Just a random question

[ilikebacon3000]

Would you consider wrong to beat someone's ass if you saw them wearing a Swastika on a jacket they were wearing, or on a hat, or on a tattoo?

Let's say you were just walking down the street, and you saw a man with his family of 2 kids and a wife smiling and talking while sitting at a bench at a park. He has a large swastika on the back of his jacket, and on his hat, it says "WHITE POWER".
Beat him up? Or not? Even though he is a family man, and seems to be nice, would you consider this to be a malicious act?

[AK]

Would you consider wrong to beat someone's ass if you saw them wearing a Swastika on a jacket they were wearing, or on a hat, or on a tattoo?

Let's say you were just walking down the street, and you saw a man with his family of 2 kids and a wife smiling and talking while sitting at a bench at a park. He has a large swastika on the back of his jacket, and on his hat, it says "WHITE POWER".
Beat him up? Or not? Even though he is a family man, and seems to be nice, would you consider this to be a malicious act?
For the sake of his wife and kids being there I wouldn't. But if it were him alone and you could take him, go for it.

[Crusade]

Personally, yeah I would do it. A tattoo of a swastika is a permanent invitation of hostility simply because it's a projection of hostility. If he wasn't ready to defend his beliefs he should have picked a tattoo of Jesus or Gandhi.

[Jazzratt]

Probably not. I don't like starting fights I don't have to be in. Then again knowing me I'd probably shout all manner of abuse and be in the fight anyway.

[Muzk]

I'd sit down next to him with my much cooler hammer&sickle hoodie :cool:

[Dean]

Probably not. I don't like starting fights I don't have to be in. Then again knowing me I'd probably shout all manner of abuse and be in the fight anyway.

I agree 100% with this. There isn't any reason to start whaling on someone, but that's no reason to keep quiet.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

White supremacists are deluded. Making them feel persecuted for their beliefs isn't going to help anything, in my view. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not going to finish the job, assaulting them isn't very useful. And I'd probably only advocate that in specific contexts such as revolutions and wars.

There is a big difference between violently interrupting a large political protests by supremacists and randomly assaulting people on the streets.

[Red Commissar]

They want you to hit them so they can get the cops on you and make a media fiasco.

[Physicist]

What good comes out of beating him up other than some queer satisfaction in causing pain? I doubt it would change his beliefs; if anything, it would probably reinforce his commitment to white supremacy by feeding into the "victim" mentality virtually all of us possess. I also think it's teeting on hypocrisy as there are millions of people who are quite open about their homophobia, opposition to reproductive freedoms, racism, and so on. Save your energy for the racists who apply their ideology to physically harming another person.

[Eude]

Rarely, if ever, are you going to convince someone to change their mind on white power by beating them up.

Rarely, if ever, are you going to convince someone to change their mind on the nature of capitalism by beating them up.

The fact that he's a 'family man' has nothing to do with it.

The fact that you're a communist and not a thug should.

[mollymae]

On public property, no, I don't think that would be very appropriate. On your private property, sure.

[worldrambler]

No. I would probably walk up to him and start a conversation that would get increasingly hostile. That's just the way I am. I would leave before it got violent.

[MortyMingledon]

Beating someone up just for something they are wearing, or the political views they represent, is something their ideology would probably permit, but mine doesn't. By randomly attacking him I would slightly loosen my grip on my own ideology just because of the hate of another ideology. Of course as soon as they actually begin harming people it is a whole other matter.

[MortyMingledon]

On public property, no, I don't think that would be very appropriate. On your private property, sure.

Funny you should say this on a forum mostly devoted to abolishing private property...

Property is theft ring a bell?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

No especially since his wife and kids are there.

[Tifosi]

Well if he has his kids with him tell them that their dad is a fucking idiot, in the long run this may be better than breaking this guys face. If somebody else started on him I woundn't stop them, that's for surehttp://www.thehuddleboard.com/hb/images/smilies/baws.gif


There is a big difference between violently interrupting a large political protests by supremacists and randomly assaulting people on the streets.

This is a very important thing to remember, good advice:thumbup1:


I doubt it would change his beliefs; if anything, it would probably reinforce his commitment to white supremacy by feeding into the "victim" mentality virtually all of us possess

It may also put the idea into his kids heads, if it isn't in their heads already.

[which doctor]

Of course not.

Considering what most neo-nazi's look like, I'd probably get my ass kicked, but going around and picking fights with guys with swastika's on their jackets is not a leftist action. The enemy of the radical left is not the extreme right, but it is capitalism. Of course fascism is a really terrible thing, and its spectre still looms in the background, but fringe, lunatical, groups like neo-nazis do not represent an actual fascist threat.

[gorillafuck]

I wouldn't fight him, no. It wouldn't help anything if I won the fight, and fighting risks getting the shit kicked out of me. And I dislike fighting so I prefer not to do it anyway, especially for pointless reasons as this. I'd probably make a remark to him though telling him that his hatred isn't wanted, though.

[counterblast]

For the sake of his wife and kids being there I wouldn't. But if it were him alone and you could take him, go for it.

:rolleyes: What do women and children have to do with anything?

[gorillafuck]

:rolleyes: What do women and children have to do with anything?
Children would have something to do with it because seeing your father getting beaten up when you're a small child might have a lasting impact on you psychologically.

[Jazzratt]

Children would have something to do with it because seeing your father getting beaten up when you're a small child might have a lasting impact on you psychologically.

So would having a nazi twat for a dad, to be fair.

[mikelepore]

If they don't have freedom of expression, then you don't have freedom of expression either. By definition, the right to express ideas has to be completely independent of the content of those ideas.

[PHUNX]

If they don't have freedom of expression, then you don't have freedom of expression either. By definition, the right to express ideas has to be completely independent of the content of those ideas.


"freedom of expression" even if there idea is to get rid of such a concept?
how can you tolerate intolerance :confused:

[MortyMingledon]

"freedom of expression" even if there idea is to get rid of such a concept?
how can you tolerate intolerance

There's a difference between someone believing that freedom of speech should be banned and someone actually banning it. When someone believes it, it doesn't hurt anyone, so it should be tolerated. Only when they begin to impose their beliefs on others can you rebel whithout betraying your own ideology.

[PHUNX]

There's a difference between someone believing that freedom of speech should be banned and someone actually banning it. When someone believes it, it doesn't hurt anyone, so it should be tolerated. Only when they begin to impose their beliefs on others can you rebel whithout betraying your own ideology.

Thats all well and good but the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".

[Timebomb]

I would walk up the family ask the man who the woman was and when he replied my wife i would break into tears and scream you said you loved my then i'd run off leaving him to deal with it.
That way i don't get locked up or beat up.