politics XXI which I don't know that much about.

In Greece, SYRIZA, or the Coalition of the Radical Left, seems to be a somewhat similar development in these terms, though to my knowledge the participation of Trotskyist organisations in SYRIZA is a fairly recent thing.

[4N4RCHY]

In before thread becomes about the past.

[Die Neue Zeit]

The Workers Party in New Zealand is an example of a party and not simply alliance that groups together Maoists and Trotskyists.

[RED DAVE]

The differences are being thrashed out endlessly here.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/trot-ml-reconciliation-t129699/index.html

RED DAVE

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

What Red Dave said.

Can this thread now be locked? We don't need two threads in two different areas about this. I'd say Politics is a more apt sub-forum for these clan wars anyway, would be sad to allow such a thread to rear its ugly head in Learning.

[red cat]

What Red Dave said.

Can this thread now be locked? We don't need two threads in two different areas about this. I'd say Politics is a more apt sub-forum for these clan wars anyway, would be sad to allow such a thread to rear its ugly head in Learning.

Instead of locking the thread, let us just stick to posting facts here about the present groups of MLs and Trots working together. No political debates please.

[Luisrah]

Speaking for joint campaigns, most of the successful left-regroupment parties in Europe originally came from combinations of Marxist-Leninist/Maoist, and Trotskyist groups, with the Danish Red-Green Alliance, and the Portuguese Left Bloc being examples. The Red-Green Alliance was originally a joint campaign of the Danish Communist Party, the Left Socialists (representing a "popular socialist" current fairly unique to Scandinavia, but being arguably similar to Eurocommunism), and the Socialist Workers Party (the Danish section of the Fourth International.) Similarly, the Left Bloc was a joint campaign of the People's Democratic Union (which I have heard described as pro-Albania, but is at least Marxist-Leninist), the Revolutionary Socialist Party (the Portuguese section of the Fourth International), and a group called Politics XXI which I don't know that much about.

In Greece, SYRIZA, or the Coalition of the Radical Left, seems to be a somewhat similar development in these terms, though to my knowledge the participation of Trotskyist organisations in SYRIZA is a fairly recent thing.

Don't get too hopeful on the Left Bloc in Portugal.

I don't know what the heck that is anymore. In Portugal there is a Communist Party (ML) and the Left Bloc.
Sometimes they defend the same things, but rarely do you see the Left Bloc talking about the exploited workers, capitalism and I never heard them talk about socialism or communism.

They look more like armchair ''revolutionaires'', or hippies.
Their deputee (is that how you say it) for the European Parliament was the one who made less work to show in the Portuguese parliament.
They can probably join our cause when necessary, but they don't look revolutionary to me.

[Marxist Idealist]

I don't want this to turn into a thread about the past.

I want to know the differences today, both in theory and practice.

Where is each group currently fighting the hardest, and have there been any successful joint-campaigns?

Trotsky told Stalin that he was not doing what Marx wanted.Trotsky in my opinion stayed true to the Marx legacy and didn't stay away from Communism and Socialism like Mao and Stalin did. Therefore, Trotskyism should be the primary ideology we should follow as Socialists.

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Trotsky told Stalin that he was not doing what Marx wanted.Trotsky in my opinion stayed true to the Marx legacy and didn't stay away from Communism and Socialism like Mao and Stalin did. Therefore, Trotskyism should be the primary ideology we should follow as Socialists.

Somebody didn't follow the instructions. :rolleyes:

[Robocommie]

Somebody didn't follow the instructions. :rolleyes:

His first post, too!

[RED DAVE]

With regard to the US, I would like to see a discussion of contemporary trade union work by both tendencies. My impression (bad word) is that the Trotskyist groups, small and fragmented though they are, are much more involved in this kind of work, directly with the working class, than the Maoists are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, give counter-examples, confirm what I've said, please.

RED DAVE

[Marxist Idealist]

His first post, too!

I admit I didn't follow directions, but instead of criticizing me for simply learning we need to get along and work together to stop Capitalism. Do you agree?

[RED DAVE]

I admit I didn't follow directions, but instead of criticizing me for simply learning we need to get along and work together to stop Capitalism. Do you agree?Whoa, Comrade. Take a deep breath; count to 10; or whatever you do to chill out.

Please read over the OP and the other posts, and then respond within the thread. If you want to discuss cooperation between tendencies, try to give some concrete examples or put forth some principles on which this can be done.

And welcome to RevLeft. :D

RED DAVE

[Marxist Idealist]

Whoa, Comrade. Take a deep breath; count to 10; or whatever you do to chill out.

Please read over the OP and the other posts, and then respond within the thread. If you want to discuss cooperation between tendencies, try to give some concrete examples or put forth some principles on which this can be done.

And welcome to RevLeft. :D

RED DAVE

I wasn't angry. I was simply saying and thank you for the advice, Comrade, it means a lot.