Holy sexism Batman!

[Salyut]

and here I thought I'd found a sane gun fourm. @[email protected] From a rather enlightening discussion on CCW in Canada:


Perhaps you guys should educate yourselves on the issues of concern to men's rights activists. Women are going got lead the way and then us poor little men folk will somehow get the right given to women?

Dream on!

I refuse to buy into the hyperbole and out right cowshit associated with "women and violence"! So many lies... where to start?

If you thought false rape accusations were tough... remember this: Dead men can't defend themselves!

Yup, a little know fact: approximately 60% of rape accusations are false! Yet women pay no legal price for destroying a man's life. Now you want to arm women and not men?

Men are LOSING legal rights in western 'democracies'! It is total folly to beleive that ANY western governemt will allow men to be armed if women are allowed first. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!


Followed by some burbling about FEMNAZI DICTATORSHIP TAKING MAH GUNZ. And thus I have resolved to never, ever, join a gun forum again. >:(

[F9]

This is actually so stupid, that is funny:lol:
Probably a no lifer kiddo, who his only social activity is with the aliens he kills online, and the stupid shows he watches in TV.Not a big surprise seen where he was posting this...

[ZeroNowhere]

Probably a no lifer kiddo, who his only social activity is with the aliens he kills online, and the stupid shows he watches in TV.Not a big surprise seen where he was posting this...
That was inane and uncalled for.

[manic expression]

The post you showed was ridiculous, rape doesn't get enough attention, any idiot can figure that out. But male concerns need to be taken more seriously. For instance, young men are oftentimes expected to apologize for their sexuality. Men are routinely portrayed as incompetents or villains in pop culture and no one bats an eyelash. Wives who mutilate their husbands are called heroes. Is it any wonder that suicide fatalities are four times higher in young boys than in young girls?

Boys should be taught to want to be men, but they aren't. I think that's a real tragedy, and it's something that should be addressed or at least discussed. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, maybe not, whatever.

[Invincible Summer]

The post you showed was ridiculous, rape doesn't get enough attention, any idiot can figure that out. But male concerns need to be taken more seriously. For instance, young men are oftentimes expected to apologize for their sexuality. Men are routinely portrayed as incompetents or villains in pop culture and no one bats an eyelash. Wives who mutilate their husbands are called heroes. Is it any wonder that suicide fatalities are four times higher in young boys than in young girls?
Men are routinely portrayed this way because they're over-represented in media as it is. Of course you're going to see more stupid male characters - there are many more male characters in general!

And I will assume that a wife who mutilates her husband is doing so out of retaliation for abuse (if not, then that is just batshit insane). In that case, how is it not justified? Men are heralded for "keeping their woman in their place," or being "players," and other sexist acts - why can't women be recognized for taking (extreme) measures against oppressive men (not saying all men are)?

Perhaps the suicide fatalities are also caused by the pressures on boys to be boys/"men." Not because they're depressed that their gender is "mis-characterized" in pop culture.


Boys should be taught to want to be men, but they aren't. I think that's a real tragedy, and it's something that should be addressed or at least discussed. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, maybe not, whatever.
Why should anyone be taught to conform to any sort of gender role?

[Salyut]

The post you showed was ridiculous, rape doesn't get enough attention, any idiot can figure that out. But male concerns need to be taken more seriously.

The way I interpreted it was "If we arm women they will start gunning down men." Its a really disturbing post.

[manic expression]

Men are routinely portrayed this way because they're over-represented in media as it is. Of course you're going to see more stupid male characters - there are many more male characters in general!
Point taken, but there are some exceptions to that. Back when I watched American TV a bit (a few years ago), I remember seeing a lot of commercials that portrayed a "typical American family" (funny how you almost never see interracial couples, but that's another discussion) in which the husband was clearly the most idiotic member of the family. He forgot how to put on his pants right, he dropped the phone, he thought about bowling while the wife was dealing with the important matters (what kind of message does that send?). That kind of thing. I understand that the portrayal of women is terrible in its own right, undeniably much worse overall, but I think the stereotyping of men should also be brought into question as well.

By the way, I should preface all of my points here with "women's oppression is waaaaay worse, I just thought this issue deserves a bit more attention". Because really, having a dumb husband on American TV is absolutely nothing compared to one woman dying each hour from domestic abuse in Russia. It's just not even in the same universe. Not even close. I just hope we're all clear that I'm not disputing that at all.


And I will assume that a wife who mutilates her husband is doing so out of retaliation for abuse (if not, then that is just batshit insane). In that case, how is it not justified? Men are heralded for "keeping their woman in their place," or being "players," and other sexist acts - why can't women be recognized for taking (extreme) measures against oppressive men (not saying all men are)?IIRC, she did it out of retaliation for him cheating on her or something like that. I remember some women saying "well, that's what he gets for cheating" and stuff like that.

I think women who defend themselves from spousal abuse should all be given medals and have streets named after them. That most definitely includes a woman who uses fatal means of self-defense in desperation. Again, I understand that domestic abuse overwhelmingly makes women the clear victims (an understatement), but "feminists" who applaud the mutilation of a husband for that need to look in the mirror and ask themselves what the hell they believe in. That kind of thinking is yet another example of capitalism's familiar "us vs them" mentality that divides workers against themselves.

Also, I think the most important point here is that men do NOT hit women unless they're being truly threatened. Young men need to be taught that being a man oftentimes means taking a slap (or two, or three) from a genuinely frustrated spouse without forcefully retaliating. Being a man means being strong in the face of adversity and being a source of certainty in uncertain times (the same can be said of our sisters IMO), and that's been somewhat forgotten because a lot of "feminists" don't want to admit that masculinity can be a positive force. A lot of so-called "feminists" want to convince everyone that masculinity is something to scorn, when IMO the LACK of males who know how to act like MEN is one of the reasons WHY so many women are treated cruelly.

I don't see this fundamentally changing until a working-class revolution, but I still think it should be discussed so we grasp the female-male divide better.


Perhaps the suicide fatalities are also caused by the pressures on boys to be boys/"men." Not because they're depressed that their gender is "mis-characterized" in pop culture.That might have some validity to it, but I'm not trying to say that stupid husbands in commercials leads to boy suicide, far from it. I'm saying that there is a problem of identity within males, I personally think a lot of young men are confused because their place in society isn't defined very positively today. Of course, that also means that the old, more reactionary gender roles are less pervasive, and that's worth celebrating, but we can't leave it at that...there's so much more to fight for until we can truly act like a world of sisters and brothers. For that to happen, males have to comfortable embracing who they are.


Why should anyone be taught to conform to any sort of gender role?Good point, I overlooked that and I should have taken into account our LGBT sisters and brothers. I'm sorry for that and I'll try not to do it again. However, I'm not trying to have conformity, just the recognition that being a man with masculine needs and desires (in the cases of straight, gay, bisexual or asexual or whatever else men), as well as the idea that masculinity can be a positive force are two very important things that have been lost in the gender discussion. I think it has left males with the choice between being "traditional", anti-intellectual buffoons and emasculated "nice guys" who more often than not get left in the dust by most people. That choice is a real problem, and its a source of alienation IMO. I'm not saying a man should live like this or that, I'm just saying men should be encouraged to embrace who they are to reach their full potential. That being said, I still think female oppression is far more horrible and immediate at the moment (yet another understatement), but the two are very much related, as in the example of domestic abuse.

Again, maybe I'm going out on a limb, these are just some thoughts that have been kicking around my head the past week or so (thus the long post). Something to check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD-Yp3a-dY

I feel what he says here, because I've felt that and I'm sure a lot of other guys have, too. Other than capitalism, I'm not sure what to blame, but I just hate seeing that cycle where girls hurt guys and then the guys grow up thinking that they have to hurt girls in order to not get hurt themselves. It's real fucked up, and so many people have been there. So what can we do about it? Just keep pushing for the revolution? That's all I can think of.

[Lynx]

Perhaps it would help if 'masculinity' were defined. What some may view as being masculine, I tend to view as examples of males with false self esteem. False self-esteem is remarkably easy to shatter.

[bcbm]

Good point, I overlooked that and I should have taken into account our LGBT sisters and brothers.huh? lgbt people don't necessarily defy gender roles and these roles are harmful to all people, regardless of sexuality.