Glenn Beck is a closet liberal? maybe?

[The Red Next Door]

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/02/glenn-beck-environmentalist

This guy is crazier than i thought, he might be a self-hating liberal.

[Invincible Summer]

Or multiple personality disorder

[ZombieGrits]

I'm pretty sure he just doesn't know what he's talking about and contradicts himself.

[Red Commissar]

If you check Beck's earlier days in the 1990s, you'll find a lot of things about him that would be unlike what he is now (he seemed more of a centrist then). He just realized he could make more money by catering to right-wing populist nonsense.

[Rusty Shackleford]

if he came out to actually be a communist, he'd be forgiven. maybe.

[RadioRaheem84]

Yeah I remember Beck being less rabidly right wing when he was just a nobody right wing radio host. Then somehow he became the symbol of right wing lunacy in the States. One part of me tells me that this is a huge act by a sociopathic individual or that he stopped taking his meds and veered off into an extreme right wing psychosis or worse yet, BOTH. Either way the person or persons funding this man don't know what they've unleashed.

I mean this guy is like a real Bob Roberts only dumber.

[Sendo]

I take the news like Gramsci did, he was a centrist or center-rightist who just realized that being a right firebrand made more money.

[Robocommie]

I guess it's quite possible that Glenn Beck secretly plays a fictional character, much in the same way that Stephen Colbert plays a character named Stephen Colbert.

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He acts the way he has to act to get ratings. He is an entertainer, not an ideologue, however it may seem. I don’t know what his actual personal views are on things, nor do I care.

[jake williams]

Whatever his personal views are, objectively he's a major spokesperson for a movement which at the edges has fascistic elements. I don't use the term lightly; a man flew a plane into a government building, killing one employee and injuring a dozen more. A lot of people just casually support it. I'm sure right now hundreds of people are passively planning similar things. Whether or not they'll carry it out is to be seen, but it's pretty terrifying, whatever you think of the legitimacy of the grievances behind it.

[Mindtoaster]

Whatever his personal views are, objectively he's a major spokesperson for a movement which at the edges has fascistic elements. I don't use the term lightly; a man flew a plane into a government building, killing one employee and injuring a dozen more.


Stack *was not* a fringe right winger. The guy clearly supported universal healthcare and denounced capitalism, among other things.

Whatever you feel about him, it would be historical revisionism to associate him with the ideology of the tea-bagger fringe

[jake williams]

Stack *was not* a fringe right winger. The guy clearly supported universal healthcare and denounced capitalism, among other things.

Whatever you feel about him, it would be historical revisionism to associate him with the ideology of the tea-bagger fringe
No, it's revisionism to assume that the tea party movement is all a bunch of whacko right wingers. Or, to ignore the fact that a lot of the positive response comes from people who think it's just okay to attack the IRS, and the US federal government anyway. Whatever his personal views, a lot of his supporters are right wing lunatics.

[chegitz guevara]

Stack *was not* a fringe right winger. The guy clearly supported universal healthcare and denounced capitalism, among other things.

Whatever you feel about him, it would be historical revisionism to associate him with the ideology of the tea-bagger fringe

Stack was a deranged loser who used such things to justify his attempted act of mass murder.

[chegitz guevara]

No, it's revisionism to assume that the tea party movement is all a bunch of whacko right wingers. Or, to ignore the fact that a lot of the positive response comes from people who think it's just okay to attack the IRS, and the US federal government anyway. Whatever his personal views, a lot of his supporters are right wing lunatics.

The Nazis contained a strong left-wing element until the storm troopers were crushed in the Night of the Long Knives. Objectively, however, the role that fascists play in society is a right-wing one, regardless of what they themselves believe. Ideologically, fascism is all over the place, and we cannot rely on what they say in order to determine whether they are fascist or not.

[Crux]

The Nazis contained a strong left-wing element until the storm troopers were crushed in the Night of the Long Knives. Objectively, however, the role that fascists play in society is a right-wing one, regardless of what they themselves believe. Ideologically, fascism is all over the place, and we cannot rely on what they say in order to determine whether they are fascist or not.
Well, "left-wing" in as much as they genuinely belived capitalism to be of jewish invent and as such became a threat to nazi accomodation to big bussiness. Volkgemeinschaft is not socialism. But true fascism is ready to use precisely any rhetoric.

[Crux]

Stack was a deranged loser who used such things to justify his attempted act of mass murder.
Hey even the loonies get hit by the crisis.

[Mindtoaster]

No, it's revisionism to assume that the tea party movement is all a bunch of whacko right wingers.

What?

Thats *exactly* what the tea-party movement is. It's a kind of popular front of the right-wing fringe: libertarians, ultra-conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, conspiracy theorists and white nationalists.

Living in the heartland of the movement, knowing scores of their members, and having had to deal with them on multiple occasions, i can promise you that they are indeed ALL right-wing whackos.

I really don't want to derail the discussion, but its dishonest to consider Stack a tea-bagger. The only thing he had in common with them was being an insane petite-bourgeois loser. Politically, he would have been chased out of their movement had he decided to join.

[jake williams]

What?

Thats *exactly* what the tea-party movement is. It's a kind of popular front of the right-wing fringe: libertarians, ultra-conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, conspiracy theorists and white nationalists.

Living in the heartland of the movement, knowing scores of their members, and having had to deal with them on multiple occasions, i can promise you that they are indeed ALL right-wing whackos.

I really don't want to derail the discussion, but its dishonest to consider Stack a tea-bagger. The only thing he had in common with them was being an insane petite-bourgeois loser. Politically, he would have been chased out of their movement had he decided to join.
I don't want to derail the thread either, but I do want to continue the discussion, because I really disagree. Is there an admin who can cut some of this into a new thread?

[RadioRaheem84]

Well, "left-wing" in as much as they genuinely belived capitalism to be of jewish invent and as such became a threat to nazi accomodation to big bussiness. Volkgemeinschaft is not socialism. But true fascism is ready to use precisely any rhetoric.

Agreed. The Nazis had a really strange view of Socialism. I don't know if this was adapted by the Nazi Leadership later on or if they had this outlook the entire time, but the "socialism" of the Nazis was to allow for private industry but for it to be controlled or managed by the state, in the sense that the nation came first before an industrialist's need to maximize profits. They rejected the notion of a hierarchy in the workplace, rejected class struggle in favor of class collaboration, and wanted a corporate federal agency to settle class disputes. It was entirely stupid.