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LeninistKing
21st February 2010, 04:36
ONE PROBLEM I SEE WITH THE USA LEFT IS THAT THE USA LEFT IS TOO IDEALIST, TOO ROMANTIC. WE HAVE TO BE MORE DOWN TO EARTH WITH AMERICAN POPULATION, INSTEAD OF PREACHING IDEALIST ROMANTIC SLOGANS, WHAT WE GOTTA DO IS TO TELL AMERICAN WORKERS THAT SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY IDEOLOGY IN USA WHICH PROPOSES 12 TO 15 DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR MINIMUM-WAGE

First of all:
what people need in this country is to create a united-front composed of the anti-fascist, anti-wars political parties of USA (socialist, leftists, centrists, libertarians parties of this country (The Green Party, The Libertarian Party, The Socialist Equality Party, The Democratic Socialists of USA, The Socialist Party of USA, The Revolutionary Communist Party of USA, The Workers World Party of USA, The Marxist-Leninist Party of USA, and other alternative socialist parties) which would be a real vehicle in which the masses, the majority of americans who are pissed off with the capitalist-system, would have an answer out of this mess. to caste their votes every 4 years.

However there is a catch-22 with a creation of a United-Socialist-Front composed of small socialist parties.

The catch-22 problem is that the USA corporate fascist system thru the media and its other evil things it has, will not let that united-front succeeding, The media apparatus would denounce it as a cult or an evil organization, and would spread dirty propaganda against it, just like it did and it has done many times against Ron Paul, Howard Dean and even against Obama.

Second: An educational-propaganda campaign
In order to create a united socialist party we would also need an educational campaign in order to spread socialism and marxism propaganda, information and knowledge to the masses about the evils of capitalism, fascism and imperialism and that the only solution for American citizens is socialism and marxism as the only real alternative which is participative democratic socialism. An educational program to debunk the taboos and myths created by right-wing libertarians and conspiracy theorists such as Jeff Rense, Alex Jones and other conspiracy free market libertarian lunatics against Marxism, and communism ideology.

I read the biography of Hugo Chavez written by Aleyda Guevara (Ernesto Che Guevara's Daugther) about how he began his political socialist carreer in Venezuela, in order to rescue Venezuela from corporations. He first tried to wake up Venezuelan poors about the evils of neoliberalism, he talked about the importance of teaching the masses about capitalism vs. socialism. And then when Venezuelan's poors digested the ideology of socialism, Hugo Chavez and his political movement began a campaign in Venezuela as an electoral option in 1998.

And here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party.

Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate.

Ron Paul was one of the few candidates who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, however his major flaw is that Ron Paul is not socialist or marxist. I don't know why if he is good intentioned as people say, he chosed the Libertarian free market ideology. If he is real smart, he should be a socialist and leftist, not a libertarian.

Because we all know that in history and present, countries with real bad economic problems and where its population is real poor, adopt state-capitalist policies or social-democrat leftist policies, but not libertarian free markets at all. In fact, when libertarianism free market is applied it increases poverty and destroys whole economies (Examples: Argentina)

Examples of nations that are heading toward the left as medicines against poverty. And not to the right-wing libertarian ideology like many americans think that libertarian free market ideology will save USA: Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Nicaragua, Spain, Bolivia, El Salvador. Libertarian free market ideology cannot work to save nations.

So Ron Paul didn't teach the US population about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people.

Only socialist parties can be a real alternative for victims of the Bush-Obama 1.5 trillion dollars bailouts, but socialist parties don't have access to TV and the press in the USA and that's why most americans don't know the ideology of socialism,ge in TV.

So before marketing a United Socialist Front in USA as a third party alternative we need to spend some months or years trying to tell americans in a down to earth language that in a socialist workers state they will earn between 12 to 20 dollars per hour for minimum wage (A lot more than under Republicans and Democrats)

And teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people's system, with free dental work, free medicine, free or cheaper universitie degrees, cheaper utility services.

Socialism is so good, that it is the only ideology in this country that proposes a minimum wage of 15 dollars an hour. No other ideology proposes 15 dollars for minimum wage: http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html 3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living. 5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries

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Jimmie Higgins
21st February 2010, 05:07
I'm in debt - like many Americans. Just abolishing bank mortgages, rents, credit card debts will instantly make the vast majority of Americans richer over night. I don't think Americans need to be told that they will be financially better off, just that working class struggle can actually win and that a real democratic society run by regular working people in our own interests is possible.

sarmchain
21st February 2010, 05:11
if the minimum wage was $15 dollars , then capitalists will just raise there prices to match it.....

Communist
21st February 2010, 05:47
To Practice & Propaganda, from Theory.

Moved.

LeninistKing
21st February 2010, 05:56
Hmmm, i am a bit skeptic against business owners. What i mean is that a Mcdonalds worker could really ear 15 dollars per hour while a Big Mac would have the same price to the consumers. I think that the problem is that business owners wanna earn it all, while paying very little to workers

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if the minimum wage was $15 dollars , then capitalists will just raise there prices to match it.....

Muzk
21st February 2010, 11:37
if the minimum wage was $15 dollars , then capitalists will just raise there prices to match it.....



Guess what we do to them

Dimentio
21st February 2010, 12:31
Minimum wages are not important. If the wages go up, so do the prices. The only thing which could increase wealth for all people is better capacity to produce goods with cheaper means, as well as a more energy-efficient way of utilising technology. Another, more efficient way, to increase the life standards of all people is to eliminate the resource control bottleneck that is capitalism.

The Douche
21st February 2010, 14:50
Minimum wages are not important. If the wages go up, so do the prices. The only thing which could increase wealth for all people is better capacity to produce goods with cheaper means, as well as a more energy-efficient way of utilising technology. Another, more efficient way, to increase the life standards of all people is to eliminate the resource control bottleneck that is capitalism.

Only in a profit-driven economy.

Yes, if fast food workers made $15 an hour, then the cost of said fast food would rise, but not like it does today. I mean, a combo meal at most fast food places costs about an hour's wage allready.

Dimentio
21st February 2010, 16:39
Only in a profit-driven economy.

Yes, if fast food workers made $15 an hour, then the cost of said fast food would rise, but not like it does today. I mean, a combo meal at most fast food places costs about an hour's wage allready.

Temporarily, the relative wage would go up. But it would only be a temporary kick. During the 60's and 70's, lots of economies tried to stimulate consumption by inflating the currency, giving constant wage rises which all were eaten up by inflation.

In a monetary economy under a socialist economy, with fixed prices of all goods and services, a black market tend to evolve which leads into a shortage of goods.

The only possible solution in a long sight is to abolish money altogether.

Communist
21st February 2010, 18:23
if the minimum wage was $15 dollars, then capitalists will just raise their prices

How true that is.
But keep in mind, prices go up anyway, even when there's no talk of a minimum wage increase. Usually at a slightly slower pace, but not always.
That's the capitalist system.