What is it to be done against anti-communist EU resolutions?

[Taikand]

Resolution 1481 of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe:

Prague declaration:

The European Union has started publishing books that condemn communism,in all it's forms.What is it to be done against the process of discreditation of communism, and after all, of the left political ideologies?

I can't post links because of my post count :crying:

[Dimentio]

http://assembly.coe.int/Mainf.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta06/Eres1481.htm

Here is the link.

Its mostly a condemnation for actions committed by governments underneath the control of marxist-leninist parties. I don't think its too dangerous, unless it would start to be accompanied by thought-crime legislation.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I'd have to agree with Dimentio. Unless it went to something similar to Sedition Act of 1918, I seriously doubt it'll bring much harm, in fact, I think it might boost the numbers that'll join the communist party.

[Nolan]

Nothing new. The US government has been doing this since 1917.

[Zanthorus]

Points 4 & 13 would suggest that this is a condemnation of what certain governments did in the past in the name of communism, not communism or communist parties in general. I don't think this is really anything to be worrying about just yet.

[Uppercut]

There isn't much we can do about it anyways, except to brush it off.

[Belisarius]

what is more worrying i think is the liberal trend in eu-policy, for example the privatization of responsibilities formerly of the state, like the train, telephone and postal services.

[revolution inaction]

I seriously doubt it'll bring much harm,

this bit contradicts



in fact, I think it might boost the numbers that'll join the communist party.

this :p

[DenisDenis]

what is more worrying i think is the liberal trend in eu-policy, for example the privatization of responsibilities formerly of the state, like the train, telephone and postal services.

I really think this is questionable.
I mean most of these nationalisations were because of socialist-democrats,
and all the things the socialist-democrats did were things to try and keep capitalism liveable,
as a result the working class came more quiet, and it "improved" their living conditions.
So actually to preserve these things is to keep the harshers parts of capitalism away from people,
and to keep them quiet.
If you understand what i mean.

How do you think about this?

PS: I don't want to endorse privatisations, but just want to fight capitalism alltogether.

[Belisarius]

I really think this is questionable.
I mean most of these nationalisations were because of socialist-democrats,
and all the things the socialist-democrats did were things to try and keep capitalism liveable,
as a result the working class came more quiet, and it "improved" their living conditions.
So actually to preserve these things is to keep the harshers parts of capitalism away from people,
and to keep them quiet.
If you understand what i mean.

How do you think about this?

PS: I don't want to endorse privatisations, but just want to fight capitalism alltogether.
indeed, it is a kind of way to hush the people, but i would prefer a capitalism with a human face over liberal capitalism. it is easier, i think, to abolish capitalism when it doesn't have everything on their side. i think that if you just let capitalism destroy itself, then there will be a revolt due to radicalisation, but not necessarily a revolution. if we take the example of the bankrupt Germany of the 1920's and 30's: the failure of the capitalist system caused revolt, some of them were truely revolutionary, like the spartacists, but the nazis eventually installed a fascist regime (by which they maintained capitalism). hwat i mean to say is that moving from a social-democrat government to communism is safer than from a failed capitalist one.

[DenisDenis]

yeah your right, wouldn't want another nazi regime :(

Another problem then is that capitalism seems to have it's ways of "reinventing"
itself so that it probably wouldn't collapse on its own like marx said.
So i think that keep on waiting for it to happen is also dangerous, as they are more and more able to arm themselves(and the population) against communism.

[Belisarius]

your right about capitalism reinventing itself adn social democracy is exactly one of those inventions. an interesting read on this is Ernest Mandels introduction to marxist economics. it's on the internet archive also in dutch (since you're from West-Vlaanderen).

[DenisDenis]

I'll definitely take a look at it! thanks!

[ComradeOm]

what is more worrying i think is the liberal trend in eu-policy, for example the privatization of responsibilities formerly of the state, like the train, telephone and postal services.That surprises you? The EU is a capitalist construct whose very purpose is the furthering of liberal policies such as 'free trade' and privatisation

[scarletghoul]

Well we gotta combat this with our own propaganda, obviously.

[Taikand]

We definitely need our own propaganda, but capitalism is state-supported ( I know how weird that sounds), for instance there are courses in school that present communism from the view of victims, and inoculate ideas like "communism opposes individual thinking" or "poor people are poor because they don't work" yet I've been warned by the school board for bringing "Manifesto of the Communist Party" at school.Add to that the fact that the book underwent a "banana mix therapy".

[Dimentio]

In what backward province are you living?

[Taikand]

Romania, Eastern Europe.

[Belisarius]

okay, i agree romania has had some bad experiences with the so-called communism of ceaucescu, but they for sure then need to know that oppressing ideas, like the ones in the communist manifesto, is both dumb and immoral.

[rednordman]

Fuck it. I say let them do it, and then let them see the world burn themselves. If anything, the only thing that has slowed down the dismal collapse of capitalism, is the fact that we have, through parlament and unions, been allowed to have a say in an economic system that doesnt believe we should. I thoroghly believe that it is us, that have made things better, not altruistic capitalists with halos:rolleyes:.

If the European parlament really believes that banning OUR voice, is the solution, than let them see how niave and arrogant THEY really are.

Also, dont believe in this 'social democracy' thing that gets toted about by them. They have about as much interest in social democracy as they do in pure anarchism.

Mabey, the 'end of history' ignited the engine of the machine that will send us all to hell.

Hypathetically speaking of course.