High school history classes for the lul

[Misanthrope]

So I am a freshman and am taking an "honors" history class called change and revolutions. This is what my text book says about feudalism

"Feudalism is a legitimate agreement between two free and equal parties, both benefit from the system equally"

This is what they said was a disadvantage to feudalism..

Barter economy and little patriotism or nationalism :laugh:

[which doctor]

High school and grade school history textbooks are written with the intention of providing a miseducation and it's frequently the case that the teacher's too much of a dolt to realize it. I'm pretty convinced in teaching school they're all trained to say "Well, it's a good idea on paper, but it doesn't work out in real life" in reference to communism. We'll use these books for heating fuel post-revolution.

I advise you supplement your studies with James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_my_teacher_told_me)

[GPDP]

So I am a freshman and am taking an "honors" history class called change and revolutions. This is what my text book says about feudalism

"Feudalism is a legitimate agreement between two free and equal parties, both benefit from the system equally"

This is what they said was a disadvantage to feudalism..

Barter economy and little patriotism or nationalism :laugh:

What the hell. Seriously, even for a high school text book, that's not just misleading, it's flat out wrong.

What's the name of the textbook?

[Misanthrope]

World History: People & Nations. Ancient world edition

Holt, Rinehart and Winston

[AK]

Holt, Rinehart and Winston
And I imagine we'll send those suckers to the gulag.

[Tablo]

I have used their text books before. They are utter shit.

[RHIZOMES]

One I read said the fall of communism was due to Gorbachev "recognizing the suffering of his people".

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Raúl Duke]

So I am a freshman and am taking an "honors" history class called change and revolutions. This is what my text book says about feudalism

"Feudalism is a legitimate agreement between two free and equal parties, both benefit from the system equally"

This is what they said was a disadvantage to feudalism..

Barter economy and little patriotism or nationalism :laugh:

LOL WUT?!?

This, an honors high school text book? You got to be kidding me...
:lol:

I bet among historians the author of that book must be one big fucking joke of a "academic" for writing such shit.

[GPDP]

Interestingly enough, I managed to find a very brief excerpt of the book in question, which coincidentally is all about feudalism:

http://www.wayofthepencil.com/peoplenationsancient.pdf

I couldn't find in that preview what the OP said.

Who knows, though? Maybe the statements are in a later page?

[ZeroNowhere]

High school and grade school history textbooks are written with the intention of providing a miseducation and it's frequently the case that the teacher's too much of a dolt to realize it. I'm pretty convinced in teaching school they're all trained to say "Well, it's a good idea on paper, but it doesn't work out in real life" in reference to communism. We'll use these books for heating fuel post-revolution.

I advise you supplement your studies with James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_my_teacher_told_me)
I am in agreement with this post. Though when it comes to what they should be used for, it depends largely on our productivity and supplies. If we don't have trouble meeting demand for heating fuel, I think it would make sense to reuse the books, except this time containing good literature which is hard to get otherwise (ie. lots of it).

[Comrade B]

Wow.. that is pretty fucking terrible.
Simply bull shit.

I had an AP history class in my Junior year where my teacher essentially had us do outside research assignments for the bit on communism because he thought it was so terrible (one of the few history teachers I liked in high school). This was made up though by the next year where we had a required class essentially teaching us in the first half about how great America is, and its infallible political structure, and in the second half how it was our duty to vote for the Democrats or Republicans, and we had to memorize a list of 'differences' of the two parties (from a republican's perspective at that, i.e. Small government, Big government)

[Tablo]

My sister is taking an AP history history class and her teacher places a MAJOR focus on the American labor movement. At one point the teacher mentioned Communism in a negative light and my sister spoke up. My sister simply said that was an inaccurate depiction of Communism and the teacher explained that she was simply basing it on the American definition of Communism(which is essentially Stalinism with inflated statistics) and not the actual ideology. She said that the ideology is actually a very positive thing.

I was pleased to hear about this. I plan on getting a major in education and influencing youth with the left wing perspective as much as possible without getting fired.

[cb9's_unity]

I once had a substitute teacher who told us he was 'the socialist voice in his union". Upon further inspection the guy was pretty clearly a social democrat, but even so the fact that he advocated even the word socialism meant I still loved the guy.

I also had a teacher tell me that communism now meant a form of authoritarian government because most people now define it that way.

[Bilan]

High school and grade school history textbooks are written with the intention of providing a miseducation and it's frequently the case that the teacher's too much of a dolt to realize it. I'm pretty convinced in teaching school they're all trained to say "Well, it's a good idea on paper, but it doesn't work out in real life" in reference to communism. We'll use these books for heating fuel post-revolution.

I advise you supplement your studies with James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_my_teacher_told_me)

"Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat the eleventh grade." -- James Loewen

Genius!

[Dimentio]

So I am a freshman and am taking an "honors" history class called change and revolutions. This is what my text book says about feudalism

"Feudalism is a legitimate agreement between two free and equal parties, both benefit from the system equally"

This is what they said was a disadvantage to feudalism..

Barter economy and little patriotism or nationalism :laugh:

That is not only partial, but also historical falsification. It is true that in some monarchies, the relationship between the monarch and the nobility was rather equal, but that was only because the nobility controlled armed forces of the same size or larger than the king.

The relationship between the nobility and the peasants and burghers was as equal as that between the mafia and those who pay the mafia for protection.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Interestingly enough, I managed to find a very brief excerpt of the book in question, which coincidentally is all about feudalism:

http://www.wayofthepencil.com/peoplenationsancient.pdf

I couldn't find in that preview what the OP said.

Who knows, though? Maybe the statements are in a later page?

From the first page of the textbook:
"Often savage and cruel, the Vikings seems to have enjoyed battle" Ha - how do you know? Did you go back in time and conduct a straw poll? And academics criticize "A People's History of the US" for not citing enough sources.:rolleyes:

"The feudal system arose from the absense of a strong central governmnet" - ha, as if our modern capitalist nation-states are the norm and all other developments in history were some kind of diviation from the natural order of society.

Seriously, "Lies My Teacher Told Me" is a great - short - left wing overview of US history. For western history, I don't know if there is anything as concise - "A People's History of the World" is good but long for a high school class.

[Chambered Word]

My friend's history work said that Karl Marx argued for communism, which is apparently a system where all industry goes to the state. :cursing:

I put some notations down on the sheet and told him to bring it up with his history class.

[Physicist]

You have to realize that in the United States a lot of the common curriculum is based around the publishing companies targeting the Texas public education system due to its significant population. Unfortunately, our state has ensured a virtual oligopoly on the matter by creating content on an annual basis that will only comply to the standards of three or four companies. To make it worse, the legislature has recently intervened in an attempt to make history more "conservative," which means textbooks will follow up.

[the last donut of the night]

Ugh. Today I had to sit through a full-period presentation on "the rise of Stalin". Naturally, the smell of bullshit was overpowering. Apparently Stalin killed 13 million people single-handedly, kept millions "drowned in fear", and prevented people from "having any choice in their lives". Also, it seems the USSR's economy did so well because Stalin, again single-handedly, forced the population into fear.

[Sarah Palin]

that's cool. Go ***** to your online forum. Don't argue with the teacher or anything

[the last donut of the night]

that's cool. Go ***** to your online forum. Don't argue with the teacher or anything

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[Kléber]

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[Lord Testicles]

that's cool. Go ***** to your online forum. Don't argue with the teacher or anything

Because arguing with a teacher over the content of a textbook would be such a productive use of OP's time in school.

[ZeroNowhere]

I also had a teacher tell me that communism now meant a form of authoritarian government because most people now define it that way.
I once knew one of those. In response, I just waited until he called Marx a communist.


Because arguing with a teacher over the content of a textbook would be such a productive use of OP's time in school.I don't think that that post was even worth responding to.

[Comrade B]

that's cool. Go ***** to your online forum. Don't argue with the teacher or anything
Man, don't be a douche. Not everyone wants to get that much attention. I argued with a couple teachers, it gets you respect from some people, but for the most part people don't really give a shit what you, or your teacher says.