Nazi Scum Widnes, Merseyside! Help Needed! Urgent!

[YoungScouseRed]

Okay ive found a right horrible bunch practically on my doorstep, i dont know what to do :crying: Ive seen a few of the unsavoury charachters floating about but i never imagined they were organised:( What action, within the law can i take as a anti-fascist?

This is there blog widnesfront(dot)blogspot(dot)com

Ive found a few links concerning there behaviour but cannot post it due to forum settings

[Sasha]

ahh, another pathetic attempt to copy, the already very pathetic, mainland autonomus nationalism.

anyway, some things you can do are:
research, spread awarness, organise counter actions, bash their brains in (that last one might not be entirly "within the law" :D) etc etc.

i would advise you to get into contact with the nearest experienced anti-fascist activists:
http://www.antifa.org.uk/cont.htm

[YoungScouseRed]

Okay thanks for the advise, im on my own here and im only young. I need to get recruiting, this bunch WILL NOT operate in my area!

WidnesFront you may be strong in numbers but i am strong in ideology!

[Sasha]

seems your not on your own after all:
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/
http://merseycarf.blogspot.com/

get in contact, and good luck.

[Redaction]

I have also seen these people as well, Im not sure if they were this exact group. They are between the ages of 18-30(Roughly) They problem is though as I am a "lone wolf" There is nothing I can do about them.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I have also seen these people as well, Im not sure if they were this exact group. They are between the ages of 18-30(Roughly) They problem is though as I am a "lone wolf" There is nothing I can do about them.

Print and post communist propaganda in the neighbourhood.

[YoungScouseRed]

But what if they attack me? x

[Redaction]

Print and post communist propaganda in the neighbourhood.
Do you have any good resources?

[PHUNX]

WidnesFront i must be dyslectic looking at the website for a second i thought is said mindless front

[YoungScouseRed]

Ive just looked at the site, they held a meeting in Liverpool city centre? How can this be happening?????:(

[Sasha]

for nazi's 4 people having a pint in an rundown pub is already a succesfull meeting...

[dty06]

Nazis won't attack in public unless they're provoked or they have had past problems with you.

One great tool for "lone wolves" like yourself is photography. Take their pictures if you can. Or find their pictures online. Nazis LOVE posting themselves with their SS tattoos and in their SS uniforms. Especially when posing with guns. See if you can find their pictures and hang em on every light post in their areas. That'll scare the hell out of em, trust me. Nothing is worse for a Nazi than to be outed to their neighbors, because suddenly they're not safe at home.

Nazis have moved out (both from their homes and from their cities) because of continued harassment from our side.

And if you're by yourself, they'll never suspect you, unless they catch you putting em up. So do it at like 2 am if you can and you should be fine.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Do you have any good resources?

google image search "anti-fascist" "communist propaganda" etc.

great examples include:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2737400621_732fe76f2d.jpg
http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/anti-fascist.jpg

[Die Rote Fahne]

Remember that you may have to edit. some pics and add your own slogans.

For example. One has Russian at the bottom. Edit that Russian out and in English text put something like "Workers of all races unite!"

[Kléber]

Instead of just encouraging bitterness and violence, I think UK comrades should try to split the fascist rank and file from their leaders, by exposing their crooked reactionary ideas, and presenting a better alternative to Labour. The BNP has profited from the failures of New Labour because socialists were not organized enough to take advantage of it, the fascists presented a more visible "alternative" to many disillusioned working-class voters and youth. Anti-fascist unity is needed and we have to form networks for self defense, but we should not forget that fascism always grows on the failures of the left; the best defense against these reactionary thugs is an offensive against the entire capitalist class.

[Sasha]

trashed some offtopic and stupid posts.

Verbal warning to danny bohy for inciting illegal violence/keyboardwarriorism ;-)

[YKTMX]

Okay ive found a right horrible bunch practically on my doorstep, i dont know what to do :crying: Ive seen a few of the unsavoury charachters floating about but i never imagined they were organised:( What action, within the law can i take as a anti-fascist?

This is there blog widnesfront(dot)blogspot(dot)com

Ive found a few links concerning there behaviour but cannot post it due to forum settings

Get in touch with your local branch of Unite Against Fascism and you'll get resources and assistance in organizing a local response, I'm sure.

[Fidel Follower]

Get in touch with your local branch of Unite Against Fascism and you'll get resources and assistance in organizing a local response, I'm sure.

What are the UAF going to do, say things in a slightly raised voice?

[Timebomb]

Join them,find out all you can then put it all in leaflets for their neighbors.
For those who have racism as a part time wannabe hard man hobby they might think again when their mums find out.
If you did smash em up they could use it for recruitment.
Also once you've befriended them you may be able to talk them round,yes a long shot but they do identify them self by class as well as race.

[scousechez]

I hope im not off topic but I would like some advice. my concern is that there are groups of people who dress in SS uniforms carry rifles smgs and sing SS songs and some members of the public may even be paying to see them without knowing.
who are these people? RE-ENACTORS!
These groups pick a paticular ss unit and try and make themselves as authentic as possible, they attend various events around the country in uniform under the pretence of 'educating' people- the trouble is they try and pass themselves off as normal soldiers and shy away from the fact the whole ss was declared illegal by the nuremburg war trials with only one unit not charged for atrocitities.
I would like it made illegal for anyone to wear such ss uniforms and the fact they are allowed near children is disgraceful.
these 'units' are growing throught the uk and are huge in the us how can we stop them?:(

[breadandwater]

I suggest at some point learning some muay thai or boxing, as a START. Most training centers will let you go in for free once or twice before they ask you to pay. Maybe learn some grappling or take downs and other street fighting self-defense.

Seriously, basic boxing techniques goes a looong way. Fighting is almost all technique. I hope you don't have to defend yourself but we are dealing with fascists so we should expect the worst. It's all a part of it.

[S.Artesian]

Join them,find out all you can then put it all in leaflets for their neighbors.
For those who have racism as a part time wannabe hard man hobby they might think again when their mums find out.
If you did smash em up they could use it for recruitment.
Also once you've befriended them you may be able to talk them round,yes a long shot but they do identify them self by class as well as race.

I suggest caution before any "infiltration" like that suggested. Very, very risky, with little reward, if any, when working on your own-- you are much more likely to expose yourself, or be exposed... and these are thugs remember.

You want to establish a collective opposition to them as a social force... that means we don't care what their mothers think about them, we want everybody else and his/her mother to confront them at every turn.

[The Grey Blur]

Don't listen to any of idiots telling you to put up communist stickers in your area. Or get in contact with UAF (unless you want to have a cup of tea with the vicar).

Join a socialist organisation, organise against fascism on a class-based outlook - groups like the EDL & BNP get support from disaffected workers, the old social bases of fascism are gone. Get in touch with an independent anti-fascist group and employ political arguments as well as physical protest.

[<Insert Username Here>]

Don't listen to any of idiots telling you to put up communist stickers in your area. Or get in contact with UAF (unless you want to have a cup of tea with the vicar).

Join a socialist organisation, organise against fascism on a class-based outlook - groups like the EDL & BNP get support from disaffected workers, the old social bases of fascism are gone. Get in touch with an independent anti-fascist group and employ political arguments as well as physical protest.

What are UAF going to do? Say things in a slightly raised voice?

This is the answer to your problem (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

EDIT: Antifa appears to be down, should be up in a bit.

[Boru]

Political arguments?
You seriously think that if people listened to political arguments, apathy or acceptance of these things would be a problem?

Sure, it won't hurt to use political and other indirect means to halt the bastards, but nothing says "get the fuck out of my neighbourhood" like direct action.