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Crux
6th March 2010, 14:59
A general strike, of public and private workers is now likely on 11 March, marking the third general strike in almost as many weeks.
The mood of the Greek working class is angry and explosive and an ‘uprising’ of workers is possible. Many thousands of workers responded to a call by SYRIZA (a broad coalition of the left), the KKE (Greek Communist Party) and public sector union federation ADEDY, on 4 March, and demonstrated outside parliament buildings in Athens against the austerity bill which was due to be voted on.
However the approach of the union leaders appears to be to allow workers to ‘let off steam’, without providing them with a concrete alternative to the government’s attacks.
In a television interview, the general secretary of the KKE, which leads one of the main union federations, was asked three times by the interviewer to give an alternative to the cuts announced by the Pasok government. The KKE spokesperson failed to do so, other than to talk in general and vague terms about the need for an “alternative economy”.
Supporters of Xekinima (CWI Greece) put forward a class analysis of what is taking place in Greece, and also socialist policies to stop the cuts and to transform the living conditions of working class people.
Below are excerpts from a press statement released by Xekinima, on March 3, hours after the new vicious anti-working class package was announced, condemning the latest round of cuts and calling for bold leadership by the unions and Left in Greece and across Europe.
Socialistworld.net

‘Reasons for workers’ rebellion!’

Public and sector workers hold 5 March strike following 4.8bn euros more cuts
Xekinima (CWI Greece) Press Statement

http://www.socialistworld.net/pics/2010/03/0501/pic01.jpegGeneralstrike, 24 February 2009

‘Reasons for a workers’ rebellion!’

The measures that Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou announced today [March 3] represent a "cause for rebellion" on the part of workers to oppose the policies of the Pasok government and bankers – Greek and international – which are now in the process of making the greatest attacks against working class people in Greece in the post-war period, against our standard of living and our rights.
The government has announced plans to, in effect, cut 2-3 months wages from public sector workers; to increase VAT from 19% to 21%; to impose indirect taxes on items of mass consumption, such as cigarettes, alcohol and fuel and to cut 12% of state sector workers’ benefits [‘benefits’ in their vast majority provided as a compensation for low wages].
These measures amount to 4.8bn euros worth of cuts. The government says these cuts are necessary and cannot be made any other way yet…This figure amounts to less than the court fine imposed on a Greek stock exchange company, ‘Acropolis’, of 5.5bn euros, due to this company’s robbery of pension funds in 2007. It is also less than the 8bn euros worth of annual evasion by big business by not paying towards pension insurance for their workers.
Not accidentally, the first public person to welcome these savage cuts was the former hated right wing prime minister, Mitsotakis (1990-1993), followed by the president of the Greek industrialists’ organization, and by the leader of a far-right party!
http://www.socialistworld.net/pics/2010/03/0501/pic02.jpegGeneralstrike, 17 December 2009

All the measures announced by Prime Minister Papandreou will be neither temporary nor the end of the story. More is to come. Government spokespeople and the media claim these measures will take the economy “out of recession completely”. These are lies! These policies will only further deepen the recession in Greece. The economy is estimated to fall by -5% of GDP in the course of this year (2010), as a result of these policies.
The big capitalists and the so called "socialist" government have shown its real intentions. It is time now for the working class and youth to fight back! We need an immediate call for a 48 hour general strike! Up to this stage, the public sector union federation, ADEDY, has called a general strike of the public sector workers for 16 March. This is not enough! We must develop a long strike wave, including mass demonstrations and workplace and government building occupations, and also workers’ occupation of the TV and radio stations which are spreading only government propaganda.
We must prepare for a 48-hour general strike. Youth, small farmers, shop keepers and other small business people, must also be involved in mass actions. It is important that students in schools and universities hold occupations and that small farmers blockade national roads. A plan of general strikes - not just one more - is needed to force the Pasok government and reactionary bureaucrats in Brussels to back down.
At the same time, there needs to be all-Europe mobilisation and co-ordination of mass workers’ action, of strikes against EU policies, linked to the struggle of Greek workers. The struggles of Greek workers in Athens, Salonika and other cities, will to a large extent determine the ferocity of attacks on the rest of the working class throughout Europe. If the Greek bosses can get away with it, the bosses throughout the EU will act likewise.
Left parties and trade unions in Greece, and at an all-European level, must take urgent initiatives to mobilise mass workers’ action to resist these attacks. Either the Greek government and big capital will be defeated in the streets of Greece by workers’ action or the working class will face unparalleled attacks. We should not pay for the crisis they caused nor should we pay for the deficits and debts they created!
We demand:



Nationalise the banks and stock exchange companies, under workers’ and social control and management
Drastic tax hikes on profits, on big land ownerships and on the huge Orthodox Church estates
Drastic cuts in arms expenditure
Stop national debt repayments to Greek and overseas big banks

We call for an end to international market’ speculation and the scandal of the robber-banks - Greek and international - that are making huge profits out of tax payers (The state bailed out the Greek banks with 28bn euros, at zero interest rates, just to have the banks ‘lend’ those funds back to the government at 6-7% interest rates!).
This year, and for the next few years, 50bn euros will be repaid to the robber-banks-speculators, per annum, while the government spends just over 10bn euros each year on education and health combined!
Are we to bleed for their profits? No! They should bleed this time!
[Issued by Xekinima (CWI Greece) 3 March 2010]

Delenda Carthago
8th March 2010, 00:30
A Xekinima's supporter from SWEDEN????

They are like...10 here in Greece!

Crux
8th March 2010, 01:40
A Xekinima's supporter from SWEDEN????

They are like...10 here in Greece!
No, quite a few more than that, comrade. I think about 700, if I don't misremember.

We're in the same international organization, the CWI.

Delenda Carthago
8th March 2010, 18:34
First of all,they never had a block in a demo with more than 150 people.Even in their summer camps(which they are most known for)they are never more than 500-with other leftists joining.

Anyway,my point was that I was suprised that someone knew them from across the Europe,because you can easily find an anarchist or a leftist here in Greece that doesnt know them!

vyborg
8th March 2010, 19:09
No, quite a few more than that, comrade. I think about 700, if I don't misremember.

We're in the same international organization, the CWI.

700 comrades in a small country like greece is a lot...with such a membership you should have a weekly paper of at least 5-6.000 circulation and going to take over the youth of siriza

FSL
8th March 2010, 19:31
First of all,they never had a block in a demo with more than 150 people.Even in their summer camps(which they are most known for)they are never more than 500-with other leftists joining.

Anyway,my point was that I was suprised that someone knew them from across the Europe,because you can easily find an anarchist or a leftist here in Greece that doesnt know them!


Pretty much every trotskyist party is the local "representative" of one of the trotskyist interntationals (and there are many). Xekinima is a part of CWI.
For example there was a group called Marxismos or something that is the local branch of IMT (another trotskyist international). It has now liquidated itself in Synaspismos. I doubt there are more than a dozen of them in Greece but IMT is bigger in other countries.

Jolly Red Giant
8th March 2010, 21:54
For example there was a group called Marxismos or something that is the local branch of IMT (another trotskyist international). It has now liquidated itself in Synaspismos. I doubt there are more than a dozen of them in Greece but IMT is bigger in other countries.
Interesting one for the IMT crisis thread - Greece was one of the areas where the IMT took the majority of the organisation when it split from the CWI - surprising they were down to a dozen.

Jammer
8th March 2010, 22:40
First of all,they never had a block in a demo with more than 150 people.Even in their summer camps(which they are most known for)they are never more than 500-with other leftists joining.

Anyway,my point was that I was suprised that someone knew them from across the Europe,because you can easily find an anarchist or a leftist here in Greece that doesnt know them!

It's not generally the method of the CWI to consolidate our forces on a demo into a single large bloc. We prefer to have a token presence and the majority to move about discussing individually with demonstrators.

Crux
8th March 2010, 22:43
700 comrades in a small country like greece is a lot...with such a membership you should have a weekly paper of at least 5-6.000 circulation and going to take over the youth of siriza
Well, we are making serious progress in that direction, we're the only organized group inside the "second wave" which is mostly young members, not affiliated to any of the groups, that stand in opposition to the right-wing of SYRIZA. I am not sure if the paper is a weekly, but I do know we also run a rather successful student paper as well, and have had some success in the student unions. It's been a while since I heard a report from greece, but they do seem to be doing very well.

Oh yeah, just remembered I think someone from the USFI said that one of greek USFI symp. groups also work with the second wave, so that would be us and them as the only organizations involved in that.

Delenda Carthago
9th March 2010, 03:40
Well, we are making serious progress in that direction, we're the only organized group inside the "second wave" which is mostly young members, not affiliated to any of the groups, that stand in opposition to the right-wing of SYRIZA. I am not sure if the paper is a weekly, but I do know we also run a rather successful student paper as well, and have had some success in the student unions. It's been a while since I heard a report from greece, but they do seem to be doing very well.

Oh yeah, just remembered I think someone from the USFI said that one of greek USFI symp. groups also work with the second wave, so that would be us and them as the only organizations involved in that.

I dont want to disapoint you friend,but the day Xekinima's youth will take over SYRIZA will be the day that moon will be covered with chocolate.

Crux
9th March 2010, 04:05
Will there be a sea of lemonade as well? We don't ask for much, just the world. :D We've had great breakthrough's before, I am confident more will come.

vyborg
9th March 2010, 07:36
Interesting one for the IMT crisis thread - Greece was one of the areas where the IMT took the majority of the organisation when it split from the CWI - surprising they were down to a dozen.

Quite the contrary. Greece was all for Taaffee even if they won the congress with un-marxist method. But, once again, this is a minor point.

Anyway 700 people in Siriza is a bit optimistic I'm afraid. With 100 people we took over the LYPS in the 70s...with 500 votes we took 25% of the Rifondazione youth organization last month...

Saorsa
9th March 2010, 11:16
I dont want to disapoint you friend,but the day Xekinima's youth will take over SYRIZA will be the day that moon will be covered with chocolate.

:O

I'm sending money to Xekinima!

vyborg
9th March 2010, 11:20
As I understand it, now more or less all are inside Syriza (Koe is a split of the KKE, mandelite, Cwi, Imt, maybe IS?) but the PO members (EEK) and maybe ML groups.

Jolly Red Giant
9th March 2010, 11:24
won the congress with un-marxist method.
I got it - Woods good - Taaffe bad :rolleyes:


I dont want to disapoint you friend,but the day Xekinima's youth will take over SYRIZA will be the day that moon will be covered with chocolate.

With 100 people we took over the LYPS in the 70s...with 500 votes we took 25% of the Rifondazione youth organization last month...
What makes any one think that Xekinima wants to 'take-over' anything. One of the lessons that the CWI learned from the control of the LPYS in Britain and Labour Youth in Ireland was that it is a serious mistake for a Marxist current to have a dominant position in any section of the broader left. Having such a dominant position leads to one of three things (a) the broader left line up with the right to remove the Marxists (as happened in Labour Youth (b) the right wing just shut down any avenue for development (c) the broader left abandon the organisation and leave the Marxists to talk to themselves (or the Marxists wreck the group - as demonstrated by the SWP in the socialist alliance). It is only in a pre-revolutionary/revolutionary situation that winning control of such an organisation plays any real role from Marxists. In the intervening period the important tasks are to argue for marxism among the broader layers, attempt to assist the development of class consciousness and win the best layers to the side of revolution. The role of the Militant on Liverpool City Council in the mid-1980s would be closer to the approach needed now.

From what has been said above it appears that the IMT still believe in winning 'control' of sections of the workers movement during this period - is this the case?

vyborg
9th March 2010, 11:30
I see, so now to win is bad. That's a real breaktrough for marxism.
Before revolution you cannot win but only loose.

I think this is not serious neither useful whatsoever. If marxist ideas spreads until you take control of the youth section of the party so taht you can use it against reformist leadership what's bad in it?

Of course, if you take an unpolitical control of the organization, or you waste your time building it instead of your party (as Ferrando made in the 90s in Rifondazione, for example) it is your mistake not of the entry work.

I think that if most of siriza youth members support marxism this is a very good news

Delenda Carthago
9th March 2010, 12:03
As I understand it, now more or less all are inside Syriza (Koe is a split of the KKE, mandelite, Cwi, Imt, maybe IS?) but the PO members (EEK) and maybe ML groups.

No.There is also a combination party like SYRIZA,but smaller.ANTARSYA,which is like SYRIZA but without the socialdemocrats of SYNASPISMOS.EEK is going solo in elections,together with anarchist space in the strugles.

Jolly Red Giant
9th March 2010, 12:16
I think this is not serious neither useful whatsoever. If marxist ideas spreads until you take control of the youth section of the party so taht you can use it against reformist leadership what's bad in it?

vyborg - you seem to have a real difficulty relating the work of a marxist organisation to the objective political situation and the nature of reformist parties.

If the IMT were to win control of Young Labour how long do you think it would be before the LP leadership would simply shut it down?



I think that if most of siriza youth members support marxism this is a very good news
Of course it is good news - and the class struggle is most definitely on a higher plain than in Britain - but even with this - it would be a mistake for Xekinima or any other Marxist organisation to try and dominate it in the way the Militant dominated the LPYS in the early 1980's. The key task at this point is to assist the development of a mass broad left party for the working class and in the process win the best elements to the banner of marxism.

vyborg
9th March 2010, 13:12
Really? What a news..the more marxists spread their influence the more SD leaders will try to undermine their work...This is absolutely obvious. And this is not only from reformist part. Also the state and capitalists will be interested in our work, that is they will start to send undercover agents, to attack us in the street etc etc. We call it class struggle. If you haven't got an army you don't participate in the struggle. Does it mean it is bad to have an army?

I think definitely not. But to have an army, even a small one, that is to take over the youth of siriza, in this concrete example, is only the first step. they will try to destroy our work, it's obvious, its their political duty. we will defend our ideas and, given the crisis of capitalism, the more they attack us the more we will gain.

marxists are not afraid to fight. quite the contrary! they are made for it!

Crux
9th March 2010, 13:50
No.There is also a combination party like SYRIZA,but smaller.ANTARSYA,which is like SYRIZA but without the socialdemocrats of SYNASPISMOS.EEK is going solo in elections,together with anarchist space in the strugles.
I don't see why ANTARSYA wouldn't join SYRIZA. I think that would be the most progressive step they could take as it would strengthen the left opposition in SYRIZA. Let us drive out the right wing of Synapsismos together.

vyborg
9th March 2010, 14:00
I don't see why ANTARSYA wouldn't join SYRIZA. I think that would be the most progressive step they could take as it would strengthen the left opposition in SYRIZA. Let us drive out the right wing of Synapsismos together.

I absolutely agree, but...wait a minute...if we beat the right wing...we take over siriza and the comrade of the CWI stated this is a mistake, so after we drove out the right wing let's give back siriza to the bureacracy...

Crux
9th March 2010, 14:07
I absolutely agree, but...wait a minute...if we beat the right wing...we take over siriza and the comrade of the CWI stated this is a mistake, so after we drove out the right wing let's give back siriza to the bureacracy...
Hah, no. Beating the synapsismos rightwing will be a relative safeguard against any alliances with PASOK, but it certainly won't be the end of reformism. I think JRG outlined pretty well how you ought to work to win in the long term.

FSL
9th March 2010, 14:10
As I understand it, now more or less all are inside Syriza (Koe is a split of the KKE, mandelite, Cwi, Imt, maybe IS?) but the PO members (EEK) and maybe ML groups.


SWP's local brance and some smaller groups are in Antarsya

FSL
9th March 2010, 14:13
Hah, no. Beating the synapsismos rightwing will be a relative safeguard against any alliances with PASOK, but it certainly won't be the end of reformism. I think JRG outlined pretty well how you ought to work to win in the long term.


Synaspismos' right wing is more than half of Syriza's political support. After kicking them out, it would pretty much be just you again

vyborg
9th March 2010, 14:23
so we drive out the right wing and then we start to fight the centre...anyway we could finish taking the control of the party...why don't we fight, if this is not the aim?
While fighting for it we build our organization...and we also work outside siriza. that's what marxists call entrism in this epoch

Crux
9th March 2010, 15:21
so we drive out the right wing and then we start to fight the centre...anyway we could finish taking the control of the party...why don't we fight, if this is not the aim?
While fighting for it we build our organization...and we also work outside siriza. that's what marxists call entrism in this epoch
Yes, but we must strive to anchor that struggle in much wider layer than just ourselfes. The fate of your own greek section is unfortunate in this respect.

Crux
9th March 2010, 15:24
Synaspismos' right wing is more than half of Syriza's political support. After kicking them out, it would pretty much be just you again
By "kicking them out" I don't mean bureacratically exclude them, but winning the political battle. That is the only safe guard for SYRIZA to grow, actually. As could be learned from italy and multiple other places the line put forward by the right of synapsismos suggesting an alliance with PASOK would be far, far more devastating. I am sure you agree with that, comrade.

vyborg
9th March 2010, 15:25
once again this is ABC. I would say A alone. We must build a united front against the reformist provided that we don't forget to build OUR organization instead of the united front

vyborg
9th March 2010, 15:27
By "kicking them out" I don't mean bureacratically exclude them, but winning the political battle. That is the only safe guard for SYRIZA to grow, actually. As could be learned from italy and multiple other places the line put forward by the right of synapsismos suggesting an alliance with PASOK would be far, far more devastating. I am sure you agree with that, comrade.

well it all depends on what you think "suggesting an alliance" is. Millions of workers voted Pasok against ND. You cannot simply say to them come out from Pasok, you stupid people. You must propose a united front of all workers organization against capitalism, and as Pasok leader will not accept it, you must do this and that etc

FSL
9th March 2010, 15:29
By "kicking them out" I don't mean bureacratically exclude them, but winning the political battle. That is the only safe guard for SYRIZA to grow, actually. As could be learned from italy and multiple other places the line put forward by the right of synapsismos suggesting an alliance with PASOK would be far, far more devastating. I am sure you agree with that, comrade.


So your aim is to make them traitors to their class? Because I can guarantee you, not for one moment do they doubt that what they propose will only be good for capitalists. The thing is they're very much ok with them and their property.

If that's your aim, good luck

FSL
9th March 2010, 15:32
well it all depends on what you think "suggesting an alliance" is. Millions of workers voted Pasok against ND. You cannot simply say to them come out from Pasok, you stupid people. You must propose a united front of all workers organization against capitalism, and as Pasok leader will not accept it, you must do this and that etc

And also millions of workers voted ND against Pasok. You should start by trying to convince the workers that replacing capitalism with socialism is beneficial to them, because right now most would disagree.

Why are some people so polite to "working class parties" like Pasok or Labour at this point in time, I can't tell.

Crux
9th March 2010, 15:32
well it all depends on what you think "suggesting an alliance" is. Millions of workers voted Pasok against ND. You cannot simply say to them come out from Pasok, you stupid people. You must propose a united front of all workers organization against capitalism, and as Pasok leader will not accept it, you must do this and that etc
The current protests against the PASOK government would show that most of those votes were not made with any illusions, but just as a way to punish the hated ND government.

vyborg
9th March 2010, 15:52
The current protests against the PASOK government would show that most of those votes were not made with any illusions, but just as a way to punish the hated ND government.

workers voted en masse Pasok against ND. The pasok government pays them back cutting savagely wages and pensions. This is an explosive situation that could make a revolutionary organization grow by leaps and bounds, provided that marxists do not use ultimatist tone against workers who still have illusions in the reformist leadership

Invigilator
10th March 2010, 17:41
As I understand it, now more or less all are inside Syriza (Koe is a split of the KKE, mandelite, Cwi, Imt, maybe IS?) but the PO members (EEK) and maybe ML groups.

No.

The IST is in ANTARSYA, as is the main Mandelite group.

The IMT grouplet abandoned regular publication of its paper and joined Synaspismos as individual members. It did not join SYRIZA as a group, although that would have been open to it.