No recession for the well to do...

[RadioRaheem84]

I am wondering if the media likes to rub this in our face or something. According to this article, the recession barley made a scratch on people making over 150-200k and up. It admits that the people suffering are the ones at the bottom. I don't understand how people put up with a system that puts the demands of the well to do at the top over the workers.

http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109050/two-job-markets-worlds-apart?mod=career-salary_negotiation

[Klaatu]

It's the Conservative-controlled media. For example, the people over at Fox News have millions of viewers
convinced that the core problem is the government. Not true! The only mistake the government has made
is to neglect to rein in and regulate the capitalist, the prime agent of organized crime, and oppressor of all.

[Wolf Larson]

It's the Conservative-controlled media. For example, the people over at Fox News have millions of viewers
convinced that the core problem is the government. Not true! The only mistake the government has made
is to neglect to rein in and regulate the capitalist, the prime agent of organized crime, and oppressor of all.

Liberal mind frame^ [not trying to insult you] . Of course the problem is the government. The US government and the American revolution in general had been set up and facilitated so as to create conditions ripe for capitalism. Do you think it a coincidence Adam Smith published Wealth Of Nations in 1776? The entire nation/government was set up to legitimize, protect and expand private property [capitalism]. My point is- the state has always been and will always be the capitalists weapon- not ours- not unless we completely take it over in a revolution. Capitalists aren't going to let themselves be voted out of power. Incremental parliamentary socialism will only end up in fascism. Fuck John Maynard Keynes.

[Klaatu]

"...unless we completely take it over in a revolution."

Never happen, because there are many, many more of them, than there are of us.
My "revolution" would be a revolution of education. Start by deprogramming all
of the misled neocons in the middle class and poverty class. Yes, it can be done.


"Incremental parliamentary socialism will only end up in fascism."

Not necessarily. Fascism is usually the resultant outcome of an ignorant electorate.
An informed voter is a sensible voter. My argument is that, if people really knew
what damage the wealthy capitalist is doing to them, they would turn against him.
This is where we come in: Disprove the notion that capitalism is a sound system.
That would be a start.

[manic expression]

I am wondering if the media likes to rub this in our face or something. According to this article, the recession barley made a scratch on people making over 150-200k and up.
True, but don't be quick to forget the people who were making over 150-200k before they got fired during the recession. White-collar workers who put their entire lives into a company are getting fired just before their retirement packages kick in, and they're pissed. So many white-collar workers, too, are outraged. If you ask me, we should look at them as potential allies of the revolution.

[CartCollector]

True, but don't be quick to forget the people who were making over 150-200k before they got fired during the recession. White-collar workers who put their entire lives into a company are getting fired just before their retirement packages kick in, and they're pissed. So many white-collar workers, too, are outraged. If you ask me, we should look at them as potential allies of the revolution.Indeed. What defines a proletarian isn't how much they make but how they make it. The proletariat makes its living by selling its labor-power to the bourgeoisie. By this definition, engineers, programmers and accountants are just as proletarian as construction and factory workers.

[Sam Da Communist]

if they believe the problem is the government, then they will change the governement to the other opposition party and favour anarcho-capitalism!:lol:

Cart collecter dont forget Nationalism, you dont want them poor bastards to get our wealth! and everything we have fought for! argh! theres that national question again. I still consider the programmers, accountants, sales men, small businessmen, and even the police as bourgeios. They get caught in that mentality that they need to keep their job and support the rich dont they? they need to be destroyed you reckon?

[RadioRaheem84]

if they believe the problem is the government, then they will change the governement to the other opposition party and favour anarcho-capitalism!:lol:

Cart collecter dont forget Nationalism, you dont want them poor bastards to get our wealth! and everything we have fought for! argh! theres that national question again. I still consider the programmers, accountants, sales men, small businessmen, and even the police as bourgeios. They get caught in that mentality that they need to keep their job and support the rich dont they? they need to be destroyed you reckon?

Middle Manager types and high income workers, in my opinion, fall in with the ranks of the petit-bourgeois sometimes. They adopt their interests and fight to defend their interests all the time. Even though they're just workers for an industry they feel that they've done so much work for the company that they're sort of co-owners with it, even though upper management and the owners never cease to remind them otherwise. They belong to a class of specialized workers whom the owners take in and pamper but still exploit. Many engineers break free and form their own companies though and become petit-bourgeoisie themselves.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Socialism in its current form is failing, mainly due to the people that uphold it.

This, combined with the usual activities of the Capitalists, has combined to a rather limp peoples' reaction to a particularly nasty economic shock for many of us.

[CartCollector]

Middle Manager types and high income workers, in my opinion, fall in with the ranks of the petit-bourgeois sometimes. They adopt their interests and fight to defend their interests all the time. Even though they're just workers for an industry they feel that they've done so much work for the company that they're sort of co-owners with it, even though upper management and the owners never cease to remind them otherwise.

This is true. It's also been true in the past: in the American South two centuries ago, there were field slaves and house slaves, and whenever their master was threatened, he could count on the support of his house slaves. But the fact that the house slaves would side with their master doesn't make them any less slaves.
So yes, there is a division between higher paid and lower paid workers, but they're both workers nonetheless and could conceivably fight together.