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Revy
25th February 2010, 00:27
link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/voodooists-attacked-pelte_n_473994.html)

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Angry crowds in a seaside slum attacked a group of Voodoo practitioners Tuesday, pelting them with rocks and halting a ceremony meant to honor victims of last month's deadly earthquake.


Voodooists gathered in Cite Soleil where thousands of quake survivors live in tents and depend on food aid. Praying and singing, the group was trying to conjure spirits to guide lost souls when a crowd of Evangelicals started shouting. Some threw rocks while others urinated on Voodoo symbols. When police left, the crowd destroyed the altars and Voodoo offerings of food and rum.


"We were here preparing for prayer when these others came and took over," said Sante Joseph, an Evangelical worshipper in Cite Soleil, near the capital's port, who joined the angry crowd in a concrete outdoor civic center.
Tensions have been running high since the Jan. 12 earthquake killed an estimated 200,000 people and left more than 1 million homeless. More than 150 machete-wielding men attacked a World Food Program convoy Monday on the road between Haiti's second-largest city of Cap-Haitien and Port-au-Prince. There were no injuries but Chilean peacekeepers could not prevent the men from stealing the food, UN spokesman Michel Bonnardeaux said.
Religious tension has also increased: Baptists, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, Mormons and other missionaries have flocked to Haiti in droves since the earthquake to feed the homeless, treat the injured and jockey for souls. Some Voodoo practitioners have said they've converted to Christianity for fear they will lose out on aid or a belief that the earthquake was a warning from God.


"Much of this has to do with the aid coming in," said Max Beauvoir, a Voodoo priest and head of a Voodoo association. "Many missionaries oppose Voodoo. I hope this does not start a war of religions because many of our practitioners are being harassed now unlike any other time that I remember."
Voodoo, or Vodou as preferred by Haitians, evolved in the 17th century when the French brought slaves to Haiti from West Africa. Slaves forced to practice Catholicism remained loyal to their African spirits in secret by adopting Catholic saints to coincide with African spirits, and today many Haitians consider themselves followers of both religions. Voodoo's followers believe in reincarnation, one God and a pantheon of spirits. Voodoo leaders say that although they do not believe in evil spirits, some followers pray for the spirits to do evil.


"There's absolutely a heightened spiritual conflict between Christianity and Voodoo since the quake," said Pastor Frank Amedia of the Miami-based Touch Heaven Ministries who has been distributing food in Haiti and proselytizing.
"We would give food to the needy in the short term but if they refused to give up Voodoo, I'm not sure we would continue to support them in the long term because we wouldn't want to perpetuate that practice. We equate it with witchcraft, which is contrary to the Gospel."

A magnitude-4.7 quake, meanwhile, rattled the capital at 1:26 a.m. (0626 GMT) Tuesday, followed by a smaller aftershock whose magnitude was still unknown, said Eric Calais, a geophysicist from Purdue University who is studying seismic activity in Haiti.
A magnitude-4.7 aftershock struck Monday, followed by two other small tremors. Both Tuesday's quake and Monday's aftershock struck near the epicenter of the Jan. 12 quake. The U.S. Geological Survey in Colorado usually detects Haitian quakes of magnitude 4 and above, but smaller tremors often are not detected due to a lack of seismometers in Haiti.


Some walls that had toppled in last month's quake spilled onto the street Tuesday and damaged telephone polls split in half. There were no reports of injuries.


"It feels like the Earth is shaking all the time since last month," said Ermithe Josephe, 48, who is still sleeping outside in a tent next to her crumpled house. "We can't sleep with all of these aftershocks and we're too afraid to go to work sometimes."


Last month's earthquake occurred along the east-west Enriquillo Fault, where two pieces of the Earth's crust slide by each other in opposite directions. The USGS said Tuesday there is between a 5 percent and 15 percent probability that another magnitude-7 quake would occur on the Enriquillo in the next 50 years.

¿Que?
25th February 2010, 01:46
The sad thing is, there really aren't any comparable number of socialist or socialist organizations flocking to Haiti to help out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Wolf Larson
25th February 2010, 02:12
There's always a string attached with the Christians. They can't just help a person for the sake of helping. The incessant and pious proselytizing is what turns so many people off other than the fact god doesn't exist. White mans burden in the 21'st century. Silly Christians and their insanity. I've often wondered what keeps them from killing themselves if they really believe heaven awaits.

They even kidnapped some kids from Haiti. Instead of simply giving the parents money they took the children. Disgusting.

Wolf Larson
25th February 2010, 02:13
The sad thing is, there really aren't any comparable number of socialist or socialist organizations flocking to Haiti to help out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

We don't have money ourselves AND there have been socialist organizations in Haiti. The US government has overthrown every socialistic politician who has tried to implement policies beneficial to workers. Many of us are also calling for World Bank/IMF to write off the debt. The situation in Haiti was created by the US and other western nations [France] World bank/IMF and the CIA. It's another capitalist crisis. What we all need to fight against is the strings attached to the so called aid money. It will end up in just another neoliberal structural adjustment if we don't pay close attention and keep Haiti on the forefront.

EDIT- I should elaborate. The conditions prior to the earthquake in Haiti were created by the US. Massive poverty which equated to shotty building materials, no public infrastructure which would have saved tens of thousands of lives ie roads, hospitals, emergency response teams etc. The death in Haiti is the result of western nations subjugating the entire nation of Haiti under the oppressive boot of neoliberal economics. Capitalists, as always, blame it on the Haitians being an inferior race [in their eyes].

Tatarin
25th February 2010, 02:46
The sad thing is, there really aren't any comparable number of socialist or socialist organizations flocking to Haiti to help out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Considering anything remotely close to socialism will be called "invasion" or compared to help from Adolf Hitler himself, no, it's not so strange. I wouldn't be surprised if Cuba and Venezuela already sent doctors, or if the government of Haiti has declined their help. It wouldn't be reported anyway. And consider that Haiti is already a UN (read: capitalist) protectorate...

Just take the recent death of that guy who criticized the Cuban government. When will they make that kind of a picture from the person who criticizes the US? Or China? In short, help will be blocked or simply ignored.

Lacrimi de Chiciură
25th February 2010, 02:53
Considering anything remotely close to socialism will be called "invasion" or compared to help from Adolf Hitler himself, no, it's not so strange. I wouldn't be surprised if Cuba and Venezuela already sent doctors, or if the government of Haiti has declined their help. It wouldn't be reported anyway. And consider that Haiti is already a UN (read: capitalist) protectorate...

Just take the recent death of that guy who criticized the Cuban government. When will they make that kind of a picture from the person who criticizes the US? Or China? In short, help will be blocked or simply ignored.

I believe there were already something like 400 Cuban doctors in Haiti at the time of the earthquake, running clinics. Although there is certainly more now. If you recall, the U$ imperialists even prevented aid from France from coming in as they moved in thousands of Marines, so of course Cuba and Venezuela have had some difficulties getting aid in because of that.

Ligeia
25th February 2010, 07:26
I believe there were already something like 400 Cuban doctors in Haiti at the time of the earthquake, running clinics. Although there is certainly more now. If you recall, the U$ imperialists even prevented aid from France from coming in as they moved in thousands of Marines, so of course Cuba and Venezuela have had some difficulties getting aid in because of that.
There are 520 venezuelans and some 1000 cubans in health camps in Haiti (data of 09/02/10). There has also been build spaces for recreational activities for children, classes for the formation of work for adults, and there've been distributed 7000 tons of aliments, and there have been sent engineers and builders who work together with haitians of the same branch. They also sent some combustibles. Undocumented haitians in Venezuela are also not illegal anymore, so that they can visit Haiti if they want to.
Everyday 100 tons of help are sent through an airlift, as well.(according 09/02/10).
And yes it's true, Cuba already had health and educational workers before the earthquake in Haiti, but sent gradually more.
Well, Cuba asked the U.S. for the usage of their air space to help, and I guess Venezuela did something similar.

Martin Blank
25th February 2010, 08:58
The sad thing is, there really aren't any comparable number of socialist or socialist organizations flocking to Haiti to help out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Some of us have been working with the Miami Workers' Center to collect funds that are going to Batay Ouvriye, a revolutionary union in Haiti that is organizing workers' aid and relief. Some other self-described socialist groups are collecting on behalf of the pro-Lavalas (pro-Aristide) IFCO group.

On the subject at hand, it's not surprising that the Christians are demanding conversion as part of their "charity" work. They've been demanding conversion to their religious cults wherever they do their work; it's just that, in most cases, they're doing it in places where Christianity is already the dominant religion. Just try getting help from a Christian charity if you're an atheist and see how well you do.

Invincible Summer
25th February 2010, 09:08
Christians: the IMF of the religious world.

eyedrop
25th February 2010, 11:16
According to libertarians (free-marketeer kind) that isn't coercing someone to convert. So no worries.

manic expression
25th February 2010, 11:21
The sad thing is, there really aren't any comparable number of socialist or socialist organizations flocking to Haiti to help out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2010/enero/juev14/Cuba-Haiti.html

The fundamental difference between working-class aid, as shown by Cuba, and reactionary "aid", as shown by the US imperialist occupation and their bible-peddling agents, only further underlines the promise of socialist revolution for all the world to see.