Glenn Beck attacks Communist

[bayano]

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Glenn Beck rants and raves about an, um, 5+ month old talk at New York's Brecht Forum where some communists shared the panel with others and attacked Obama. Beck confusingly never connects the communists to Obama (though you can see on twitter and the blogosphere that his fans clearly project a connection) but does exclaim that 'Progressivism leads to Communism or Fascism'.

There's already a facebook group about it (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=337583415761&ref=ts) and it's all over twitter.

For one thing, the bald communist does say some good things, though it's taken out of context. But more importantly, as easy as it is to attack Beck, it's important to see that his fan base continues to stand strong. Are these all folks that need to be considered enemies? Are there confused sectors of that base that need to be somehow pulled over? How are socialists going to possibly push back against this wealthy-financed but still not completely bourgeois movement? And how can we possibly win ideologically in a society that is so mentally ill?

[GatesofLenin]

It's a sad fact when one sees the ratings of the various MSM and Fox News is beating them all. Guess people love sensationalism to the extreme. :(

[Invincible Summer]

The more I watch Glenn Beck go on these sensationalist, immature tirades, the more I desire for him to have a terrible accident involving an African elephant, rusted railway spikes, and fire.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i didnt realized until 3/4 the way though the video that fascism and nazism were on the left... they claim to be centrists!

[heiss93]

Since "social justice" is a dangerous word. I guess all of Glen Beck's listeners should leave the Catholic church.

[Chambered Word]

Well, what can I say. It's really, really scary that people listen to Glenn Beck.

[RadioRaheem84]

Well how do you argue with Beck? It seems like the trap is set for anyone to fall into. I mean that has been the rights tactic for some time now is to just let people hear our views and then sit back and watch people get angry. Beck is dangerous because he is even hindering ANY progressive change in this country from gaining momentum, even if it's simply reformist. But again how do you argue against his tactics? Socialism is incompatible with the US Constitution.

And Beck totally manipulated what Mr. Brandt said. He didn't say that he supported Stalin or was apologizing for him, he said that he is sick of having to appologize for Stalin while capitalists get away with their past injustices (and current ones) all the time.

[The Vegan Marxist]

We can't fight back against the Beck enthusiasts. That's the thing. We put ourselves within their territory, just like any conspiracy theorist right-wing nut, & they will tear us down through falsified ideals & misrepresented information. There was a republican meeting that was shown on 'The Young Turks' & it showed how Beck was calling for the eradication against the 'progressives', which of course to them is all liberals, socialists, & communists. People like Beck is very dangerous & really can only be handled with when the revolution begins, because when we begin to arm ourselves against the capitalist-state, we are not just going to be fighting against them, we're also going to be fighting against armed right-wingers. The revolution will be a three-way battle. I think the only thing we can do is keep gaining workers solidarity & train ourselvs militantly.

[RadioRaheem84]

The problem is that whats unique to the United States is that there is a presumed notion of ideals that are inherent to being an American. That includes capitalism. That also includes an adherence to the Constitution that fundamentally respects private property. These two things are what working class people in the United States have been told best represent their interests and they're willing to die for it.

The only good thing worth defending in the US is the relative freedom we have to share our views regardless of how marginalized they really are. That is our only detriment to winning people over to our camp is that we're faced with a past that was largely un-democratic and suppressed free speech vs. an imperial power that allows free speech and civil liberties. If the USSR had been democratic none of this would be an issue and Socialism would be a flourishing ideology in the US.

[Das war einmal]

I get the feeling my brains shrink if I look at this clown

[Invincible Summer]

Well how do you argue with Beck? It seems like the trap is set for anyone to fall into. I mean that has been the rights tactic for some time now is to just let people hear our views and then sit back and watch people get angry. Beck is dangerous because he is even hindering ANY progressive change in this country from gaining momentum, even if it's simply reformist. But again how do you argue against his tactics? Socialism is incompatible with the US Constitution.

And Beck totally manipulated what Mr. Brandt said. He didn't say that he supported Stalin or was apologizing for him, he said that he is sick of having to appologize for Stalin while capitalists get away with their past injustices (and current ones) all the time.


We can't fight back against the Beck enthusiasts. That's the thing. We put ourselves within their territory, just like any conspiracy theorist right-wing nut, & they will tear us down through falsified ideals & misrepresented information. There was a republican meeting that was shown on 'The Young Turks' & it showed how Beck was calling for the eradication against the 'progressives', which of course to them is all liberals, socialists, & communists. People like Beck is very dangerous & really can only be handled with when the revolution begins, because when we begin to arm ourselves against the capitalist-state, we are not just going to be fighting against them, we're also going to be fighting against armed right-wingers. The revolution will be a three-way battle. I think the only thing we can do is keep gaining workers solidarity & train ourselvs militantly.

This is sometimes why I feel discouraged/angry - no matter how well we try to represent ourselves, there's always going to be people like Glenn Beck and his ilk that will intentionally mis-characterize, slander, and lie through their teeth in order to normalize their political agenda.
They make conservatism seem like it's the status quo - people who are even slightly left-of-centre (OMGz) are labelled as radicals... and these are the people who are using Orwellian references against communism?
And the thing is, Beck's sensationalist populism (that shouldn't get by as journalism or anything close) is working!!! What the fuck? People are actually listening to his crazy, baseless rants. Why?!


Also, do you think if Glenn Beck was imprisoned for some reason (or even died), all those Teabaggers and other Beck supporters would rise up and try to start something, with FOX painting them as revolutionaries?

[The Vegan Marxist]

This is sometimes why I feel discouraged/angry - no matter how well we try to represent ourselves, there's always going to be people like Glenn Beck and his ilk that will intentionally mis-characterize, slander, and lie through their teeth in order to normalize their political agenda.
They make conservatism seem like it's the status quo - people who are even slightly left-of-centre (OMGz) are labelled as radicals... and these are the people who are using Orwellian references against communism?
And the thing is, Beck's sensationalist populism (that shouldn't get by as journalism or anything close) is working!!! What the fuck? People are actually listening to his crazy, baseless rants. Why?!


Also, do you think if Glenn Beck was imprisoned for some reason (or even died), all those Teabaggers and other Beck supporters would rise up and try to start something, with FOX painting them as revolutionaries?

Me & some friends were talking about this actually. We ended up agreeing that if Beck was killed somehow, whether it be accidental or intentional, the right-wingers will perceive Beck as a martyr for their counterrevolution. So, no matter how much we want to see this fucker killed, the effects of such would be detrimental to us.

[Nolan]

Me & some friends were talking about this actually. We ended up agreeing that if Beck was killed somehow, whether it be accidental or intentional, the right-wingers will perceive Beck as a martyr for their counterrevolution. So, no matter how much we want to see this fucker killed, the effects of such would be detrimental to us.

Next up on FOX News, look what the internet communist extremists have planned for me!

[RadioRaheem84]

So, no matter how much we want to see this fucker killed, the effects of such would be detrimental to us.

Speak for yourself please. The man is a buffoon and liable to get someone hurt but I don't wish for violence on a clearly mentally unstable person.

[The Red Next Door]

What the fuck? People are actually listening to his crazy, baseless rants. Why?!

The reason is because the people who listen to people like this fuck, are too fucking lazy to have a mind of their own, he have cool sound effects and his humor is funny, I find him hilarious because he just a total nut case, he one of those crazy that make you want to laugh. Plus the people who listen to him think exactly like him.

[NecroCommie]

The most obvious answer is not to take beck and his supporters seriously. This not only works, but is also well reasoned method.

Next time you see someone defend beck or his views, just laugh and start talking to some intelligent person. If he insists on the matter then point out how no one takes Beck and his theories seriously outside the US.

[RadioRaheem84]

If he insists on the matter then point out how no one takes Beck and his theories seriously outside the US.
That doesn't work because Beck bases his idea on the notion that the world hates America for being so unique and that the world wants to ruin the American dream by making it just like every other country.

American exceptionalism is the mantra of Beck and the other right wingers.

[RadioRaheem84]

The most obvious answer is not to take beck and his supporters seriously. This not only works, but is also well reasoned method.

To some. But a lot his supporters have been conditioned to believe that the media, the world, the elite are making fun of them and will mock them and him and they have to be strong willed to resist the temptation of "socialist indoctrination".

Yes, it sounds cultish.

[The Red Next Door]

Most of the people who are a part of these bour movement, are not wealthy. They are poor people looking for someone to give them answers and the democratic party are not doing a good job of that, Just look,They just gave another million of the people's tax money to wall street and when the cons heard about this stuff, they go. "looky, looky at what the Dems are doing with your money" These poor republicans are being used by the ruling class republicans to carry their plans to fuck poor people over and these people are victims of anti communist propaganda and the belief that social services for the poor is only for minorities and not them. We need to talk to these people in way, where they can trust us.

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Jed Brandt, the guy in this video, is a part of Kasama Project and we will be covering this as it unfolds. In the meantime, let's build support for Jed any way we can. It's not often that they show a revolutionary communist on TV anywhere, and we need to capitalize on it as best we can. If we don't, the right will. I know some people that have been calling for Jed to challenge Glenn Beck to a debate. Anyway, stay posted and I will post updates in this thread.

http://kasamaproject.org/2010/03/02/video-kasamas-jed-brandt-attacked-by-glenn-beck/

[RadioRaheem84]

The thing is that I understood what Jed Brandt was talking about. I understood it because I understand Marxism and I know that he wasn't calling for terrorist style bloodshed and totalitarian take over. But to someone who is unfamiliar with popular democratic struggle movements, their intentions and their underlying reasoning for "taking over" things, Brandt would sound like a Stalinist wanting to come in and kill anyone that stands in his way.

I am sure everyone in here understood Brandt quite clearly and that he was not wishing for the wholesale destruction of the United States as a nation but the system is triumphs; the system of capitalism.

What Beck is banking on is that 99% of the people in his audience will have no idea what Brandt is talking about except for killing, maiming and taking over everything, including their "liberty".

[Comrade_Max]

Has anyone seen/have access to a link of Glenn Beck's 1 hour special where he "exposes the true horrors of Communism?" It is the greatest beacon to the forces of ignorance and Beckism I have ever had the displeasure to view.

[KurtFF8]

Which is the purpose of shows like his that use particular sound-bites instead of explaining arguments.

I think that Jed needs to try to actually get an interview/debate on Beck's show. Make a real effort, and if Beck's folks don't allow it, call them out for it.

[bailey_187]

Hopefully if he does go on his show he dont end up like Sam Webb...

[RadioRaheem84]

....Beck will paint him to look like a terrorist. There is a presumed set of ideas that pervade the media. All Beck has to do is ask questions about his ideology and boom he is painted an America-hating red bastard. There will be no time to go into a long speech fully explaining what this or that means in Marxist terms. Remember that cappies think of socialism as a parasitic ideology that overlaps a capitalist economy, they don't see it as an entirely new revolutionary way of thinking and changing of society. Beck doesn't have to do much except read or get him to discuss his beliefs.

From David Horowitz to Christopher Hitchens to now Glenn Beck, these guys have found a new racket by simply pointing out the views of leftists and contrasting them with modern bourgeoisie thought. Have you guys ever read the Anti-Chomsky Reader by David Horowitz? It doesn't engage in ANY of Chomsky's main arguments, instead it just has a host of writers list Chomsky's views without an explanation and show how utterly anti-American they are presupposing that the reader is blatantly pro-American. It's a brilliant racket!

[Saorsa]

“It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue; it demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves but achieved a great deal in our work.”

Chairman Mao Zedong.

[bayano]

Firstly, here is the Original Fuller Clip of the first half of the panel Jed Brandt spoke on (http://blip.tv/file/2987782) and the second half (http://blip.tv/file/2987782). It's worth a watch for revleft folks, because it's about our movements and how these reactionary projects affect our movements, but longish (over an hour). And though it's from September, it's relevant to all of the thoughts yall have.

Now, this event was an internal panel within the socialist left in new york city. It was posted online, but not necessarily a propaganda tool- it was much more about strategizing.


I am sure everyone in here understood Brandt quite clearly and that he was not wishing for the wholesale destruction of the United States as a nation but the system is triumphs; the system of capitalism.

Actually, I think Brandt certainly was calling for the wholesale destruction of the United States as a nation- and I am too. That is what it means to be a communist or an anarchist. If that is not someone's view, they should not call themselves either of those words. They are a socialist. I think that Brandt wants the destruction of an imperial republic as a nations and a global revolution. So do I.


I think that Jed needs to try to actually get an interview/debate on Beck's show. Make a real effort, and if Beck's folks don't allow it, call them out for it.

Unfortunately, Brandt is unable to right now- though I will refrain from expressing why until Kasama or someone else makes a formal statement. Beck will have forgotten his blustering over our bald comrade by the time Brandt would be able to. In any event, watch or listen to the videos I linked to. It's an interesting conversation, and while there are very real differences in my and his politics, I absolutely agree that we need an independent militancy in the socialist sectors of the United States. They have force, and it is never too early for us to have force, to create independent structures that are inclusive of a militant apparatus of revolutionaries. This doesn't have to be fantasy talk. It can and should happen.

[RadioRaheem84]

Actually, I think Brandt certainly was calling for the wholesale destruction of the United States as a nation- and I am too. That is what it means to be a communist or an anarchist. If that is not someone's view, they should not call themselves either of those words. They are a socialist. I think that Brandt wants the destruction of an imperial republic as a nations and a global revolution. So do I.I thought that the movement he was involved in wanted organizational community mobilization and direct action not armed revolutionary struggle.

If he was calling for the wholesale destruction of the nation-state, I can understand as he is a communist. But my question was 'how' and by what means? I think everyone on the left from Communists to Progressives want the imperial nation to end.

[StalinFanboy]

I dont wanna know anymore about his pants hahahahahahha

[RadioRaheem84]

He used that dumb joke twice. I thought this guy was supposed to be a comedian but his jokes are weak and idiotic. He isn't even a good entertainer. The only thing remotely entertaining about him is to watch him make a fool of himself, although I feel bad about making fun of a clearly emotionally unstable individual.

[Saorsa]

He bounces around the stage making weird noises and pulling strange faces, and his voice changes pitch and tone at an alarming and disturbing rate.

Jed the Bald Communist is currently overseas in a country with very little internet access, so probably can't challenge Beck to a debate.

[bayano]

No, to understand Jed better, see the two videos I posted. He most certainly does support armed revolutionary struggle as preferable to direct action and 'organizational community mobilization'. I'll confess, I know him well. And I support all three- Jed's more to the point. We argue.

Part 1 (http://blip.tv/file/2987782)

Part 2 (http://blip.tv/file/3058036/)

[Robocommie]

I can't even bear to watch that fucking propagandist Beck, anti-intellectual fearmonger that he is. He just makes me cringe.

[Red Commissar]

This segment is pretty much typical of Glenn Beck's 'hard-hitting journalism'. Obvious editing and uses fallacies disguised as a legitimate argument. Really, I could not watch much of that with out my head hurting from the sheer lunacy.

[Robocommie]

This segment is pretty much typical of Glenn Beck's 'hard-hitting journalism'. Obvious editing and uses fallacies disguised as a legitimate argument. Really, I could not watch much of that with out my head hurting from the sheer lunacy.

I mean, he's pretty much an overgrown man-child, isn't he? Gesturing wildly, making ridiculous comments and wild accusations without any kind of support for his assertions, he makes comments on other things that completely presuppose other ridiculous statements of his to be true, like the idea that the Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi have any kind of ties whatsoever with the Left.

God damnit, he's so fucking infuriating. I just hope he does something that oversteps the bounds and destroys his credibility to even his fans, because I just don't want to have to stomach his childishness for much longer.

[Belisarius]

I mean, he's pretty much an overgrown man-child, isn't he? Gesturing wildly, making ridiculous comments and wild accusations without any kind of support for his assertions, he makes comments on other things that completely presuppose other ridiculous statements of his to be true, like the idea that the Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi have any kind of ties whatsoever with the Left.

God damnit, he's so fucking infuriating. I just hope he does something that oversteps the bounds and destroys his credibility to even his fans, because I just don't want to have to stomach his childishness for much longer.
it makes me thing of a policy of belgian television broadcasting in the 60's or so: you have to threat the people like they are all twelve-year-olds in order to make everyone understand the news.

i don't think getting rid of beck in any possible way will actually solve the problem, there will just come another one. even educating the people, i think, won't suffice. in belgium we have a populist politician who is actually quite smart (he graduated law school), but he rarely uses his brain.

[RadioRaheem84]

His childishness is because he is an emotionally unstable individual or its all an act to give his hard hitting journalism a clout of entertainment so no one will question his arguments, or both.

Beck could be the seriously crazy proto-fascist populist that Chomsky warned about in his book Understanding Power.

[bayano]

In the video of the full event Jed Brandt was speaking at that I twice posted, an audience member mentions that we have to back away from the cult of personality that we engage in as much as the right and mainstream do. Though I'm the OP and should be admonishing myself, Beck is just a tool and a gear. What we have to do is analyze the machinery- both FOX News, and the fascist hordes that follow Beck and then hit the streets in Tea parties or other activities. Many of them can be dismissed as reactionary enemies, but they are gaining ground in the populace. We have to be loud and honest and strong enough that we are heard as well.

[Robocommie]

His childishness is because he is an emotionally unstable individual or its all an act to give his hard hitting journalism a clout of entertainment so no one will question his arguments, or both.

Beck could be the seriously crazy proto-fascist populist that Chomsky warned about in his book Understanding Power.

If his "buy gold, now now now!" scheme is any indication, he's not entirely clueless about how to manipulate people. I personally believe he's using his cretinous credibility to manipulate people into buying gold, which of course will dramatically raise the market value, and then when the price is up as high as it'll go, Beck and G. Gordon Liddy and all those other stooges can cash in on their own investment and make a mint, like the good little cappies they are.

[RadioRaheem84]

There is definitely a connection to the gold scams and the right wing media. They all pitch gold scams! They're all sponsored by medium sized businesses and growing corporations. They clearly represent the petit-bourgeois interests which is why they can effectively rail against the government and the corruption of big business and come out looking populist to the average worker.

Like Chomsky noted, these guys appeal to mid size to small business owners who are pissed off because the government won't let them use lead in their paint, excludes them from the corporate welfare trough, or shifts the tax burden from big business to their small business. The majority of their base are small business owners and middle management types. This also includes a small but growing segment of the working class that sympathizes with the interests of the petit-bourgeois; mostly for their desire to enter that class or for their appreciation of the boss.

[#FF0000]

who gives half a fuck about glenn beck

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Hey everybody,

Jed Brandt is currently in Kathmandu, Nepal observing the revolutionary process there and the new developments in society. Here are some pictures that he just sent to us. Unfortunately there aren't many and they are small, but internet is slow in Nepal when it's accessible at all.

Jed Brandt's pictures from Nepal (http://kasamaproject.org/2010/03/02/jed-brandt-a-new-nepal-in-birth-a-world-to-win-photos/)

Also, here are Jed's segments of the Brecht Forum panel that was posted up earlier. It's in two parts:

Jed at Brecht Forum 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyPOwJDmmS8)

Part 2 on the way...

[RadioRaheem84]

Jeez!!! Brendt sounds totally different than what Beck made him out to be on his show! He is a very lucid and intelligent person!

Beck is a manipulator of the highest order. :cursing:

[RadioRaheem84]

Jed is awesome! He is telling it how it is and how the liberals have usurped the left movement and capitulated it to neo-liberalism! How the fuck did this escape Beck's attention when he was equating liberalism to socialism and socialism to communism and communism to fascism and that the end of liberty, etc. ?

I plainly see that Beck is a dangerous individual and has gone far past his clownish persona into outright mind manipulation of the highest order!

Edit: Jed also denounces Van Jones and his renunciation of Communism. Jed also says that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past! WTF is going on! How the hell does Beck get away with his bullshit!

[Invincible Summer]

Jed is awesome! He is telling it how it is and how the liberals have usurped the left movement and capitulated it to neo-liberalism! How the fuck did this escape Beck's attention when he was equating liberalism to socialism and socialism to communism and communism to fascism and that the end of liberty, etc. ?

I plainly see that Beck is a dangerous individual and has gone far past his clownish persona into outright mind manipulation of the highest order!

Edit: Jed also denounces Van Jones and his renunciation of Communism. Jed also says that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past! WTF is going on! How the hell does Beck get away with his bullshit!

Exactly. While Beck claims that communists are trying to restrict people, he and FOX and the other bourgeois media institutions are doing exactly what Chomsky and Herman wrote about in their Propaganda Model of the Media. They're misleading people and lying through their teeth - they're they ones that are restricting the freedom of people to know what anti-capitalism - hell, even just being on the left - is about.

What these bougie media institutions are doing is scapegoating anyone that is even slightly more left than they are - it's the new McCarthyism. I won't go as far as saying it's as bad as the scapegoating of Jews in Nazi Germany (for obvious reasons), but it's pretty damn bad.


EDIT: Also, as an aside - OMGz Jed Brandt haz white collared shirt! NOT COMMUNIST!

[Robocommie]

Edit: Jed also denounces Van Jones and his renunciation of Communism. Jed also says that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past! WTF is going on! How the hell does Beck get away with his bullshit!

Well, none of his knucklehead devotees are going to do any stringent fact checking and look into the rest of what Jed was saying.

And really, even the denouncement of Van Jones can be twisted to suit Beck's sick little game; he just says, as he did in the clip, "Well we all know that Van Jones is a committed Commie revolutionary, and THESE guys say he's not even good enough! He's not extreme enough! How bad are THESE folks?!?"

He's a demagogue, plain and simple. He'd fit right in at the Nuremberg Rallies.

[chegitz guevara]

I know Jed, seeing as I'm part of the Kasama Project. The guy is a mensch. :thumbup1:

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Functioning Parts 1 and 2.

Jed is the man. We are all bald communists!!!!!! :thumbup1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyPOwJDmmS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEtScHIC1U

[Robocommie]

Functioning Parts 1 and 2.

Jed is the man. We are all bald communists!!!!!! :thumbup1:


Oh man. Are we going to get called revisionists now if we're not balding? ;)

[The Ben G]

Jed Brandt FTW! Tell it like it is! Glenn Beck, You are the enemy.

[Wolf Larson]

The problem is that whats unique to the United States is that there is a presumed notion of ideals that are inherent to being an American. That includes capitalism. That also includes an adherence to the Constitution that fundamentally respects private property. These two things are what working class people in the United States have been told best represent their interests and they're willing to die for it.

The only good thing worth defending in the US is the relative freedom we have to share our views regardless of how marginalized they really are. That is our only detriment to winning people over to our camp is that we're faced with a past that was largely un-democratic and suppressed free speech vs. an imperial power that allows free speech and civil liberties. If the USSR had been democratic none of this would be an issue and Socialism would be a flourishing ideology in the US.

Locke, Madison, Jay and the rest of the founding tyrants knew exactly what they were doing when setting up a democratic republic which was opposed to direct democracy. In their own words you can see the contempt they held for the working class. The founding fathers own words have been my best propaganda tool [when speaking to patriotic fools]. I'm sure you read them yourself but I'll come back to this post later and give you a list of anti average worker quotes directly from the founding tyrants mouths.

Anything from Locke seeing us as a bunch of leet-men, to Madison saying only the opulent should hold power, to John Jay and his words of the same nature in opposition to democracy etc. I've used their words without letting conservatives know who wrote them- a few became some what enraged and called the opinions put forth elitist. Then I had the pleasure of giving them the source of the elitist views and their faith in the founding fathers was immediately eroded. Good propaganda those founding fathers gave us. We should use it more often.

'Those who own the country ought to govern it'
-John Jay-

“The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”
Madison-

Context is important with this one. The minority is white land owning class so many conservatives actually agree with this quote:“In Republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority”

"The primary responsibility of government is to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" -Madison-

The principle inspiration for the founding fathers John Locke wrote in the preamble within his "Fundamental Constitutions for the Government of Carolina "that we may avoid erecting a numerous democracy; we must establish the eight lords proprietors as a hereditary nobility, with absolute control over leet-men."

[Wolf Larson]

Leet-man was of course the working class in John Locke's eyes. It was his insulting description of chattel slaves and the poor who did not own land. The very people his ideal republic was formed to control and dominate. Locke knew property was the mechanism to accomplish this and property, as Locke knew, could not exist without a state. So, the American revolution's main goal was to establish property and the state necessary to legitimize and enforce it. If you think about it we were better off under feudalism only because commons existed. If feudal lords did not tax/steal peoples excess goods collectivism or common land could have perhaps birthed just as much technological advancement. It's not likely though. The division of labor was a bi product of property and primitive accumulation BUT so was capitalism a bi product of feudalism just as socialism a bi product of capitalism. Human Evolution. Glen Beck is a rhetorical wall between us and our natural evolution towards liberty. Not so much Beck but the capitalist media conglomerates. If Beck didn't exist another person would be in his shoes manufacturing mass consent. During the revolution against feudalism there were serfs who would defend their feudal lords. Now, during the infant stage of socialism [socialist reform?] in the 20-21'st century there are wage slave serfs defending their capitalist masters. White working class John Galt serfs tuned into mas media 24/7. Is it important to get through to these people or will history mow them over as their feudal serf predecessors had been marginalized? The capitalists were able to defeat feudalism because feudal lords were not very popular. We in turn will not be able to defeat capitalists until they are not that popular. Every last MsM broadcast during this crisis is coming from a base strategy- a strategy entirely concerned with keeping capitalism popular. Deflecting the real cause of this crisis onto its enemies. Blaming capitalism's ills on socialism. This is what Glen Beck and others like him are doing. Installing a firewall between capitalism and socialism. Ironically so is Obama.

[~Spectre]

Parenti's constitution for the few (I think that's what it was called) is good reading/listening to dispel the myth of the U.S. founders. As has been stated, they carefully planned out a system to expand and maintain their class interests with absolute control and total disregard for all others. They even openly wrote that actual democracy might lead to things like land reform which to them was a "wicked project".

_____

As for Beck, I don't normally believe in putting too much energy into individuals, but is there value in an organized effort to permanently discredit him? Create a scandal etc. Perhaps it's time to turn his tactics on him.

A thorough background check, a search for skeletons in his closet, following him to his events and recording them to search for even the slightest out of bounds remark, planting bigoted questions to see if he either intentionally or unintentionally responds in a sympathetic manner. Things of this nature.

If any sort of material like this can be found/gathered, the competing capitalist media will do the rest for us.

[The Ghost of Revolutions]

If glenn beck showed the whole video it would be the first time he ever showed his auidence the truth.

[El Rojo]

never argue wih idiots. They bring you down to thier level and beat you on experience.

[Ligeia]

Is Brendt somehow famous or is the Brecht forum popular?
I mean....how does Glenn Beck find such specific things if he's ignorant of communism? Thus, you can only assume he knows or his researchers know what, where and why there are communists to systematically produce their propaganda.

[RadioRaheem84]

His researchers probably were former leftists or try to choose the most revolutionary of leftists to include in Beck's shameless white power hour, knowing full well they constitute but a minority of a minority of another even tinier minority; namely us. Then he has to somehow tie that in with the bigger majority of liberals and reformists.

This tactic has been around for sometime and was started by David Horowitz. Beck though has taken it to an extremely showbiz level.

[chegitz guevara]

They probably just google communist or do a search for it on Youtube. It's really not that hard.

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

I'd imagine Beck has some goons that research any and everything that mentions his name. They likely only picked Jed because he said Beck was a fascist.

[Glenn Beck]

I did it because Hoxha told me he was ultra-left anyway. I'm fighting revisionism here, guys

[Robocommie]

I did it because Hoxha told me he was ultra-left anyway. I'm fighting revisionism here, guys

Damn you Glenn Beck!

[spiltteeth]

In the clip Beck says that Marx says 20% of the population should be exterminated...WTF
Really, by demonizing Marx and all socialists he's redefining what socialism is, and so automatically preventing any kind of intelligent conversation about it.

[punisa]

To me it's funny that people in the states actually listen to this guy and that he gets air time.
In Europe he would probably be mistaken for a stand up comedian, judging from the way he talks and acts.
People from the US really like everything to wrapped up as a "show" :laugh:

And I mean that as a good thing, over here right wingers usually never laugh and are pretty scary :lol:

Anyway, personally to me this Beck looks like a crazy loony, a funny comedian or something, to consider him dangerous would be just ... wrong.

I mean, just listen to him (around 03:11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIioIQDcrk0

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fhEK_Hy45I)

[Invincible Summer]

To me it's funny that people in the states actually listen to this guy and that he gets air time.
In Europe he would probably be mistaken for a stand up comedian, judging from the way he talks and acts.
People from the US really like everything to wrapped up as a "show" :laugh:

And I mean that as a good thing, over here right wingers usually never laugh and are pretty scary :lol:

Anyway, personally to me this Beck looks like a crazy loony, a funny comedian or something, to consider him dangerous would be just ... wrong.

I mean, just listen to him (around 03:11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIioIQDcrk0

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fhEK_Hy45I)

Wrong link I think :p

Song's not bad though :thumbup1:

[punisa]

Wrong link I think :p

Song's not bad though :thumbup1:

LOL, sorry for that :lol:
That was actually one of my songs I posted today :lol:

Youtube went crazy today and made a total remake of their site, linking is totally crazy too.
Anyway, here is Glenn being insane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?videos=NuBTscxfdoI&v=R-KGukuety0

[RadioRaheem84]

And I mean that as a good thing, over here right wingers usually never laugh and are pretty scary

Beck is new phenomenon. Before him, conservatives were either jack asses with no real sense of humor like Rush Limbaugh or snobs like William F Buckley. Beck has put a comedic spin on conservatism and tries desperately to mimic the comedy of the left in this country. It only works if your racist, crass and a vile person to begin with though.

[Klaatu]

Beck will not invite a "liberal" (or God-forbid, a "socialist") on his show.
What is he afraid of? Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) and Stephen Colbert
invite guests from across the political spectrum, from socialists, to
liberals, to conservatives (haven't seen any nazis, though) Larry King
and Bill Moyers would do the same thing: unbiased journalism.

Beck has one of the most biased, unbalanced, nonsensical, fact-free
broadcasts on the airwaves.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Beck will not invite a "liberal" (or God-forbid, a "socialist") on his show.
What is he afraid of? Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) and Stephen Colbert
invite guests from across the political spectrum, from socialists, to
liberals, to conservatives (haven't seen any nazis, though) Larry King
and Bill Moyers would do the same thing: unbiased journalism.

Beck has one of the most biased, unbalanced, nonsensical, fact-free
broadcasts on the airwaves.

Well, it's also a given that Jon Stewart is a socialist, himself, so of course Beck will forever fear this guy because, OMG, a socialist is actually performing news on American soil! :blink:

[Klaatu]

How are socialists going to possibly push back against this wealthy-financed but still not completely bourgeois movement? And how can we possibly win ideologically in a society that is so mentally ill?

Make a college education mandatory for all citizens. Education is the cure for the disease of conservatism and capitalism.
People that vote for neocons are the hoi polloi suffering from what I call "Empty Skull Syndrome."

No offense to those who did not attend college, yet have socialist political views!

[Klaatu]

Well, it's also a given that Jon Stewart is a socialist, himself, so of course Beck will forever fear this guy because, OMG, a socialist is actually performing news on American soil! :blink:

Bill O'Reilly (Bill "Oh-Really?") from Fox News, had Stewart on his show, and vice-versa.

[Klaatu]

To me it's funny that people in the states actually listen to this guy and that he gets air time.
In Europe he would probably be mistaken for a stand up comedian, judging from the way he talks and acts.
People from the US really like everything to wrapped up as a "show" :laugh:

And I mean that as a good thing, over here right wingers usually never laugh and are pretty scary :lol:

Anyway, personally to me this Beck looks like a crazy loony, a funny comedian or something, to consider him dangerous would be just ... wrong.


If Beck is actually trying to be funny, I would say epic fail. My sister watches his show, and I have not ever heard her laugh
(not even a chuckle) I hope Beck didn't quit his day job yet...

[The Vegan Marxist]

Bill O'Reilly (Bill "Oh-Really?") from Fox News, had Stewart on his show, and vice-versa.

Yes, that's true, but Beck is a far better propagandist than O'Reilly is, & is far more paranoid than he is.

[Klaatu]

It's a sad fact when one sees the ratings of the various MSM and Fox News is beating them all. Guess people love sensationalism to the extreme. :(

The people that watch Beck and club, all day long, are the TV-Watchers.
These people do not usually read books (but perhaps newspapers) and only
go online to look at porn (not to do research, as educated people do)
In other words, to reach the TV-Watcher, we must at least get them to
watch MSNBC and PBS, in addition to their beloved Fox News. (but they won't).

[Klaatu]

Yes, that's true, but Beck is a far better propagandist than O'Reilly is, & is far more paranoid than he is.

This may sound strange, but I have actually been wondering if Beck is the reincarnation of Hitler -
personality-wise, and paranoia-wise, I mean. These guys are two of a kind... (just an observation)

[Klaatu]

Socialism is incompatible with the US Constitution.

I don't entirely agree with that. If this were true, government could not pass
any regulation at all upon business. Yet they do, and have been doing so,
especially in the late 20th century. (Banking laws, environment laws, etc.)
My argument is that the Constitution is about the people, not so much
about business. Socialism is about the people. So logically, it follows that
the Constitution is as much about Socialism, as it appears to be about
private enterprise. That is, the people in and of themselves, as much as
about their possessions and businesses.

[Klaatu]

The problem here is that, Beck, in his own little uneducated bubble, does not understand what
Communism-Socialism is all about. He (like millions of others) associate it with USSR and China.

We cannot win against this misinformation. The solution may be to adopt an entirely new moniker.
That is, we are not "socialists," we are "the good-Samaritan party" or something like that (I know
that sounds lame, but it is just off the top of my head.) Consider how the "Libertarian" party came
into being: A catchy name, no dark past, and tell people what they want to hear.

How about "The Associate Party?" or "The Benefactor Party?" That is what Socialists really are: friendly,
freedom-loving, brotherly-love, and caring-about-others party. Our name should reflect these ideals.

[h9socialist]

Arguments about the compatibility of socialism and the US Constitution really are a waste of time. The US Constitution is about "'the people" only insofar as it attempts to shield the propertied classes from the collective will of "the people." Capitalism allows the worker class the freedom to struggle . . . that's about it. It sure doesn't want to legislate social and economic justice -- and it has only done so in the past in order to save the propertied classes from out-and-out rebellion.

As to Glenn Beck: He's a fucking moron -- pure and simple. Why do we waste time talking about him? It used to be that William F. Buckley, Jr. would invite Norman Thomas or Michael Harrington onto Firing Line, and there would be a civilized intellectual debate. Glenn Beck is totally incapable of such discourse. He's an intellectual bantam-weight. He's trying to restore the image of middle class fathers as benevolent autocrats, and Sunday school teachers as role models. His is a delusional world of Paradise Lost for middle America. Flush the idiot! He's not worth our time. Our task is a plausible, humanistic, democratic alternative to capitalist economics and bourgeois social values. That's where our discourse needs to concentrate.

[cb9's_unity]

If we argued against people purely on the basis of intellectual validity then anti-fascist groups wouldn't have to exist. We must spend our time debating the theory's that most workers subscribe to. Glenn Beck's following is becoming massive and dedicated, every time he says anything on his show its mindlessly parroted by conservatives for the next month. His validity is growing in the minds of a huge chunk of Americans.

If you watch his show its almost understandable how someone could become a follower of the guy. Essentially if you know little to nothing about politics or history then there is nothing to stop you from believing what he is saying. He makes his arguments extremely convincing to anyone who has never heard the other side of the debate (which is a large amount of people). And considering that he almost never has anyone on to contradict him, most people who watch his show usually turn to very few other sources to validate what he is saying.

We should care a lot about what Beck is saying because if we know his latest talking point we can relatively easily formulate our argument against it. Once his blatant hypocrisy is challenged his arguments loose the persuasiveness.

[Klaatu]

As to Glenn Beck: He's a fucking moron -- pure and simple. Why do we waste time talking about him? It used to be that William F. Buckley, Jr. would invite Norman Thomas or Michael Harrington onto Firing Line, and there would be a civilized intellectual debate. Glenn Beck is totally incapable of such discourse. He's an intellectual bantam-weight. He's trying to restore the image of middle class fathers as benevolent autocrats, and Sunday school teachers as role models. His is a delusional world of Paradise Lost for middle America. Flush the idiot! He's not worth our time. Our task is a plausible, humanistic, democratic alternative to capitalist economics and bourgeois social values. That's where our discourse needs to concentrate.

We need a Socialist TV and radio talk show. Let us call it "The Associate: Intelligent Debate Sans Rhetoric."

[Klaatu]

Glenn Beck's following is becoming massive and dedicated, every time he says anything on his show its mindlessly parroted by conservatives for the next month. His validity is growing in the minds of a huge chunk of Americans.

If you watch his show its almost understandable how someone could become a follower of the guy. Essentially if you know little to nothing about politics or history then there is nothing to stop you from believing what he is saying. He makes his arguments extremely convincing to anyone who has never heard the other side of the debate (which is a large amount of people). And considering that he almost never has anyone on to contradict him, most people who watch his show usually turn to very few other sources to validate what he is saying.


This is a reflection of the sad state of education in America. If students
had paid attention during history class, and civics class, (instead of day-
dreaming about getting high, and getting laid,) they might have some sort
of background knowledge in order to easily refute Beck's rhetoric and
illogical reasoning.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't entirely agree with that. If this were true, government could not pass
any regulation at all upon business. Yet they do, and have been doing so,
especially in the late 20th century. (Banking laws, environment laws, etc.)
My argument is that the Constitution is about the people, not so much
about business. Socialism is about the people. So logically, it follows that
the Constitution is as much about Socialism, as it appears to be about
private enterprise. That is, the people in and of themselves, as much as
about their possessions and businesses.

I think that, once we gain communism, the constitution will be unneeded, because the people will already know what they want & what they need. No piece of paper will tell us what is right & what is wrong anymore. All the constitution does is allow for some power to remain in control by the State, or to those who are in power. It's a back-up system, practically.

[cb9's_unity]

This is a reflection of the sad state of education in America. If students
had paid attention during history class, and civics class, (instead of day-
dreaming about getting high, and getting laid,) they might have some sort
of background knowledge in order to easily refute Beck's rhetoric and
illogical reasoning.

I've done more than my fair share of day dreaming in class and I'm still informed.:thumbup1:

The blame isn't to be put on the students. We have had nationalism pushed on us every day since we first entered school. The problem is that the state has no interest in making the American state the 'bad guy'. Any blatant hypocrisy or oppression is presented as not much more than a small flaw that doesn't actually taint the "greatest nation on earth".

Schools also only teach the idealized version of American government. Kids are lucky to come out of school with even the haziest idea of what a democrat or a republican is; and they are almost ensured to come out of the classroom with the idea that communism was indisputably an authoritarian failure.

There is almost nothing to teach students about economics, politics, or recent world events in school. Thus its no surprise that students rarely care about economics, politics, or the rest of the world in general.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I've done more than my fair share of day dreaming in class and I'm still informed.:thumbup1:

The blame isn't to be put on the students. We have had nationalism pushed on us every day since we first entered school. The problem is that the state has no interest in making the American state the 'bad guy'. Any blatant hypocrisy or oppression is presented as not much more than a small flaw that doesn't actually taint the "greatest nation on earth".

Schools also only teach the idealized version of American government. Kids are lucky to come out of school with even the haziest idea of what a democrat or a republican is; and they are almost ensured to come out of the classroom with the idea that communism was indisputably an authoritarian failure.

There is almost nothing to teach students about economics, politics, or recent world events in school. Thus its no surprise that students rarely care about economics, politics, or the rest of the world in general.

This fact that you just stated makes me glad as hell that my U.S. history teacher was one of those "commie-tyrants" :thumbup1:

[Klaatu]

I think that, once we gain communism, the constitution will be unneeded, because the people will already know what they want & what they need. No piece of paper will tell us what is right & what is wrong anymore. All the constitution does is allow for some power to remain in control by the State, or to those who are in power. It's a back-up system, practically.

Good point. The Constitution is mainly for the (mostly illiterate) people of the 18th century,
and was a framework for an entirely new form of government. In fact, that is really the major
purpose of it, to describe the workings (the "constitution") of the then-new form of government.
In fact, the Bill of Rights was actually put in as an afterthought...


This fact that you just stated makes me glad as hell that my U.S. history teacher was one of those "commie-tyrants"

Mine too, actually. He had a big USSR flag in his classroom (with smaller flags from other countries, inc USA, and we live here)


I've done more than my fair share of day dreaming in class and I'm still informed.

You are one of the smart students. (I digress: I did daydream about girls though.) :thumbup1:

[The Vegan Marxist]

You are one of the smart students. (I digress: I did daydream about girls though.) :thumbup1:

haha, shit, who didn't do that? :laugh:

[Klaatu]

haha, shit, who didn't do that? :laugh:

the fags? :lol:

[The Vegan Marxist]

the fags? :lol:

Same difference, one just had an extra body part. lol

[Klaatu]

Same difference, one just had an extra body part. lol

Oh there's some difference though. For example, men don't nag nag nag, :crying:
and are much better drivers. I've been driving a car for 33 years. Honestly,
more than 9 out of 10 road altercations of mine have been with females.
THEY CAN'T DRIVE WORTH BEANS. you see, a man is afraid to scratch his car.
So he drives carefully. A woman, on the other hand, just starts the car up,
closes her eyes, and gung ho - look out!!! :blink:

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Ummm, why is this blatantly sexist/homophobic conversation being allowed to continue derailing the thread?

[Kassad]

Sexist and homophobic references/insults and such end now. Infractions will come to anything of the sort that I see.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Sexist and homophobic references/insults and such end now. Infractions will come to anything of the sort that I see.

I wasn't the one being sexist, so don't go after me nor try to 'punish' me if it does continue. That's my warning to you. :thumbup1:

[Klaatu]

Oh c'mon. This is only a joke. Lighten up guys. Girls make jokes too. ;)

But OK this ends...

ps thanks for the good laugh, Vegan

[The Vegan Marxist]

Oh c'mon. This is only a joke. Lighten up guys. Girls make jokes too. ;)

But OK this ends...

ps thanks for the good laugh, Vegan

No prob :lol:

[JacobVardy]

Beck will not invite a "liberal" (or God-forbid, a "socialist") on his show.
What is he afraid of? Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) and Stephen Colbert
invite guests from across the political spectrum, from socialists, to
liberals, to conservatives (haven't seen any nazis, though) Larry King
and Bill Moyers would do the same thing: unbiased journalism.

Beck has one of the most biased, unbalanced, nonsensical, fact-free
broadcasts on the airwaves.

William F Buckley may have been a conservative catholic snob but he was also willing to be fair. He was quite willing to invite lefties like Chomsky et al on to his show. Beck is a clown and needs to be attacked hard and frequently. Make him the representative of conservatism. Every time you use the word 'conservative' or its like in public, it should be linked to Glenn Beck's name. If people associate conservatism with morons like him your job should be easier.

[The Vegan Marxist]

William F Buckley may have been a conservative catholic snob but he was also willing to be fair. He was quite willing to invite lefties like Chomsky et al on to his show. Beck is a clown and needs to be attacked hard and frequently. Make him the representative of conservatism. Every time you use the word 'conservative' or its like in public, it should be linked to Glenn Beck's name. If people associate conservatism with morons like him your job should be easier.

Though, there are other conservatives that are very well informed, & really someone that I personally wanted to win the presidential elections instead of Obama, & that's Ron Paul. Although I don't like his pro-capitalist views, he was a very progressive conservative during the '08 elections & was practically the last hope for any sign of real change to come. So to just go against 'conservatives', I believe, will not work.

[Klaatu]

Beck is a clown and needs to be attacked hard and frequently. Make him the representative of conservatism. Every time you use the word 'conservative' or its like in public, it should be linked to Glenn Beck's name. If people associate conservatism with morons like him your job should be easier.

Agreed. Let us also consider Sen. James Inhofe (R) (global warming denier) and
Rep. Michelle Bachman (R) ("There is 3% [three percent] CO2 in the atmosphere").
Yes, she actually said that.

In a recent interview, Inhofe claims the science is "cooked up" on warming.
Yet isn't he one of these so-called "creation scientists" aka "intelligent design"
advocates? Talk about cooking up the science. Hypocrisy to the nth degree.

[the last donut of the night]

This is a reflection of the sad state of education in America. If students
had paid attention during history class, and civics class, (instead of day-
dreaming about getting high, and getting laid,) they might have some sort
of background knowledge in order to easily refute Beck's rhetoric and
illogical reasoning.

Woah, woah, woah. Your past posts have reeked of elitism, and this isn't an exception. Why are you, like the capitalists (including Glenn Beck), blaming students in the first place? Being a student in America is harder than ever, and it's not because students are becoming lazier, stupider, or hornier. It's because people up in Washington and Wall Street, who think like you, are cutting budgets for schools all across the country. Along with that, they constantly rewrite history to fit their needs. So it isn't a surprise that when their communities are bullet-pockmarked and starving, their future is the army or the local gang, and their future is uncertain, but their history textbooks tell them America is the world's best example of democracy, or that capitalism works out fine, or that one the best aspects of the colonization of America and Africa was "European civilization" that students feel disenfranchised and bored and turn to other things. It's not like students are given Marxist books to read in school and plainly refute them. It's much more complicated than how you put it. As a student, I feel very offended by this.

[Klaatu]

I feel very offended by this.

Please don't take offense. I am only beating up on those students that (A) drop out, (B) would rather
get high everyday (during school hours - I was in high school in the 70s, and believe me, there were
a lot of those type.) (C) even now, at the college level, I help many students, most of whom really do
care about their work, and try very hard - but I also have some guys that really don't care. Just last
week, one of my own students couldn't keep his hands off of his text-messaging, and never does his
assignments. He is failing the class - beginning algebra - which isn't all that hard - (everyone has to
take that class) Can't get by, not doing the work.

Again, I apologize if I have offended you. I never meant to include ALL students in my complaint.
I am sure you are a smart, hard-working student. Kudos.

And you are right, students should be taught Marx, etc, in order to get a balanced view. That never
seems to happen in the K-12 classroom in the US.

It is too bad that they cut school budgets. That should always be the last thing to cut (after national defense)

cheers

[Raúl Duke]

Make a college education mandatory for all citizens. Education is the cure for the disease of conservatism and capitalism.
People that vote for neocons are the hoi polloi suffering from what I call "Empty Skull Syndrome." I work performing surveys, some political surveys, and I've discovered a few conservative or moderates who have post-graduate degrees...

Sometimes I think its partially the fault of the media why things are like this. Fox News may be to blame but I put the blame on all Mainstream media.

People seem to think that the only way to be separate/oppose from the Democratic agenda is to be Republican or something similar...

I've heard self-described Republicans/Conservatives say they support a public option (competing with private plans) and other odd statements in the course of conducting my survey.

If the left had more public clout (i.e. were better known) in the past I think things might have been different in this country.

[Klaatu]

Oh yes, there are Republicans that are sensible. They just never make
it on to the news, their voices are not heard, because they are stifled,
drowned out by the mainstream. In all fairness, there are misguided socialists
too. Those that advocate violence, for example. Violence on your fellow
comrade (no matter what his opinion is, is criminal.) Say no to violence!

I am speaking of past Republicans too, when I say this.
Nixon was the last good Republican (who held power.)

[The Vegan Marxist]

Oh yes, there are Republicans that are sensible. They just never make
it on to the news, their voices are not heard, because they are stifled,
drowned out by the mainstream. In all fairness, there are stupid socialists
too. Those that advocate violence, for example. Violence on your fellow
comrade (no matter what his opinion is, is criminal.) Say no to violence!

I am speaking of past Republicans too, when I say this.
Nixon was the last good Republican (who held power.)

I hope you mean violence against one another only, because if you're referring to violence of it's entirety, which also includes revolutionary warfare, I highly doubt seeing that as a stupid choice, but rather a necessary choice.

[RedScare]

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/glenn-beck-attacks-communist-woody-gu

Check this out. I think he's transcended conservative talk show and entered the realm of farce.

[The Vegan Marxist]

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/glenn-beck-attacks-communist-woody-gu

Check this out. I think he's transcended conservative talk show and entered the realm of farce.

I loved how he completely fucked up in explaining the Soviet constitution. Notice how he gives his interpretations of what the constitution said at one time, but then talks about what it became, though never became that since it was that before then too. Beck is just a propagandist who tells half-truths to get his audience entertained & all 'commie-hating'.

[Klaatu]

I hope you mean violence against one another only, because if you're referring to violence of it's entirety, which also includes revolutionary warfare, I highly doubt seeing that as a stupid choice, but rather a necessary choice.

Actually I should have wrote the word "misguided," not "stupid." It should read: In all fairness, there are misguided socialists too. Those that advocate violence, for example. Violence on your fellow comrade (no matter what his opinion is, is criminal.) I changed the word.

Yes I meant our comrades. But a money-stealing capitalist is no friend of mine. I would defend myself against an attack. I've never started a fight, but have not walked away from a fight someone else started, either. One always must defend oneself and one's position in times of threat.
But I don't advocate offensive violence because the winner only proves whose side is physically stronger. A victory does not always prove which side's intellectual ideals are stronger.

I should have made my point more clear.