Panarin's delusion, or is America really fucked ?

[Che a chara]

Was just reading a couple of articles from 2008 and last year from Russian professor Igor Panarin about the probablity of the US collapsing and forming into 6 different territories for this year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/04/igor-panarin-us-will-coll_n_171725.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/hows-this-for-a-2010-prediction-revolution

http://rt.com/Politics/2009-11-06/us-shattered-union-panarin.html

I don't really see any evidence that this could be a probability, more so just opinions of reactionary egos and hoping to provoke a reaction.

[Ele'ill]

I don't really see any evidence that this could be a probability, more so just opinions of reactionary egos and hoping to provoke a reaction.


That's because there was no evidence given. :lol:

[La Comédie Noire]

I don't really see any evidence that this could be a probability, more so just opinions of reactionary egos.

Yeah, nowhere in any of the articles does he do more than simply assert the United States is going to split up. I think he's applying the experience of Russia to the United States.

[Che a chara]

yeah he divulges no material to back his crackpot theory up. it looks like a poor propaganda stunt looking to plant a little seed into the minds of doubt.


http://sg.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AO116_RUSPRO_NS_20081228191715.gif

"the Californian republic" could be part of China :lol:. Madness.

[Ele'ill]

It's interesting to think about. :)

[Che a chara]

It's interesting to think about. :)

interesting or wishful thinking ?:p

[#FF0000]

Looks a lot like how the U.S. was divvied up in a Hearts Of Iron II mod I play.

[Lynx]

Click our heels and we're back in Kansas, eh?

[Red Commissar]

Looks a lot like how the U.S. was divvied up in a Hearts Of Iron II mod I play.

Kaiserreich by any chance?

[Nolan]

I vote batshit insane for now, but who knows in 10 years?

[Jimmie Higgins]

While economic crisis is a pressure cooker that can cause all sorts of sudden and unexpected changes, right now I do not see some kind of split like this. The primary splits in US society are not based on region but on class.

There's no material economic or really cultural reasons for such a split. Unlike countries which have been cobbled together from various regional groups to form a nation, the US, "states" would have no reason or desire to break away.

The "states rights" claim by politicians is really only a mask so companies in underpopulated states like Alaska, Oregon, or West Virgina (which are basically ruled by a major industry - oil, timber, and coal respectively) can write the laws with little popular interference. "States Rights" also allows states to "race to the bottom" in lowering worker's living standards; politicians say: "well I'd love to have a higher minimum wage or better labor laws, but if we did that, then companies would just move to the next state".

Additionally, while the US is in rough shape right now and the ruling class has no answers for the crisis (that would actually alleviate it - particularly from a working class perspective). But the RC is united in pushing the worst of the crisis onto workers by cutting labor costs to make up for profit declines and pushing social spending burdens onto workers through state budget cuts and so on.

If there were serious splits in the RC about how to solve the crisis or if pressure from below via a working class uprising caused splits in the RC over how to deal with it, then it might be more feasible that different regions go in different dirrections in their attempts to deal with the situation.

[#FF0000]

Kaiserreich by any chance?

Yup.

And come to think of it, the whole California republic being under the influence of china or japan is right out of the Shadowrun corebooks.

[Demogorgon]

Best bit of the article is the publication date. It is almost a year old. Hence the "impose martial law this year" bit has already somewhat failed to materialise within the time frame...

[Salyut]

Yup.

And come to think of it, the whole California republic being under the influence of china or japan is right out of the Shadowrun corebooks.

AU was ridiculously overpowered. ;_;

[#FF0000]

AU was ridiculously overpowered. ;_;

Really? I had no problem taking them out when I jumped to the Combined Syndicates of America. Same with Canada and Mexico. Never got the Pacific states back, though.