Withering away of the state.

[Forrest]

Can i have some help understanding how the mine goes from the state to the miners?

[Invincible Summer]

The state is overthrown, the miners mine for the society at large. You don't need the state to tell miners how to do their job. They know it better than any politician or boss.


Although mining isn't that great of an example, as automation will probably replace human miners.

[Delegado J]

It's unlikely that the state (in the leninist sense of the word) will ever hand back to the people the means of production. It's almost like watching over children.

"Ok, we'll take everything and decide when it is best to despense the means of production back to you workers. But until you "get the point" and learn to behave, wel'll control everything in YOUR best interests."

Big brother tells you what is good and bad because, after all, the people cannot be trusted.:rolleyes:

[Comrade_Stalin]

The state does not all ways mean goverment. There are many points of view on what the state is. Revleft has it as the police and military, some have it as the goverment, and still other have another meaning for what the state is.

[Black Sheep]

"Ok, we'll take everything and decide when it is best to despense the means of production back to you workers. But until you "get the point" and learn to behave, wel'll control everything in YOUR best interests."
Cm on man, stop trolling.


Can i have some help understanding how the mine goes from the state to the miners?
This depends on the tendency of the person who responds to that, and of course on the revolution itself, where that mine is a part of.
Sit-in in the mine, expropriation from its owner(s), or seizure by law or by force from its 'legal' owner.

[scarletghoul]

Can i have some help understanding how the mine goes from the state to the miners?
The mine would already be managed by the miners, as the miners would control the state (along with the rest of the workers).

That's what is meant by a "workers' state", its a state which is controlled by the workers. Its not some seperate organisation that manages things on behalf of the workers. (some people are gonna argue if this applies to particular historical examples but this is what it is in theory)

The state is a powerful tool used by a ruling class to suppress other classes. Under socialism it is used by the working class to rule over the other classes (mostly bourgeoisie). When history progresses and these other classes no longer exist, there will be no need for the working class to have a state to control things and suppress them. The state will whither away as its purpose ceases to exist. As opposing classes die out, then the need for coercion dies with it. And eventually when all the classes are gone there will be no need for any kind of oppression and coercion, and we will have a completely free society for all. In other words classlessness begets statelessness.

[Qayin]

I think its sort of stupid,marx wrote little about it and its constantly debated. I think bakunin nailed marx on the head with this one. Ha vangaurds..

[Uppercut]

Basically, the workers would control that mine through the state and the use of their local soviet. The local soviet elects a district soviet, who elects a regional soviet and so on, all the way up to the national level, which was called "The Congress of Soviets."

It's a very democratic process, actually. And don't forget that the delegates that make up these soviets are recallable by majority vote. It's an important safeguard against corruption and beaurocracy.