Children need liberation from fascist parents

[LeninistKing]

This is just my 2 cents, i think that another group that needs liberation in a more just world are children. Because in the capitalist system, many parents abuse their own children psychologically and physically. So i think that the youth in general, and specially children who are physically weak and unable to deffend themselves from fascist abusive evil parents, also need some sort of liberation from the chains and slavery of the capitalist fascistic families where parents beat up, children

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[Dimentio]

It is true that many children are abused by their parents or by other adults, but that is hardly the general rule (except in societies where male and female circumcision is widely employed). What do you propose? Some sort of communist revolutionary party for children? Or more state intervention?

The solution to the abuse of children in our society is 1. increased quality of life, 2. more free time to adults, so they could spend more time looking after their children and the children of others, thus minimising the risk for abuse.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Well, LeninistKing, you said it yourself, that these are parents of Capitalism. So, in my opinion, the best way of helping these children, & the parents as well, would be to end Capitalism. Family values is just another element tied in with the Capitalist exploitations, & so we must treat it as such.

[Robocommie]

Bizarre. Any proper worker's state will involve a properly funded and well structured child welfare department. Since a lot of child abuse comes from economically broken homes (though certainly not all) some of the occurences from this will be reduced by the socialist struggle against poverty. The rest will be handled by social workers and child welfare advocates.

I don't think that needs to be seen as some kind of revolutionary liberation though. That's just common decency, the communal society taking care of itself.

Also, LeninistKing, you use the term fascist entirely too much.

[Wolf Larson]

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCT7h-jwCWA

[The Red Next Door]

anyone and i MEAN ANYONE can abuse their children.

[FreeFocus]

I think child abuse and manipulation has less to do with capitalism in particular and more to do with hierarchy and the fact that most children are unable to physically defend themselves. We need to build social institutions that allow children to have more control over their lives, especially when they reach the point where they can determine and articulate their interests. Of course, capitalism plays a role in disallowing this, but to attribute the entire problem to capitalism is incorrect.

[Steve_j]

Because in the capitalist system, many parents abuse their own children psychologically and physically.

So under the soviet system which i assume you believe to have been socialist (which i gather from your name) people didnt abuse their children?

[Wanted Man]

From my experiences, it is a general rule.

Won't give more informations though...

How can one person's experiences be the general rule?

[Muzk]

How can one person's experiences be the general rule?


How can someone saying "general rule" without backing it with some evidence say it is the general rule?

[Lord Testicles]

How can someone "say" it's a general rule when they are typing?

[which doctor]

This is one of those things where we really can't imagine the full range of possibilities until we are actually in a communist society. Who knows what options we'll have for child rearing in a communist society. I don't think we can even begin to plan what this will look like, because capitalism has stunted our imaginations far too much. The same goes for things like sexual liberation, actual sexual liberation is not possible until communism, therefore things like child liberation, sexual liberation, women's liberation, must be treated within the framework of moving towards socialist revolution.

[LeninistKing]

Cuba, Venezuela and USSR are capitalists. Well from my own personal view, the only socialist systems have been Paris Commune, and the short-lived Bolshevik-Government and even the Bolshevik-Government couldn't be 100% socialism

From my own knowledge of Socialism, i think that for a country to be socialist 2 things need to happen: Workers need to be the president, vice-president, congress-members, and political leaders of that country. And all businesses would need to be owned by workers.

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So under the soviet system which i assume you believe to have been socialist (which i gather from your name) people didnt abuse their children?

[Uppercut]

Cuba, Venezuela and USSR are capitalists
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Cuba is not capitalist. Venezuela is more of a social democracy, and I would say the USSR developed state capitalism and social imperialism under Kruschev, which were expanded on by Brezhnev.

But to stay on topic, I don't think it's fair to blame all accounts of child abuse on Capitalism. It's true poverty can create tension between parents and children, but child abuse can happen in any country, under any system. Of course, I believe socialism can minimize it. But even a socialist state can't fix everything.

[punisa]

As much as I'd love to think that capitalism is the problem of ALL problems. In this case, the truth is rather bitter - child abuse has been going on for centuries in a disgusting way, and it still is today.

I don't see anyone mentioning religion here? Which surely contributed to millions of children being abused.
Any ex-Catholics around? Virgin birth? Unless you were born by a virgin (and you aint) then you were born is sin, thus you suck and parents might beet you because of it (happened in history in Europe)

Another thing worth mentioning is sexual abuse by parents and close relatives, this is so incredibility widespread that it's scary. Raw statistics shows that at least couple of us on this thread had been sexually abused as a child.
Sometimes this happens so early that a child doesn't even remember it later on, but trauma remains in subconscious.

I support radical interventionism by whoever/whatever will rule the future communist society.
I also believe bad things in parenting could be minimized by raising awareness, but this would never work in capitalism because of a simple factor - lack of time.

Anyway, I encourage everyone to read this:
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html

It's not strictly a "revolutionary content", but provides many interesting details.
If you want, you can read and comment on it back here :)

[Tifosi]

Using your kids to make money is nothing new. It is a very big problem in poorer countrys as children are needed to work in the fields, in the mines and where ever else. Children are also needed to look after their parents in later life in poor countrys and countrys like America as their is poor health. That is one of the main reason's why countrys like India have higher birth rates than Italy. It is a Capitalist problem for sure

As punisa said relgion plays a big part in over population and child abuse. The Catholic Church hates condoms so poor uneducated people in Nigera are going to have kids. The Catholic Church doesn't give any other oppsiations to these people expect you will burn in hell if you have sex with rubber on your dick. Then as we all know presits like little boys.


The solution to the abuse of children in our society is 1. increased quality of life, 2. more free time to adults, so they could spend more time looking after their children and the children of others, thus minimising the risk for abuse.

Agree

(sorry about spelling:lol:)

[bricolage]

Well from my own personal view, the only socialist systems have been Paris Commune, and the short-lived Bolshevik-Government and even the Bolshevik-Government couldn't be 100% socialism

And the Paris Commune even less so. It was a radical project in decentralised authority and direct democracy and yes you probably could trace back elements of socialist practice to it but to say it was socialist is a vast overstatement. Even Marx (and Lenin, Trotsky, Bakunin etc etc) recognised this, 'the majority of the Commune was in no wise socialist, nor could it be'.

[pranabjyoti]

As far as I know, there is laws in some countries where a child can complain to police against his/her parents for abusing him/her. Is it true?

[Muzk]

As far as I know, there is laws in some countries where a child can complain to police against his/her parents for abusing him/her. Is it true?

Would it really be a better life in the hands of the government?


On top of that, many children who suffer from abuse(be it sexual, mentally or physically) are too intimidated to stand up against these things.

15.02.2010
21:53:19
Bernardo Galker - As a slave, being able to choose who your master is doesn't make you free. - Arrested since birth.
Revolution!
Judging by the objectives of the Trotskiyites I know, that they're more focused with things like the abolition of family and cooking at home than the emancipation of the proletariat.

[redwog]

We are all somewhat abused purely through the process of parental discipline. So the abused are not a special category in this discussion, they are the evidence of the worst symptoms of the bourgeois, patriarchal, nuclear family model

Such an undemocratic and centrally controlled process of socialisation is more a reflection on the material conditions and the practice of the state than on any organic or natural tendencies. The family serves a particular material function of social reproduction.

Working class parents are socialising (often unconsciously) their children to function under capitalism not to change it. As a result they work to domesticate otherwise wild children and in doing so, fuck us all up. Occasionally some resistant politics may rub off, from overt anti-capitalism to less developed hatred for cops or the state.

This can only be changed as part of wider social change that alters the notion of family from an alienated and atomised institution which enables violence to a collective and community-based approach based upon childhood growth, exploration and cooperation, where we are all responsible for raising all of the kids we come into contact with.

[Frank Zapatista]

This is just my 2 cents, i think that another group that needs liberation in a more just world are children. Because in the capitalist system, many parents abuse their own children psychologically and physically. So i think that the youth in general, and specially children who are physically weak and unable to deffend themselves from fascist abusive evil parents, also need some sort of liberation from the chains and slavery of the capitalist fascistic families where parents beat up, children

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I find it annoying when people use the term Fascism like this. Fascism is an actual political system yet from lurking around here Ive seen a lot of you using the term for whoever you dislike. Obama isnt a Fascist hes a Liberal, Bush wasnt a Fascist he was a Conservative. Fascism is a political ideology not a branch term for all Capitalists.