Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) Discussion

[FreeFocus]

I don't think combat sports, and MMA in particular, are properly appreciated here on RevLeft. So, here's a discussion thread to help spur discussion and hopefully make it more popular.

Some of the sites that I visit for MMA news:

www.sherdog.com

www.bloodyelbow.com (hands down, one of, if not the best MMA blog on the web)

www.mma-core.com (stream videos of matches, the site also links to stream sites for grappling, kickboxing and boxing)

Looking forward to UFC on Versus, Vera/Jones should be a hell of a fight.

[Comrade B]

Dude, I did MMA for a couple weeks, it hurts like a ***** to get into man... I had to quit because it got too hard to get up and do anything the morning after

[LeninBalls]

I used to watch UFC a fuckton but it got somewhat boring, don't really know why.

[FreeFocus]

Dude, I did MMA for a couple weeks, it hurts like a ***** to get into man... I had to quit because it got too hard to get up and do anything the morning after

I do kickboxing now to get myself ready for Muay Thai in a few months, and even this little bit is taxing. I can only imagine what a full program is like, training Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu, maybe judo even. I can't wait though.

[Comrade B]

I eventually had to drop it and just stuck to Okinawan Karate. I did boxing for a couple months, but it isn't particularly talent-taking.... just sort of bashing someone's face in until they bleed enough to want to stop. I wasn't particularly good at that either, resulting in me having to walk around my ordinary life with a smashed up face, got a bit tired of that.

[al8]

MMA is really cool.

[ls]

Some people are just very good at it but, some people get badly hurt just for the money, my old neighbour actually beat someone in less than 30 seconds as an MMA fighter, but even he said it really varies and you can come up against someone incredibly tough who just does their own thing under the umbrella of mixed martial arts.

Anyway, martial arts as a sport doesn't appeal to me, I can see a lot of people enjoy it but I think if you're going to make it a sport, you should have better rules to minimise risk of injury (like in boxing), too much could happen with UFC and it looks tough to judge what you're going up against..

[Comrade B]

My karate school used MMA gear for sparring, the worst you get from that stuff is a bad head ache or a black eye, every now and then someone gets something broken, but that is unpreventable, and usually their own fault.. Boxing is what makes the real mess out of someone.

[FreeFocus]

Some people are just very good at it but, some people get badly hurt just for the money, my old neighbour actually beat someone in less than 30 seconds as an MMA fighter, but even he said it really varies and you can come up against someone incredibly tough who just does their own thing under the umbrella of mixed martial arts.

Anyway, martial arts as a sport doesn't appeal to me, I can see a lot of people enjoy it but I think if you're going to make it a sport, you should have better rules to minimise risk of injury (like in boxing), too much could happen with UFC and it looks tough to judge what you're going up against..

Mixed martial arts has actually proved to be safer when properly regulated than boxing even. Referee stoppages when a fighter is unable to intelligently defend themselves and advance position is very common in MMA, whereas its rarer in boxing - when you get knocked down in boxing, they keep letting you fight. I don't have complaints about that, I appreciate and respect the warrior spirit.

There have been few instances of serious injury and no deaths in MMA, while a boxer just died last week (http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/2/22/1321330/japanese-boxer-hirokazu-yamaki). Here's an interesting article on Punch Drunk syndrome and the dangers inherent in combat sports (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/11/1306031/matt-pitt-explores-dementia).

There are problems with amateur bouts not being properly regulated in a lot of states. Absolutely, this should be criticized - medical staff should be on hand, rules should be enforced, and small promoters should be held to the same standards as the professional organizations. But at the highest levels, its about as safe as a combat sport can be, particularly with competent refereeing.

[ls]

Mixed martial arts has actually proved to be safer when properly regulated than boxing even. Referee stoppages when a fighter is unable to intelligently defend themselves and advance position is very common in MMA, whereas its rarer in boxing - when you get knocked down in boxing, they keep letting you fight. I don't have complaints about that, I appreciate and respect the warrior spirit.

The key being 'when properly regulated', I saw quite a long documentary about a young northern girl from manchester who was into UFC, she had things happen such as being kicked in the side and did not get nor seek any medical attention afterwards, but said her side seriously hurt. She looked incredibly bruised and battered in general - and many of her teeth had been knocked out too, yet she persisted at it for the money, I don't really like seeing stuff like that tbh, she never sought medical attention because she kept saying "nah I just have to get on with it".

I'm not at all saying similar things don't happen in boxing, but I have noticed a tendency for very different things to go on in UFC.


There have been few instances of serious injury and no deaths in MMA, while a boxer just died last week (http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/2/22/1321330/japanese-boxer-hirokazu-yamaki). Here's an interesting article on Punch Drunk syndrome and the dangers inherent in combat sports (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/11/1306031/matt-pitt-explores-dementia).

All true, that guy who died from the blood clot not long ago was a terrible tragedy too, that was thanks to awful refereeing.

There is of course a long list of dead boxers: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/87290.stm, but to some extent I think you have to look after yourself - this should be encouraged in both UFC and boxing.

[quote]There are problems with amateur bouts not being properly regulated in a lot of states. Absolutely, this should be criticized - medical staff should be on hand, rules should be enforced, and small promoters should be held to the same standards as the professional organizations. But at the highest levels, its about as safe as a combat sport can be, particularly with competent refereeing.

Hmm, there have been quite a lot of injuries and some deaths in UFC as well, to me it seems about as safe (at the highest levels) as boxing, which is not a good thing and it needs quite a lot of improvement.

[FreeFocus]

There has never been a single death in the UFC, and unless my memory fails me, none in professional MMA at all. Of course people have been injured in the UFC - Tim Sylvia with a broken arm, Dustin Hazelett with a broken orbital bone, Patrick Cote blowing his knee out (which was a freak accident kind of, he jumped up and came down awkwardly) - but people get injured in every sport (Dirk Nowitzki having teeth lodged into his elbow a few months ago from a collision with another player in the NBA).

About the documentary you referenced with the girl, she wasn't in the UFC as the UFC doesn't have a women's division, it must have been a local promotion, and possibly an amateur organization. At worst, she was engaging in completely unregulated fighting. It is, of course, a sad story, and a testament to why regulatory bodies and organizations need to protect fighters and enforce the rules of the sport.

[ls]

There has never been a single death in the UFC, and unless my memory fails me, none in professional MMA at all. Of course people have been injured in the UFC - Tim Sylvia with a broken arm, Dustin Hazelett with a broken orbital bone, Patrick Cote blowing his knee out (which was a freak accident kind of, he jumped up and came down awkwardly) - but people get injured in every sport (Dirk Nowitzki having teeth lodged into his elbow a few months ago from a collision with another player in the NBA).

Well, I saw a few more but according to sherdog there have been at least two: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/The-Death-of-Douglas-Dedge-10270

Apparently, Dedge had been having serious problems before he died as well, it points to shoddy managing/refereeing and checking in general.


About the documentary you referenced with the girl, she wasn't in the UFC as the UFC doesn't have a women's division, it must have been a local promotion, and possibly an amateur organization. At worst, she was engaging in completely unregulated fighting. It is, of course, a sad story, and a testament to why regulatory bodies and organizations need to protect fighters and enforce the rules of the sport.

Ah, fair enough, she fought an American girl so it was definitely multinational but it was without a doubt an MMA fight with lots of regulation, I'll try to find the documentary again, think it was a BBC Four one.

[FreeFocus]

Fair point on Sam Vasquez, but Dedge was competing in an unregulated event. I won't dispute that refereeing should be top notch, we all want safety for the fighters. Nonetheless, I don't think that one death in the history of regulated MMA is grounds for calling the sport any more dangerous than other combat or contact sports or that it is in desperate need of additional regulation. The sport is growing, it's exciting because we're alive to see the evolution of fighting and the birth of a new sport. It will change, rules will come and go, but we're very lucky, I think.

I'm pumped for WEC 47 this weekend. Let's go Bowles, he's become one of my favorite fighters this past year. Solid skills, very focused, and extremely respectful of the sport and his opponents.

[FreeFocus]

Wow, lots of upsets, plus Jens Pulver looking like he's done. I think he should have retired a while ago, there's no reason to keep dragging on like this..its hard to see a legend at the tail-end of his career.

Torres losing to Benavidez, especially by getting strangled was something I wasn't expecting. Good stuff from Benavidez, overcoming Torres' reach advantage and length.

And Bowles..man. I just hope to see him heal up and come back stronger. I like Cruz too, hard worker, but I don't know. 135 is becoming a real interesting division nowadays.

[Bandito]

I prefer K1

Remy Bonjasky!!!!!!!

http://www.ataryemez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/remy-bonjasky-01.jpg

[Sasha]

it really sucks that because they fall under idiot french broadcasting rules eurosport isnt alowed to show MMA anymore :crying:.
i miss SHOOTO

[FreeFocus]

I prefer K1

Remy Bonjasky!!!!!!!

http://www.ataryemez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/remy-bonjasky-01.jpg

K1 is cool too. How about some Buakaw?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3317/buakawgv8.png

[Bandito]

He's good in Muay Thai, but lacks knowledge in boxing. Remy, on the other hand is good at everything, but light as a feather, so he gets his ass kicked more and more.

[Sasha]

remi isnt so light, he just moves like an lightweight, the guy is 110 kilo's.
i like his style and since he used to train at my gym i will always root for him but being stupid in personal live fucked up his profesional career as well.

and dont underestimate the lightweights anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze3RYJDbqP4

still one of the best K1 knockouts ever.

[Sasha]

back on topic (MMA):

Melvin Manhoef is without a doubt my favorite fighter;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-lA3gfHKI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrRssYWINs&feature=related

he goes in so hard he regularly breakes his own hands, he never fights on half of his strenght.

or likes his shirt says: "er is er maar een de baas hier en dat ben ik" ("there is only one person boss around here, and thats me.")

[FreeFocus]

Lots of respect for Manhoef for sure, he just needs to work on his ground game and his defense (see the Robbie Lawler fight).

GSP looks very focused for Hardy on the Primetime show. Hardy is going to get dismantled.

[FreeFocus]

UFC 112 tomorrow in Abu Dhabi..my predictions:

Silva def. Maia, TKO in Round 2
Penn def. Edgar, submission in Round 4
Hughes def. Gracie, TKO in Round 3

I'm pretty good with my picks, but the most difficult part is picking how the fight will end. :lol:

[FreeFocus]

Wow, what the fuck Anderson Silva?

Also, BJ Penn lost. What the fuck. :blink:

Weird ass event all around..

[GPDP]

Wow, what the fuck Anderson Silva?

I lol'd through the first three rounds, then got bored to tears through the rest. Silva can be a tremendous dick sometimes.

So, how about that GSP vs. Silva match-up? I don't buy White's bullshit about Silva not deserving it, so I think it's definitely gonna happen, and it's a fight I've been wanting to see for a long time.

[Invincible Summer]

GSP vs Silva would be epic as fuck. I only really watch UFC for these guys, so I'd be pretty torn if I had to place bets on a winner.

Although I sort of get why ppl say Silva was being a bit of an ass, I think he was probably trying to give Maia a chance... I mean that guy was totally outclassed. But I guess he should've just ended it quickly and painlessly.

[Terminator X]

Let's bring this discussion back - lots of good fights coming up at UFC 115. Can't wait for Pat Barry vs. Cro Cop. Barry has been one of my favorites for quite some time.

Also interested in Condit vs. MacDonald and Thiago-Kampmann. Yvel-Rothwell should be an absolute slugfest.

Not so interested in seeing Liddell-Franklin, but the old farts might surprise me, who knows.

The fight I'm really looking forward to a couple months from now is Anderson Silva-Chael Sonnen. Can't wait to see Silva KTFO that right-wing scumbag Sonnen.

[FreeFocus]

Yeah, Barry/Cro Cop should be interesting. I'm going to have to take Barry in this one. Cro Cop has been really, really disappointing - it might have something to do with the cage and how it doesn't favor strikers, or he might just be losing it (probably both).

[Terminator X]

I have a feeling Cro Cop gets cut by the UFC if he loses, so I expect him to come out swinging. Barry is more than capable in the stand-up department, though, so he won't be intimidated one bit.

What I'm dying to see is if Barry will make good on his threat to walk out to the Technoviking song. :lol:

[HEAD ICE]

Glad to see Mirko return somehwat back to form (read: actually trying to fight). As for Chuck, I was rooting for him but Rich is right, he does over commit. It is quite amusing that we had two fights that were stopped in the last 10 seconds that awarded the fighter that was going to lose if the round continued. Carlos Condit would have lost a decision, while the doctors would have probably stopped the fight due to Franklin's arm injury.

[Terminator X]

Good event last night, the main event was incredible for me, as I wasn't expecting a knockout that quickly. It was a nice change from the rest of the main card, which nearly all went the full 3 rounds. The Condit fight was fantastic, and I enjoyed the Cro Cop fight as well. Like I said earlier, I'm a Barry fan, but I have to give Mirko a lot of credit. He finished the fight with authority and going for the rear naked in that situation was incredibly smart. Also good to see the guys laughing and hugging in the middle of the first round - two guys who obviously genuinely love what they do. :thumbup1:

[FreeFocus]

Props to Cro Cop. I'm happy to see him win, but I hope he takes this and retires.

Not surprised by Chuck at all. He should also retire - he's done a ton for the sport, although he isn't one of my favorite fighters.

I was very, very impressed by Rory Macdonald. Overall, it was a real solid card.

[FreeFocus]

Fedor lost to Werdum..this is unbelievable. What an upset.

[FreeFocus]

The big plus tonight was seeing Leben/Akiyama, that was a great fight. Other thoughts:

Fuck Brock Lesnar.
Fuck Brock Lesnar.
Fuck Brock Lesnar.

Sadly, I don't see Cain giving Brock a big challenge. Cain's stand-up is crisp, and I could see him winning on points IF he didn't have to worry about the takedown. I don't see Cain being able to defend the takedown against Brock.

If Carwin didn't gas, he'd be champ. DAMN IT MAN.

[Bubbles]

Lesnar really have to learn how to box.

Does anyone know if Alexander Gustafsson have any more fights contracted in the UFC?

[727Goon]

Fuck Brock Lesnar? Fuck GSP's cheating ass.

[MilitantWorker]

he's fighting my boy Diabate at 120, methinks

[FreeFocus]

Fuck Brock Lesnar? Fuck GSP's cheating ass.

What evidence do you have for this assertion? Are you talking about the grease? If so, I agree that was a problem, but it was Phil Nurse's fault, not GSP's. Not to mention, they did wipe GSP down. BJ wouldn't have won that fight anyway because GSP had a very good gameplan. Plus, BJ didn't come in shape like he should have.

[Saramago]

well for the next event in the ufc, i hope that anderson silva show some good stuff like he is able to do, instead of being shitting around all the time like in his last fight...

lets see that we got

[Ele'ill]

eUcinq1xxes

[Sasha]

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good fighter but he only fights K-1/kickboxing not MMA as far as i know

[Terminator X]

So, did anyone happen to catch that body slam knockout (Sarah Kaufman over Roxanne Modafferi) in Strikeforce last night?

Holy shit.

[FreeFocus]

Yeah, Kaufman is a real solid fighter. Impressive stuff, although Modaferri should've known to either hook the leg or bail on the submission attempt once she got lifted up.

[MilitantWorker]

Iron Mike Zambidis! Dude is a beast!!!

[MilitantWorker]

So, did anyone happen to catch that body slam knockout (Sarah Kaufman over Roxanne Modafferi) in Strikeforce last night?

Holy shit.

nice finish! ouch is correct...also!...sad that Toehill errr Toughill couldn't make the cut to fight I really like her and saw her stand-up skills (former professional boxer) as a legitimate threat to the beast cyborgs streak

[727Goon]

What evidence do you have for this assertion? Are you talking about the grease? If so, I agree that was a problem, but it was Phil Nurse's fault, not GSP's. Not to mention, they did wipe GSP down. BJ wouldn't have won that fight anyway because GSP had a very good gameplan. Plus, BJ didn't come in shape like he should have.

Shit even if he wasnt cheating with the grease thing which is up to debate, I still find his goofy french-canadian ass lame as fuck.

[FreeFocus]

I'm excited to see Jon Jones fight tonight. Gomi/Griffin should be great too.

[welshexile1963]

I love MMA and watch the UFC a lot, I used to do quite a bit of Martial Arts.

[IndependentCitizen]

I do MMA :D

Training in BJJ, and Muay Thai

[FreeFocus]

Wow, this needs to be revived. Why the hell was this on the second page?

GSP put on a clinic against Kos. Very disappointed that Kos didn't try to work for takedowns; I was rooting for GSP but wanted a more competitive fight.

Alves also looked tremendous tonight. Surprised Oliveira lost too.

[Sasha]

Anyone see overeem win the k1 this weekend? Double title with strikeforce now.
Congrats to him although I would have loved if peter earts could have put up a better fight. The way he, fucking 40 years old !, destroyed sem schilt in the half final. Fucking hell what an hero.
Although he said already after the fight that maybe next year he should do an superfight and.not the tournamnent because "its hard to fight an final if you are already pissing blood", wow!

[FreeFocus]

Anyone see overeem win the k1 this weekend? Double title with strikeforce now.
Congrats to him although I would have loved if peter earts could have put up a better fight. The way he, fucking 40 years old !, destroyed sem schilt in the half final. Fucking hell what an hero.
Although he said already after the fight that maybe next year he should do an superfight and.not the tournamnent because "its hard to fight an final if you are already pissing blood", wow!

Yeah, Ubereem is ridiculous. Amazing performance in K-1.

[RedSonRising]

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[RedSonRising]

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Thought this kick was really cool, though the way he puts his foot against the cage makes me wonder if it was staged! Probably not, but still odd.

[FreeFocus]

The kick was amazing, but the entire fight was just great. Top 3 FOTY without a doubt, maybe the FOTY.

People were speculating that it was staged but it's very unlikely. Why would Henderson give up a title shot, the money that comes with increased exposure, etc? He's a competitor. It wouldn't make much sense. Not to mention, he will live in infamy as the guy who got dropped by Pettis' ninja kick.

[FreeFocus]

Stun Gun's fucking boring ass. Good grappler but damn. Diaz would've kicked his ass if Kim didn't just take him down and lay on him.

[FreeFocus]

FUCK, Brian Stann won. Definitely don't like that guy at all, Iraq vet, and they love to play up American imperialism and militarism in MMA. Fuck this card man, it's been pretty boring and shitty so far. Ugh.

[FreeFocus]

Never thought I would say this, but Edgar/Maynard saved the card. Awesome fight, and a bullshit draw. I had it 48-46 Maynard.

[Ele'ill]

Here's a bit of an offtopic question that wouldn't fit in any other thread (and I didn't want to create one yet) but I was wondering how many of you follow the NHL or other hockey leagues around the world.

I see that Chris Neil (as seen in my avatar) fought Colton Orr last night. About to watch the video right now. The Philadelphia Flyers play in 20 minutes. :thumbup1:

[FreeFocus]

Here's a bit of an offtopic question that wouldn't fit in any other thread (and I didn't want to create one yet) but I was wondering how many of you follow the NHL or other hockey leagues around the world.

I see that Chris Neil (as seen in my avatar) fought Colton Orr last night. About to watch the video right now. The Philadelphia Flyers play in 20 minutes. :thumbup1:

I don't follow hockey really, I already keep up with too many other sports :lol:. It's a cool sport though, and the fights are a plus :lol:

Back to MMA though..THE LOOK IN CHUCK'S EYES!

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Glad to see Chuck retiring though. I never was a fan, but he helped advance the sport and he's saving himself from bad damage.

[FreeFocus]

Belfort and Silva tonight. The staredowns this past week got me super excited. Shit's going down tonight!

[apawllo]

pretty sure jon jones is gonna take over the light heavyweight division for years to come. rashad should probably just drop down to middleweight if he truthfully doesn't want that fight.

[FreeFocus]

Wow. End of an era last night... RIP FEDOR, you will be missed.

[apawllo]

For real. Werdum's saying he needs to train in the US. MMA had advanced since he started, and he's definitely aged, but who knows...

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Dana has been talking trash too...pff

[Terminator X]

Anybody ever watch Bellator Fighting Championships?

I just recently started following this promotion and they put on some absolutely ruthless shows. They air every single Saturday night on MTV2.

Tonight's show is off to a crazy start, with quite possibly the bloodiest fight I've ever seen. Ben Saunders just beat Matt Sung Lee into a bloody pulp. Doctor's stoppage due to Lee's face looking like a pile of ground beef.

[Terminator X]

And now a flying knee KO from Patricky Freire of Toby Imada. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Epically violent card so far.

[FreeFocus]

I watched yesterday too but I missed the Saunders fight. Surely it couldn't have been bloodier than Penn/Stevenson? lol.

I wanted to watch when they started up back in 2009 but they were on a station I didn't have and also came on at a bad time for me. A little disappointed Alvarez wasn't able to finish but you can't finish every fight. I also lol'd when he did that dumb ass hop in the last round and got taken down off of it.

[Delenda Carthago]

Havent read anything, but I guess comrade Jeff is already mentioned.

So I ll just add my two pieces on my crush...

AXCPEl9rtS8

FTW...

[Sturmovik]

Strikeforce delivered once again.

So glad Aoki won... Shame about the shitty decision for Gegard... Jardine did NOTHING with those takedowns, nothing at all. Gegard messed him up.

[Terminator X]

Yeah, it was an epic Strikeforce card. I still hate Nick Diaz with a burning passion, though. I might hate Daley even more. It was hard rooting for anyone in that fight. That's why I loved it though - both of those guys got the shit knocked out of them at one point or another.

How Mousasi didn't win that fight is beyond me. He must not have been throwing hard, because Jardine has a paper chin and got tagged a bunch of times.

[Delenda Carthago]

Iron Mike Zambidis! Dude is a beast!!!
fuckin yeah!

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[stella2010]

i got injured in MMA, but can still run a marathon and throw a knife into a neck.


here is theme song for MMA......."try it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRWKEG11LFs

[stella2010]

watchout for the corpoRAT

[IndependentCitizen]

Havent read anything, but I guess comrade Jeff is already mentioned.

So I ll just add my two pieces on my crush...

AXCPEl9rtS8

FTW...

Gina is awesome. Someone from my old gym trained with her whilst she was over in the U.S. A down to Earth, and brilliant fighter!

Something about female MMA makes it more exciting, they seem to fight more. Show more aggression, and technical skills, it's a huge game of chest. And it's a shame it's not as big as the male scene.

[southernmissfan]

What do y'all think of UFC 129 coming up on the 30th?

[Delenda Carthago]

fuckin yeah!

iCBMaH7rH6s
Shit, it got deleted the same day!FAIL!:cursing:


So, about Zambidis, dont mind him. He's dancing with the stars!:lol:

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[FreeFocus]

What do y'all think of UFC 129 coming up on the 30th?

Should be a great night of fights. I don't think Shields has the wrestling to take GSP down, at least not consistently, and his grappling is probably overrated. Mayhem almost tapped him and I think GSP has stronger grappling skills than Mayhem does.

I'm also pumped for Aldo/Hominick. I wonder how Aldo will deal with Hominick's solid boxing/fast hands. People are saying they want to see Aldo's world-class BJJ, but is this the fight to showcase it? Hominick doesn't exactly have strong grappling so it wouldn't be a strong statement.

[Terminator X]

UFC 129 has the potential to be a huge letdown. Seems like the cards that get hyped up the most end up being complete shit, plus neither St. Pierre nor Shields are the world's most exciting fighters.

However, I'm definitely looking forward to the Aldo fight, as well as the Diaz-MacDonald matchup. Not looking forward to watching Couture dry-hump Machida for 15 minutes, though (although if this is indeed Couture's last fight, it will have some sentimental appeal).

[Ballyfornia]

rex kwon do beats all!!!!

[Terminator X]

Check out this vicious knockout Hector Lombard delivered last night at Bellator 44 (this is the definition of "knocked out on your feet"):

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[FreeFocus]

Lombard has some sick, sick knockout power. I wish we could see him fight in the UFC but his window for competing in his prime is closing.

[Terminator X]

Looking forward to the Strikeforce event tonight, mainly so I can cheer on Jeff Monson. The man definitely gets it:


"I'm like everybody else. I live in a capitalist system, so that's what I have to do. ... I may not like it or agree it, but that's our society. I'm trying to change it, but I'm not a hypocrite either. I know that I have to earn money to pay bills. I just happen to have a job that I enjoy, and I do feel blessed. If I could make any job for myself, this would be one of them.

"At the same time, these people paying me to fight, they're making a hell of a lot more off the fighters than they're paying them. They're doing it to make a profit. In essence, they're stealing from me. It's like someone working in a shoe factory making shoes, that person doesn't get paid what those shoes are worth. They get paid a fraction of it. They get paid the minimum they can get paid and stay living and employed and keep them from quitting. They're wage slaves, just like I'm a wage slave."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/06/16/an-anarchist-looks-at-40/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl4|sec1_lnk3|71161

[RedSonRising]

Anyone see Fedor get knocked out? I'm not really an MMA fan but I tuned in to see the fight due to his reputation (and of course I gave him the benefit of the doubt as a past-prime fighter in my expectations.)

http://imgboot.com/images/kohler/danhendersonstopsfedoremelianenkostrikeforcebig.gi f

Still don't really know what I saw though; that was a sweet little wrestling move to reverse the position and land a big blow from behind, but the whole time it looked like a bar fight ready to end at any moment. Maybe I'm just nitpicking as a pure boxing fan, but it just seemed so up to chance. Oh well, I'm not here to offend anyone as a fan of the sport like a prick, just saying my thoughts and wondered who else got to see "the greatest mma fighter ever" receive another indication that he is on his way out to retirement.

[Commissar Rykov]

Anyone see Fedor get knocked out? I'm not really an MMA fan but I tuned in to see the fight due to his reputation (and of course I gave him the benefit of the doubt as a past-prime fighter in my expectations.)

http://imgboot.com/images/kohler/danhendersonstopsfedoremelianenkostrikeforcebig.gi f

Still don't really know what I saw though; that was a sweet little wrestling move to reverse the position and land a big blow from behind, but the whole time it looked like a bar fight ready to end at any moment. Maybe I'm just nitpicking as a pure boxing fan, but it just seemed so up to chance. Oh well, I'm not here to offend anyone as a fan of the sport like a prick, just saying my thoughts and wondered who else got to see "the greatest mma fighter ever" receive another indication that he is on his way out to retirement.
Fedor is past his prime just like Crocop and needs to retire as they are only going to get seriously injured at this point. Fedor in his prime was easily one of the best heavyweights in the MMA world.
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[Meridian]

Looking forward to the Strikeforce event tonight, mainly so I can cheer on Jeff Monson. The man definitely gets it:



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"We walk out of the ring, and the fight should be over"

Haven't really followed MMA but this made me a fan.

[Terminator X]

Anyone see Fedor get knocked out? I'm not really an MMA fan but I tuned in to see the fight due to his reputation (and of course I gave him the benefit of the doubt as a past-prime fighter in my expectations.)

Still don't really know what I saw though; that was a sweet little wrestling move to reverse the position and land a big blow from behind, but the whole time it looked like a bar fight ready to end at any moment. Maybe I'm just nitpicking as a pure boxing fan, but it just seemed so up to chance. Oh well, I'm not here to offend anyone as a fan of the sport like a prick, just saying my thoughts and wondered who else got to see "the greatest mma fighter ever" receive another indication that he is on his way out to retirement.

Fedor is completely washed up at this point. I've never considered him the greatest MMA fighter ever (mainly because he never fought in the UFC). He made his reputation by winning a lot vs. second-rate fighters. As you can see now, when he fights decent guys (Henderson, Werdum, Silva) he gets worked over. That shot that Henderson caught him with was wicked though, I've never seen a guy reverse position like that and be able to have the strength to deliver a knockout-level uppercut from that position. Funny that Fedor thought it was an "early stoppage" by the ref. He did a faceplant straight into the canvas. Nothing early about that.