Anti communism discussion

[GracchusBabeuf]

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[Il Medico]

Well, anti-communism has been used to legitimize other sorts bigotry. Such as the KKK's use of anti communist sentiment to recurit memembers. Also, quite often ideas associated with different groups (such as gays or blacks) are tied to the image of communism in order to demonize them. To be honest though, if your looking for some cause of other social discrimination in anti-communism, your not going to find it. Other forms of social bigotry were prevalent long before communism was even a conceptual idea. Social discrimination such as sexism, homophobia, and racism are direct products of class society and exist to divide the working (or in previous forms of class society, the lower classes). Political discrimination does not have those concrete roots, rather it is dependent on the society's political stand point. (as a communist society would be equally anti-capitalist and anti-fascist as a capitalist society would be anti-communist)

[Red Commissar]

It's definitely well entrenched in the United States as a result of the Cold War, and through some brilliant use of hegemony have been able to associate things like "communism" and "socialism" with bad things.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I enjoy discrimination in modern society. I think it's quite discriminatory that I get labeled as delusional or stupid for being communist. Everyone says "human nature makes it impossible." I think 90% of people I converse about communism with use a variation of that response. Maybe more. And the majority of them haven't done much research and/or they know little about the ideology.

How can liberals, democrats, republicans, conservatives, green, social democrats, libertarians, and just about every nonsensical ideology get recognized as "a difference of opinion," but communism is talked about as if it's a historically refuted ideology. It's not an out of date scientific theory. It's a political ideology like anything else. I find people really talk down to the ideology and those who believe in it whereas they don't do the same to others.

As for overt discrimination, I haven't had any of that in Canada. But I am not the most social person, either. I'm sure it's different in the states. I kind of admire the States, France, Quebec, and other areas that are blunt. Tell people to their face they have stupid ideas. If you honestly think that, why are you letting people go around believing nonsense? It's especially relevant when you know the person. I'm atheist, but I have to say Christians that don't try to convert their friends, as I see it, are often being rather selfish. Respecting their freedom can't be more important than saving them from eternity in hell, after all.

I can't talk, though. I run into so much ignorance I just give up sometimes. When I raise my hand in class, I often do so to correct someone. I don't even debate with them. I phrase it factually because they're generally just wrong. People are stupid. I do wish there was a new Karl Marx who wrote everything with graphics and bullet charts. Then maybe people will read it.

[Eia]

^ What a load of unmitigated shit.

You 'enjoy' discrimination in modern society? Tell that to the communists who are shot or tortured for being so. Tell that to their families. Tell that to the trade-unionists who are assassinated in Columbia and elsewhere for attempting to collectively bargain. Tell that to the workers who are killed by cops or soldiers when they struggle against the wage system.

You write a lot of bullshit sometimes. Give up philosophy and stop being a misanthropic asshole.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

^ What a load of unmitigated shit.

You 'enjoy' discrimination in modern society? Tell that to the communists who are shot or tortured for being so. Tell that to their families. Tell that to the trade-unionists who are assassinated in Columbia and elsewhere for attempting to collectively bargain. Tell that to the workers who are killed by cops or soldiers when they struggle against the wage system.

You write a lot of bullshit sometimes. Give up philosophy and stop being a misanthropic asshole.

That's a typo. Sorry about that. I think it's partially related to my medications. I type a lot faster on them and tend to make really stupid mistakes. I think I meant to say "encounter," but I'm not sure. It would be pretty stupid to enjoy discrimination, especially if I was a victim. Thanks for pointing that out.

I like philosophy so that's not going to happen. As for the personality issues, my misanthropy varies day to day. I don't have the most stable moods. My being an asshole is consistent, and I don't see that changing. What other posts did you have a particular issue with?

[scarletghoul]

A lot of anti-communism has racist orientalist undertones. Especially now that most communist countries are in East Asia, the impression is given that communism is for brainwashed yellow robots who think differantly from us and can only concieve of totalitarian dictatorship and collectivism, who do not understand the idea of 'freedom' or 'individuality'. Orientalism has always been a part of anti-communism, and it's not only been about the east asian people but also eastern european people, and various other foreign peoples who have been associated with communism. It's been portrayed as a crazy ideology for aliens of the east, incompatible with our good western values.

From the early rumours of the Russians eating babies and collectivising women for sex, to the crap we hear about North Korea and China in the news every day right now, this particular form of racism has long been used to paint communism as something foreign and alien for people who think differantly and accept brainwashed collectivised suffering. As an alien force from the east that threatens our civilised western ways, or imprisons the poor yellow man who cannot contemplate individual freedom.

[Belisarius]

A lot of anti-communism has racist orientalist undertones. Especially now that most communist countries are in East Asia, the impression is given that communism is for brainwashed yellow robots who think differantly from us and can only concieve of totalitarian dictatorship and collectivism, who do not understand the idea of 'freedom' or 'individuality'. Orientalism has always been a part of anti-communism, and it's not only been about the east asian people but also eastern european people, and various other foreign peoples who have been associated with communism. It's been portrayed as a crazy ideology for aliens of the east, incompatible with our good western values.

a great example of capitalist inconsistency: on the one hand they think of those asians of lacking any personal freedom, but on the other we import all of their spiritual tendencies because they are so "liberating and harmonious".

[Wolf Larson]

A lot of anti-communism has racist orientalist undertones. Especially now that most communist countries are in East Asia, the impression is given that communism is for brainwashed yellow robots who think differantly from us and can only concieve of totalitarian dictatorship and collectivism, who do not understand the idea of 'freedom' or 'individuality'. Orientalism has always been a part of anti-communism, and it's not only been about the east asian people but also eastern european people, and various other foreign peoples who have been associated with communism. It's been portrayed as a crazy ideology for aliens of the east, incompatible with our good western values.

From the early rumours of the Russians eating babies and collectivising women for sex, to the crap we hear about North Korea and China in the news every day right now, this particular form of racism has long been used to paint communism as something foreign and alien for people who think differantly and accept brainwashed collectivised suffering. As an alien force from the east that threatens our civilised western ways, or imprisons the poor yellow man who cannot contemplate individual freedom.

Makes me want to bump that hate AmerikkKa beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKbEaZ-Jnws&feature=related

[Merces]

The fact that certain if not most communists claim that anyhting not based on their own ideology is either "capitalist" or "Facist" , does raise questions about their views on things.

[Belisarius]

The fact that certain if not most communists claim that anyhting not based on their own ideology is either "capitalist" or "Facist" , does raise questions about their views on things.
i do acknowledge the tendency of some communist to use some words too much so they lose their actual meaning, but this doesn't mean that communism is a rigid system with everything falling out of doctrine is just "bourgeois". if this were true then it wouldn't be possible to have all this tendencies like trotskyism, left communism etc.. there is nothing like THE communist ideology with all the rest being fascist or capitalist.