Stance regarding imperialist wars

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What is your stance regarding imperialist wars? What is your stance regarding WW2? If you believe in "No war but the class war", could you please explain why?

Thanks,

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[Misanthrope]

WWII was nothing but a struggle for dominance by two imperialist super powers. To think that the allies were fighting in WWII to liberate those in concentration camps and to uphold democracy is absurd.

I believe in "no war but the class war" because the fact of the matter is, military conflicts are a result of class conflicts.

[LeninistKing]

The War on Terror will go nowhere. And I see the US going the way of maybe voting in a right wing strongman like a Pinochet or Park of South Korea. So I am in agreement that socialism will not take root in the States.

There is a split between people who want socialism and people who oppose and want right wing capitalism, but remember that both camps don't know what socialism really is.

But in all of this, no one has mentioned who the next superpower will be? China? The EU? If and when this collapse happens, where can one immigrate to that will be OK?

The teabaggers are so full with internal contradictions that they make Reagan's coalition look like a wonder of unity. A large part of the storm troopers of the teabaggers is consisting of interests tied to local, small town petty bourgeoisie upper middle class elites who are (justifiedly so) seeing Wall Street and the large capital centres in the urban regions as a threat which would alienate them from "their rightful share" in the exploitment.

A large part of these groups want to actually (even if they don't understand it) weaken the United States by de-centralising it and putting power back into the hands of more reactionary local elites. Other groups just want to return it to the status quo of the Bush years.
I couldn't see a Pinochet type guy. But I could see a former military general donning a suit and running for office and once elected tightening the country bit by bit. I am thinking of more of a junta in Brooks Brothers ala Park Chung Hee from South Korea.

If the US collapsed, I think socialism would be the first thing on the table. The majority of Americans recognize that capitalism is the problem, and would support a socialist government

I am so jealous and awestruck when I watch documentaries about Venezuela and they show a surprisingly conscious working class that can beautifully articulate their position and struggles in Venezuelan society
I just don't get what is wrong with many people in America. Why do they identify so much with the bourgeois? I admire the libertarian spirit that this nation exudes and the cynicism toward state and sometimes corporate power, but why does it always translate into more capitalism, better capitalism, or pure capitalism?
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WWII was nothing but a struggle for dominance by two imperialist super powers. To think that the allies were fighting in WWII to liberate those in concentration camps and to uphold democracy is absurd.

I believe in "no war but the class war" because the fact of the matter is, military conflicts are a result of class conflicts.

[Tablo]

I want death to be brought upon all imperialist leaders.

NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR!!!

[ZeroNowhere]

Thank you for your stellar contribution.

[AK]

I believe in "no war but the class war" because the fact of the matter is, military conflicts are a result of class conflicts.
Define 'class war'. Because your opinion seems to be that it can be between distinct factions of a class, i.e., separate states of the international Bourgeoisie. A class war, in the most accepted definition, is a war between classes. Imperialist war cannot be defined as class war as it is between two separate Bourgeois states, unless, of course, it was somehow directly declared and carried out by some sort of rogue proletariat or purportedly socialist state against the Bourgeoisie.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Where there's capitalism, there will be imperialism:


Global capitalism is a system based on private ownership of the world's wealth by a minority class of exploiters. Production is for the profit of a few millionaires, not the needs of the majority of the six billion people on this planet.

Under this system, the world is divided into nation states ruled by capitalist politicians and manipulated by giant corporations under the guise of organisations like the World Trade Organisation(WTO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), etc. These states compete economically, politically and militarily for control of resources, territory and wealth, or form strategic alliances where they have shared interests.

All the major problems of the world - poverty, exploitation, underdevelopment of the Third World, recession, war, environmental disasters, racism, national hatred, the oppression of women and young people - are caused and sustained by capitalism. Capitalist globalisation has created science and techniques that could feed, clothe, house, educate and care for every single person in the world. But private ownership means a handful become unimaginably rich while hundreds of millions are in poverty.

Far from uniting humanity, capitalist globalisation has been carried out by strong nations conquering the weak. To do this the rich Western powers use a variety of weapons, from unfair trade and debt bondage through to B52s and cluster bombs.

Capitalism cannot simply be reformed into a better system. It must be overthrown. There is no parliamentary road to socialism. Even the most democratic capitalist countries leave military power in the hands of an unelected group of generals and police chiefs, economic power in the hands of unelected heads of corporations and political power in the hands of unelected civil servants behind the scenes. Even where elections are held - and in many capitalist countries they are not - the people are left with no control over their elected representatives between elections and no real say about the running of their lives.

The modern Empire of the USA is different from empires that came before. Unlike the colonial empires of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century, the USA does not try to rule other countries directly. The former colonies are almost all politically independent, with their own flags and governments. But beneath the mask of self-rule, they remain deeply dependent and subordinate. They are semi-colonies.

The First World of advanced capitalist powers and its multinational corporations super-exploit the semi-colonial Third World. The IMF and World Bank put the Third World on rations. They use desperately needed loans as blackmail to make already impoverished countries carry out huge programmes of cuts in services and living standards. They extract billions in debt and interest repayments to the West from Africa, South-East Asia, and Latin America.

The World Trade Organisation fixes the rules of international commerce to help the rich nations, not the poor. Western corporations pay Third World workers a fraction of the wages they would receive in the West and suck massive profits out of them in sweatshops, which deny even the most basic rights and conditions to their workforce.

The September 11 massacre was a pretext for the USA to launch its 'war on terrorism'. This bloody campaign has already seen the USA murder more civilians than were killed in the World Trade Center attacks. In reality, the 'war on terrorism' is the continuation of globalisation by military means. Just as capitalism demands the right to enter every area in the world and exploit every people in the world, so the USA now demands the right to take military action anywhere in the world, against anyone it declares a 'terrorist', including the governments of sovereign nations. This global military offensive proves beyond doubt that Imperialism is not a thing of the past - it is the essence of global capitalism today.

[Tablo]

Thank you for your stellar contribution.
You're welcome. xD