Stalin Was A Troll

[4N4RCHY]

... and quite a successful one, at that. Not only did he take complete con-troll of the USSR and successfully troll the big bad wolf of Europe (Nazi Germany), but is currently one of the most con-troll-versial figures of all Communism, and people are still ragging on about whether or not he killed 20 million people (an unrealistic exaggeration, in my opinion), creating an empire all to himself, and causing the Cold War.

In other words, successful troll is successful.

[GracchusBabeuf]

creating an empire all to himself, and causing the Cold WarYes. Stalin was an evil superman who did all that, while eating babies and killing kittens.

[cb9's_unity]

Yes. Stalin was an evil superman who did all that, while eating babies and killing kittens.

Sounds about right.

[Weezer]

Eh Stalin is a pretty cool guy. Calls for purges of fascist homosexuals and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Honggweilo]

In soviet Russia, Troll Stalins you!

[Dimentio]

Hitler was also a troll.

An unsuccessful one...

[Raúl Duke]

:lol:

Maybe in actual Stalinism, you have to troll the bourgeois nations to win.

[red cat]

Stalin received verbal warnings and neg reps from Trotsky and his followers, but Trotsky was suspended and banned instead. :lol:

[Kléber]

Stalin did actually troll Lenin's household and call his wife some rude names on the phone.

[Il Medico]

Eh Stalin is a pretty cool guy. Calls for purges of fascist homosexuals and doesn't afraid of anything.
Are you saying that all homosexuals are fascist and need to be purged? Or do you just fail at sacrasm? I really hope it is the latter.

[Audeamus]

Are you saying that all homosexuals are fascist and need to be purged? Or do you just fail at sacrasm? I really hope it is the latter.

If I am not mistaken, it is actually neither. After the enactment of Article 121 (which prohibited male homosexuality) under Stalin, Soviet propaganda began to equate homosexuality with fascism. So a historical joke.

[Tyrlop]

Are you saying that all homosexuals are fascist and need to be purged? Or do you just fail at sacrasm? I really hope it is the latter.

Someone is not following the party line. the Marxist-Leninist way of life doesn't tolerate blasphemy

[Il Medico]

If I am not mistaken, it is actually neither. After the enactment of Article 121 (which prohibited male homosexuality) under Stalin, Soviet propaganda began to equate homosexuality with fascism. So a historical joke.
The person wrote a sentence saying that Stalin is "a pretty cool guy", right before sighting him purging homosexuals. If it is a joke then it is sarcastic as he is saying the opposite of what he meant. If it is not, well, I am fairly sure that praising a purge of homosexuals is a wee bit against board policy. Either way my original question is still valid, it is either a sarcastic joke (hopefully) or bigotry.

[Audeamus]

The person wrote a sentence saying that Stalin is "a pretty cool guy", right before sighting him purging homosexuals. If it is a joke then it is sarcastic as he is saying the opposite of what he meant. If it is not, well, I am fairly sure that praising a purge of homosexuals is a wee bit against board policy. Either way my original question is still valid, it is either a sarcastic joke (hopefully) or bigotry.

The sentence structure is a meme from 4chan.

i.e. "I think X is a pretty cool guy. Eh X's X and doesn't afraid of anything."

[cb9's_unity]

The person wrote a sentence saying that Stalin is "a pretty cool guy", right before sighting him purging homosexuals. If it is a joke then it is sarcastic as he is saying the opposite of what he meant. If it is not, well, I am fairly sure that praising a purge of homosexuals is a wee bit against board policy. Either way my original question is still valid, it is either a sarcastic joke (hopefully) or bigotry.

Audeamus beat me to the explanation.

I think redvelvet's point was that Stalin wasn't exactly a cool guy.

[Tablo]

Yeah, 99% sure he wasn't serious when he said that.

[LeninBalls]

The person wrote a sentence saying that Stalin is "a pretty cool guy", right before sighting him purging homosexuals. If it is a joke then it is sarcastic as he is saying the opposite of what he meant. If it is not, well, I am fairly sure that praising a purge of homosexuals is a wee bit against board policy. Either way my original question is still valid, it is either a sarcastic joke (hopefully) or bigotry.

It's an internet meme, lad

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pretty_cool_guy

[khad]

If I am not mistaken, it is actually neither. After the enactment of Article 121 (which prohibited male homosexuality) under Stalin, Soviet propaganda began to equate homosexuality with fascism. So a historical joke.
The Spanish Anarchists equated homosexuality and fascism as well and there was a lot of gay-baiting in the propaganda of the period. Funny how no one bothers to joke about them.

[Audeamus]

Quite right, I recall there being an article in a Spanish Anarchist journal sometime in the 30's that asserted that anarchists should not associate with homosexuals in any way.

[Kléber]

Did CNT/FAI homophobia precede that organization's capitulation to the Popular Front?

[GracchusBabeuf]

Here is Stalin trolling the imperialists:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4783/339594265978e5b59a42.jpg

[Durruti's Ghost]

Did CNT/FAI homophobia precede that organization's capitulation to the Popular Front?

The article to which Audeamus refers appeared in 1935.

[Raúl Duke]

The most far-left back than equated homosexuality with fascism...
over time we've learn better; I find it funny that Stalinists have to bring up some CNT/FAI thing when the Soviet ban on homosexuality is only being mentioned (i.e. not being used to argue against Stalin in any way per se. In fact, I see no reason why to react badly to this thread...I mean Stalin was a bad-ass troll who pwned the Nazis).

[Chambered Word]

The most far-left back than equated homosexuality with fascism...
over time we've learn better; I find it funny that Stalinists have to bring up some CNT/FAI thing when the Soviet ban on homosexuality is only being mentioned (i.e. not being used to argue against Stalin in any way per se. In fact, I see no reason why to react badly to this thread...I mean Stalin was a bad-ass troll who pwned the Nazis).

The 'time period' excuse is hardly valid for Stalin. Lenin himself legalized homosexuality years before Stalin came to power.

[khad]

The 'time period' excuse is hardly valid for Stalin. Lenin himself legalized homosexuality years before Stalin came to power.
Wrong. Lenin legalized homosexuality only in Russia. In the other republics, communist parties moved to criminalize homosexuality with the tacit support of the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks simply saw little reason to oppose such laws because they were perceived as being directed towards slave traders and upper class pederasts, who were notorious in places like Central Asia. Bacha Bazi, anyone? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/afghan-pedophile-soldiers-t129971/index.html)

[Chambered Word]

I'm going to do more reading on this, although I'm not sure how this disproves my argument (if it was even intended to, that is).

[khad]

I'm going to do more reading on this, although I'm not sure how this disproves my argument (if it was even intended to, that is).
The Bolsheviks' support on homosexual rights even in Lenin's time was conditional. Don't make them out to be the heroes of gay liberation--they too were trapped in their time.

[Tablo]

I think it is important to recognize that in the past people have held backwards views. This is why we refer to such views as backwards in the first place. We can recognize the positive contributions of their ideas and still criticize their failings. There is nothing wrong with that.

I can criticize pretty much everything Stalin did though, lol. :D

[Kléber]

Well, one way or another, what most would now consider to be landmark legal gains for women and LGBT won in 1917 (how widely they were implemented and how much they actually helped working class members of those communities is still being debated) like abortion, decriminalization of homosexuality etc. were rolled back in the 1930's. Chicherin, whose homosexuality was an open secret, was the second commissar for foreign affairs, from 1918-28. His replacement, Litvinov, was eventually relieved because his Jewish background made him unsuitable for Molotov-Ribbentrop.

[Tablo]

Well, one way or another, what most would now consider to be landmark legal gains for women and LGBT won in 1917 (how widely they were implemented and how much they actually helped working class members of those communities is still being debated) like abortion, decriminalization of homosexuality etc. were rolled back in the 1930's. Chicherin, whose homosexuality was an open secret, was the second commissar for foreign affairs, from 1918-28. His replacement, Litvinov, was eventually relieved because his Jewish background made him unsuitable for Molotov-Ribbentrop.
I completely understand. Please don't think i am trying to excuse such disgusting views. We should all recognize they were wrong, but recognize some views held back then are still applicable today. I am definately NOT defending Stalin as I see pretty much everything he did as wrong.

[Stand Your Ground]

Stalin received verbal warnings and neg reps from Trotsky and his followers, but Trotsky was suspended and banned instead. :lol:
Nice lol.

[Kléber]

Stalin received verbal warnings and neg reps from Trotsky and his followers, but Trotsky was suspended and banned instead. :lol:
Hmm, at the 17th Congress of the CPSU in 1934, Stalin received 292 negative votes (the most of any CC candidate) while Kirov got only 3 neg votes (the least)... probably because Kirov had publicly opposed Stalin's demand to execute Ryutin and other dissidents. Shortly after, Kirov was mysteriously assassinated; Kuybyshev died of a heart attack days after calling for an investigation. Kirov's death was then blamed on the oppositionists whose lives he had defended, as part of a supposed assassination by the Nazi-British-Zinovievite-Trotsky-Military-Terrorist-Centre. As for the 17th Congress ("of the Condemned"), which had given Stalin so many negreps, about half the delegates and 70% of its CC were executed within a few years.

[GracchusBabeuf]

Shortly after, Kirov was mysteriously assassinated:lol::lol::lol: sounds like a mystery for Leon "Sherlock" Trotsky

[Kléber]

If Trotsky was such a buffoon, and Soviet socialism so successful, why was it necessary to kill 2/3 of the 17th Congress and assassinate the Fourth International leaders?

[GracchusBabeuf]

If Trotsky was such a buffoon, and Soviet socialism so successful, why was it necessary to kill 2/3 of the 17th Congress and assassinate the Fourth International leaders?So that Trotskyists can ***** about it for the next 50 years.

[Weezer]

Are you saying that all homosexuals are fascist and need to be purged? Or do you just fail at sacrasm? I really hope it is the latter.

You need to catch up with your 4chan-induced internet culture.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pretty_cool_guy (NSFW)

:glare:

Stalinist propaganda, if I recall, claimed homosexuality was a sign of fascism.

[bailey_187]

Hmm, at the 17th Congress of the CPSU in 1934, Stalin received 292 negative votes (the most of any CC candidate) while Kirov got only 3 neg votes (the least)... probably because Kirov had publicly opposed Stalin's demand to execute Ryutin and other dissidents. Shortly after, Kirov was mysteriously assassinated; Kuybyshev died of a heart attack days after calling for an investigation. Kirov's death was then blamed on the oppositionists whose lives he had defended, as part of a supposed assassination by the Nazi-British-Zinovievite-Trotsky-Military-Terrorist-Centre. As for the 17th Congress ("of the Condemned"), which had given Stalin so many negreps, about half the delegates and 70% of its CC were executed within a few years.

Are you suggesting that Stalin had Kirov killed?

[Tifosi]

What you on about, Stalin was a rock star in the band, "The Propagandists"

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/35/73807UAdY_w.jpg

then a worker in a zoo

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/5/50/Croc2_narrowweb_200x41.jpg

All the lies about Stalin:lol::lol::lol:

[Kléber]

Are you suggesting that Stalin had Kirov killed?
No evidence suggesting that has been discovered in the archives, but it would make a lot more sense than the government's explanation, since Kirov had come into conflict with Stalin because he defended the lives of the opposition, yet supposedly, the oppositionists Zinoviev, Kamenev et al., who had as Marxists been opposing individual terrorism since before the year 1900, turned to terrorist methods to kill a man whose death paved the way for their own annihilation.

Also, during Yagoda's trial it was revealed that he kept a secret poison lab. Either that claim was made up like so many other accusations, or the NKVD chief was apparently in the business of assassinations.

[bailey_187]

No evidence suggesting that has been discovered in the archives, but it would make a lot more sense than the government's explanation, since Kirov had come into conflict with Stalin because he defended the lives of the opposition, yet supposedly, the oppositionists Zinoviev, Kamenev et al., who had as Marxists been opposing individual terrorism since before the year 1900, turned to terrorist methods to kill a man whose death paved the way for their own annihilation.

Also, during Yagoda's trial it was revealed that he kept a secret poison lab. Either that claim was made up like so many other accusations, or the NKVD chief was apparently in the business of assassinations.

They found the diary of the assasin recently. There was an article in the NY post or Times about it. It confirmed that he was a lone terrorist.

[Kléber]

Well then, that rules out the Zinoviev-Kamenev-Bukharin-Rykov-Pyatakov-Trotsky-Nazi-Fascist-Military-Conspiracy Center as well.

The diary is probably legit, but it would be easy to fake a personal diary about the "lone gunman" Nikolaev, since there would be nobody with personal knowledge of the man to contradict it: his entire family was executed shortly after him (except for his son, who was not fully rehabilitated until 2005, but who was an infant at the time of his parents' executions), and even the NKVD commissar present at the assassination died when he "fell off a truck" in police custody the next day..

There are still a shitload of unexplained facts about the assassination of Kirov, most of them are outlined on the Kirov wikipedia article. The primary source for the accusations against Stalin and Yagoda is the defector Alexander Orlov, who claimed that Nikolaev was chosen for the job because he had privately expressed the desire to kill Kirov, and the NKVD even released him after he got caught with a loaded revolver in Party offices during his first bungled attempt. Say what you will about Orlov, he was certainly a scoundrel, Trotsky himself denounced the warning about his own coming assassination as a provocation, but we know how that turned out, so clearly Orlov wasn't wrong about everything. This shady affair would also explain why Stalin saw fit to do away with his trusted pharmacist Yagoda. None of the sources from Orlov's book can be confirmed, of course, because practically all the witnesses were purged.