US Media & Obama Lying About Iran

[Outinleftfield]

I posted this in the thread "Should Iran possess nuclear weapons?" but felt that this deserved to be a topic itself.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-iran-possess-t129671/index2.html

I find it extremely unlikely that Iran is building nuclear weapons.

Why? The media's lied about this before. Remember Iraq? If you look at everything surrounding Iran both the media and the government exaggerate over everything, but the public doesn't notice because they're all too busy watching American Idol to go online and research these issues themselves.

For example, when I heard Ahmadinejad reported as saying he wanted Israel wiped off the map the first thing I thought was "was he speaking English when he said that? "wiping off the map" is an English metaphor do they really use the same one in Farsi and does it mean the same thing?" So I did some research and it turns out that he was mistranslated.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025)

He really said "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad" literally translates as "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

In the context of the whole speech where he compares this to the Soviet Union and to the former Iranian regime its clear he's not talking about destroying Israel physically. He's not even talking about Iran taking any action. He's talking about what he views as the inevitable end of the Israeli government.

To be fair an Iranian ministry started the mistranslation by mistake. But when they corrected it nobody in the US media reported it and people in the political establishment keep referring to it even though they must have read up on this stuff enough to know they are lying. Keep that in mind. Everytime a world leader or close advisor refers to Ahmadinejad saying he wants "wipe Israel off the face of the map" or worse "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" he's lying and he knows it. This is against the law for people in government to knowingly spread lies to start wars.

Obama is among these liars.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-C...Citizen-action (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m11d20-Obama-aggress-for-war-Media-echoes-lie-Iran-threatens-to-wipe-Israel-off-the-map-Citizen-action)

Furthermore, Khameini, Iran's "Supreme Leader" holds the real power including total power of its nuclear energy program. He issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons in 2005.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...350/index.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/10/iran.iaea.1350/index.html)

He is powerful but not all-powerful. The Assembly of Experts, which is lead by reformist Rafsanjani overseas the Supreme Leader and has the power to dismiss him. In an islamic theocracy violating his own fatwa, a clear act of religious hypocrisy would be a strong pretext for dismissal, because his office is considered not just political but religious. He'd probably even be charged with violating a number of religious laws and thrown in prison. Would Khameini commit political suicide just to get nuclear weapons for Iran?

To think I trusted Obama, even campaigned for him. I'm disgusted with him now. He knowingly continues to perpetuate lies instead of setting the record straight. I'm sure he's privy to this information that some quick research by your average citizen can find. He knows Iran isn't building nuclear weapons, but he wants the public to think they are anyways. He's the worst kind of fear-mongering politician. And people are distracted from this, because his most vocal critics are yelling about him "not being an American citizen" and saying other easily disproven garbage instead of complaining about the real issues. If McCain was president the truth about Iran would've already circulated among Democrats. Kucinich would have filed papers to impeach him. There would be protests. But all the Democrats think he's the liberal messiah whose going to save us from evil, so they don't question what he says. They don't look and try to find things out. They just go along with everything. It disgusts me.

Educate yourselves. Its discouraging me to see people on this site that actually believe the media and the politician's lies.

[LeninistKing]

You have to use your common sense and not trust all leftists. Many leftists are left-gatekeepers who work for CIA and NSA. I think that the leftists of this site or any other group, party or site that deffends CNN, FOX news and the US government's statement on 9-11, Iran, JFK, or any other false-flag done by the US government are left-gatekeepers and CIA shills. Like Alexander Cockburn from Counterpunch.org who said that JFK was not killed by CIA. These left-gatekeepers are hired by the US government as controlled opposition and to infiltrate authentic revolutionary organizations.

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Educate yourselves. Its discouraging me to see people on this site that actually believe the media and the politician's lies.

[khad]

USA is a puppet state of Isra-hell. USA is owned and controlled by zionist jews via the jewish lobby.
You're talking like an idiot. You do realize that the entire point of Mearsheimer's "Israel lobby" thesis was to exonerate Bush from wrongdoing, since he was merely a puppet, so to speak, right?

I would hope that as a claimed leftist you would have a more systemic view of geopolitics. The United States would be fucking over the Middle East with or without the intervention of Israel. The 1956 coup in Iran was a perfect example.

Besides, some of the most powerful Zionists aren't even Israelis or even Jews.

[the last donut of the night]

USA is owned and controlled by zionist jews via the jewish lobby.

Sorry, but this just isn't true. The US is not controlled by the 'Jewish lobby' and Zionists don't run Senate. In fact, most people that support Zionist actions are not Jews at all. This is because Zionism is a tool of the bourgeoisie, not something only Jews have to worry about. This reeks of conspiracy theorism, actually. No such thing as a ZOG.

[LeninistKing]

Why do you insult me instead of debating with me youl? Sorry, but nobody has absolute truths. There are not absolute truths about events, just interpretation of those truths. And you are talking like an absolutist who is not democratic enough to debate in a world of different ideas.

You believe that USA is not controlled by Israel, but that is your personal belief, not a fact. And i believe that USA is controlled by Israel. Read the book: "The Power of Israel in the United States" by James Petras, there it catalogs how USA is a puppet state of Israel

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You're talking like an idiot. You do realize that the entire point of Mearsheimer's "Israel lobby" thesis was to exonerate Bush from wrongdoing, since he was merely a puppet, so to speak, right?

I would hope that as a claimed leftist you would have a more systemic view of geopolitics. The United States would be fucking over the Middle East with or without the intervention of Israel. The 1956 coup in Iran was a perfect example.

Besides, some of the most powerful Zionists aren't even Israelis or even Jews.

[khad]

You believe that USA is not controlled by Israel, but that is your personal belief, not a fact. And i believe that USA is controlled by Israel. Read the book: "The Power of Israel in the United States" by James Petras, there it catalogs how USA is a puppet state of Israel.
I have read James Petras, kid. Petras is the person whom Mearsheimer more or less plagiarized to write his exoneration of the Bush Administration.

What the Israel lobby idea does is imply that the United States is inherently good and has a decent foreign policy--if only it weren't for the meddling of Israeli Zionists.

You're either naive, or an idiot, or both.

[LeninistKing]

Khad: So you are smarter than James Petras, Steven Walt and John Mersheimer, who wrote great books on how the Jewish Lobby controls USA? How can you be so egocentric and selfish in your thinking?

how can you say that Bush runs every thing in USA, and that he alone decided to invade Iraq?

Dont you know that capitalist governments are not headed by its president? but by corporations? and in USA corporations rule the USA thru lobbying firms.

In other words corporate elites tell the US government what to do, that is what corporate-fascism is all about. Bush wasnt the main ruler in USA, it is the 1% Oligarchy in America, and the Jewish Lobby (AIPAC) is part of that oligarchy. Wake up.

I dont know why many people in this forum not notice how America is ruled by Israel via the Zionist Power Configuration and the Jewish Lobby (AIPAC)

They need to be more informed on these matters, be more open minded and quit their religious dogmatic school of thought of Marxism-Leninism of the XX Century.

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You're talking like an idiot. You do realize that the entire point of Mearsheimer's "Israel lobby" thesis was to exonerate Bush from wrongdoing, since he was merely a puppet, so to speak, right?

I would hope that as a claimed leftist you would have a more systemic view of geopolitics. The United States would be fucking over the Middle East with or without the intervention of Israel. The 1956 coup in Iran was a perfect example.

Besides, some of the most powerful Zionists aren't even Israelis or even Jews.

[LeninistKing]

How dumb you are, where the hell did James Petras said that US Government is good? he never said that, which shows that you have never read "The Power of Israel in the United States" by James Petras

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I have read James Petras, kid. Petras is the person whom Mearsheimer more or less plagiarized to write his exoneration of the Bush Administration.

What the Israel lobby idea does is imply that the United States is inherently good and has a decent foreign policy--if only it weren't for the meddling of Israeli Zionists.

You're either naive, or an idiot, or both.

[LeninistKing]

WATCH THIS VIDEO ABOUT THE JEWISH LOBBY IN THE USA. MANY PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM THINK THAT ISRAEL IS A SOCIALIST, HUMANIST STATE AND USA IS THE ONLY EVIL CAPITALIST IMPERIALIST STATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THAT ISRAEL DOESNT INFLUENCE US FOREING POLICIES. HAHAHA, HOW DUMB THEY ARE. ASK RACHIEL CORRIE'S FAMILY WHO WAS BULLDOZED BY ISRAELI FORCES IF ISRA-HELL IS A HUMANIST STATE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukv85nc-VOA




I posted this in the thread "Should Iran possess nuclear weapons?" but felt that this deserved to be a topic itself.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-iran-possess-t129671/index2.html

I find it extremely unlikely that Iran is building nuclear weapons.

Why? The media's lied about this before. Remember Iraq? If you look at everything surrounding Iran both the media and the government exaggerate over everything, but the public doesn't notice because they're all too busy watching American Idol to go online and research these issues themselves.

For example, when I heard Ahmadinejad reported as saying he wanted Israel wiped off the map the first thing I thought was "was he speaking English when he said that? "wiping off the map" is an English metaphor do they really use the same one in Farsi and does it mean the same thing?" So I did some research and it turns out that he was mistranslated.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025)

He really said "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad" literally translates as "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

In the context of the whole speech where he compares this to the Soviet Union and to the former Iranian regime its clear he's not talking about destroying Israel physically. He's not even talking about Iran taking any action. He's talking about what he views as the inevitable end of the Israeli government.

To be fair an Iranian ministry started the mistranslation by mistake. But when they corrected it nobody in the US media reported it and people in the political establishment keep referring to it even though they must have read up on this stuff enough to know they are lying. Keep that in mind. Everytime a world leader or close advisor refers to Ahmadinejad saying he wants "wipe Israel off the face of the map" or worse "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" he's lying and he knows it. This is against the law for people in government to knowingly spread lies to start wars.

Obama is among these liars.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-C...Citizen-action (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m11d20-Obama-aggress-for-war-Media-echoes-lie-Iran-threatens-to-wipe-Israel-off-the-map-Citizen-action)

Furthermore, Khameini, Iran's "Supreme Leader" holds the real power including total power of its nuclear energy program. He issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons in 2005.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...350/index.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/10/iran.iaea.1350/index.html)

He is powerful but not all-powerful. The Assembly of Experts, which is lead by reformist Rafsanjani overseas the Supreme Leader and has the power to dismiss him. In an islamic theocracy violating his own fatwa, a clear act of religious hypocrisy would be a strong pretext for dismissal, because his office is considered not just political but religious. He'd probably even be charged with violating a number of religious laws and thrown in prison. Would Khameini commit political suicide just to get nuclear weapons for Iran?

To think I trusted Obama, even campaigned for him. I'm disgusted with him now. He knowingly continues to perpetuate lies instead of setting the record straight. I'm sure he's privy to this information that some quick research by your average citizen can find. He knows Iran isn't building nuclear weapons, but he wants the public to think they are anyways. He's the worst kind of fear-mongering politician. And people are distracted from this, because his most vocal critics are yelling about him "not being an American citizen" and saying other easily disproven garbage instead of complaining about the real issues. If McCain was president the truth about Iran would've already circulated among Democrats. Kucinich would have filed papers to impeach him. There would be protests. But all the Democrats think he's the liberal messiah whose going to save us from evil, so they don't question what he says. They don't look and try to find things out. They just go along with everything. It disgusts me.

Educate yourselves. Its discouraging me to see people on this site that actually believe the media and the politician's lies.

[Outinleftfield]

To

[Outinleftfield]

I see this topic has veered way off course but I'll address the issue.

To say that Israel is a puppet of the US or the US is a puppet of Israel is to oversimplify the issue.

Both nations are run by the bourgeoisie, which in this era of globalization is becoming increasingly international. So the interests and desires of the bourgeoisie in other countries, especially countries with close political relations with the US start to exert a much stronger pull on US policy and vice versa. Israeli's economic and political establishment wants more nukes, more guns, more tanks, more missiles so they can control the occupied territory, so they get the US establishment to help and it does this gladly because the multinational, arms industry which lines the pockets of the politicians want it to. The more military aid we give to Israel the more money they get.

It's easier for the politicians to justify than other places, because critics can be accused of anti-semitism, and because there is a large jewish population in many districts and naive Jews who think their interests are the same as the Israeli bourgeoisie help donate to lobbyist groups that support Israel. As long as large shipments of arms go to Israel Israel doesn't have to look for a peace settlement. In fact by keeping the nation constantly at war the politicians can keep their public in fear and fear is good for keeping the public under control. And then as long as there is a lot of conflict in the Middle East it is easier for multinationals to exploit.

Not all Jews are on board. Some realize the interests of Israel are not theirs. And other ethnicities make the same mistake as Jews who donate to AIPAC. There's a pretty large and influential Armenian lobby thanks to their large population in Los Angeles. Some naive Armenians will think the interests of the Armenian state and bourgeoisie are their interests and help the lobbying groups. You see the same thing in every special interest group for foreign countries. Then again there may be times when there are genuine humanitarian reasons to encourage these groups. For example, an African immigrant from the DRC might donate money to a political action group trying to get Congress to take action against the genocide there. But mostly these groups mislead ethnic groups in America into thinking the interests of foreign elites are their own.

[khad]

Such people exist only in your imagination. I have never seen anyone in this forum claiming that.
C******M**

[pierrotlefou]

The zionist cabal got together with goldman sacs and the zombified corpse of woodrow wilson and are controlling both the US and Israel in an attempt to get the jews back to the promise land where they'll meet the knights templar and ascend into heaven.

aka

Don't be so bought by conspiracy theory. You give the capitalists too much credit when you suggest they are so smart they have the whole world on lock.

[The Idler]

Seriously LeninistKing, how old are you? I wouldn't normally ask this but for what I have read of your posts you have been posting over the last week or so. Newcomers are welcome but read more left media, books and ask more questions before making over-confident statements on how the world is.

[~Spectre]

The very own U.S intelligence services have already dismissed the documents used in this U.N. report, a report which in and of itself didn't go as far as to accuse, but rather "raise questions".