Hey guys..and help!

[umbilical_syllables]

It's been a while since I last visited this board, but a couple of events has forced me to take action, and what better place to discuss and learn then revleft ;)

I recently started studying at the university in my home town. I just finished my first course of history and I am now studying a continuation course on the same subject.

After a couple of weeks as a student I quickly made some friends and we formed a study group. We studied together, partied together and all and all had a great time.

This weekend one of us posted a link on facebook, it was a picture of him at a extreme right rally, they where forming a new network of Scandinavian nationalists. Their platform is de facto nazi. And a bit of further investigation revealed that he was the chairman of the National Democrat Youth.

This guy, who'd been a friend for over 5 months, was a hardcore nazi. Since everyone else in the study group belongs to the left we were both surprised and disgusted.

Now my question. How should we handle this? We will meet him at least twice a week at school, he has been a part of the group since day 1, but none of us wants anything to do with him.
We don't really know how violent his party is so we don't know how he will react if we confront him. I don't really know what I want to happen, because before I knew of his allegiance we got along quite well since no discussion of politics ever arose when we studied together. At least he never got involved in them.

Do you guys have any ideas as to address this problem? Has any of you had a similar experience?

Sorry if this is the wrong forum, but when in doubt post on chit-chat, right?

Have a great day, comrades!

[Dimentio]

Firstly... Its up to you, but I would recommend that you stop hanging out with him and explain to him that you cannot condone his political opinions and why. He has no future, but you have. When the University start to know about his ideas, they will soon make it tougher for him.

[umbilical_syllables]

That's pretty much what we are thinking, but the guys kind of want to do this as covertly as possible. Because if we tell everyone that he is a nazi we could quite possibly ruin his life, at least his academic career, since, as you say, the university probably won't condone his politics either. And we don't really want to radicalise him. We want him to change his mind.
But since I know how fucking scary it is to have been so close to a nazi without knowing about it, some part of me wants to cover every wall of the university with "your local nazi" posters.
And the question is if there is any hope for a "conversion".

[Dimentio]

This is not your neighbourhood bonehead. If he is reading on university, he has obviously taken an interest in history and in politics and thought somewhat independently around it. He is evidently identifying "ethnopluralism" as his main political outlook on life, seeing a conflict between ethnicities as the driving force of history.

This is not a "Hata mer, känga ner" orch, but rather someone who probably have read Julius Evola, DeBenoist and other philosophers of the "Neu Droite". Such people do not just hate mindlessly, they have used intellectual reasoning to reach their very flawed conclusions. Hence, he is probably more dangerous than two dozen boneheads.

[Tyrlop]

I agree with dimiento, don't ruin his life, and i don't think the school will kick him out if they know that he is a nazi or try to make it harder for him. you are your group should just behave calm, keep him in the study group, and act as you don't know he is a nazi, this is the best thing you can do, if you keep being good friends with him and hang out with him then you could slowly make hints that you're a far leftwing, and you have to ignore any of his hints that he properly will be laying that he is far right wing. in the end you win and he suddenly realises that communist are not as he think they are. remember to use alot of humor, don't get drunk with him. but be good friends like dimiento said.:thumbup1:

[umbilical_syllables]

Hey, Thanks for the input! My judgement is somewhat clouded by my previous friendship with him. And you're probably right. I'll get out of there as fast as possible.

[umbilical_syllables]

Hi Tyrlop!
He knows that at least I am far left-wing, I'm kind of open about it. The other guys are leftist social-democrats, so we are kind of as totally opposed to his values that you can possibly be, and none of us feel that we can act like business as usual. I'm disgusted by what he is, and the only way that would change is if he makes an total makeover and leaves right wing politics behind him forever...and I don't think that will ever happen...

[piet11111]

if he does not know that all of you know him to be a nazi you could start a study on the rise of facism and why it happened.
hopefully it might enlighten him and without ever confessing being a nazi he might just switch sides.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

or he is an infiltrator and going to kill you all (sorry but we are in chit chat after all)

[umbilical_syllables]

...we have thought about poisoning his coffee and getting it over with ;)

[Kléber]

It could be that he is just very confused politically. Many middle class people are attracted to both right wing and left wing extremism for some reason and they have a hard time choosing. The "NazBol" movement seems designed to scoop up those people before they make a decision.

Piet's suggestion sounds good, he might just not know enough about the evils of fascism, he might assume it's all media lies and buy into the crap that fascism is actually a decent "third positionist" movement as fascists present themselves when trying to win over moderates. Better to have a clear break where everyone understands what exactly the disagreements are over. Dimentio is right that it should be better to talk those issues out (as laid back as possible of course yes) but i think the assumption that he is a well-read rightist ideologue might be hasty.

[bcbm]

i'd say you should try to figure out where he stands and, if possible, try to draw him away from the right.

if that fails, ruin his life. fuck nazi sympathy.

[umbilical_syllables]

Once again thanks for the input!
If he had been just a member it wouldn't have been a problem. Then we would try to talk him out of it, because he might be, as you say Kléber, confused. That would also explain why he chose to hang out with the far left wing group in our class. But he is a former chairman of a nazi youth party, he is currently establishing a new nazi organisation in my town. The Nordic Youth, a network for northern european nationalist youth parties including the german NPD, and the notorious BNP. He is part of the swedish nationalist leadership, he's no mere member. So I think it's reasonable to suspect him to be a ideologue.

My thinking at the moment is to tell him that his views are unacceptable and cut all ties.

And if I see one fucking poster, the propaganda war is on!

[RHIZOMES]

Reminds me of the time I had a Zionist study partner

[Chambered Word]

i'd say you should try to figure out where he stands and, if possible, try to draw him away from the right.

if that fails, ruin his life. fuck nazi sympathy.

This. Make an attempt to educate him. Otherwise, purge time.

[Dr Mindbender]

Reminds me of the time I had a Zionist study partner

a nazi would be much worse.

[Kléber]

He is part of the swedish nationalist leadership, he's no mere member. So I think it's reasonable to suspect him to be a ideologue.It's possible for people even in leadership positions to have conflicted views. He could have been picked up by a Nazi cult long ago, and he has become disillusioned but doesn't have any other ideology/group to attach himself to. They probably check up with him all the time to keep him on track and force him to do stuff for their party.. those right-wing groups abuse their youth members.. even more than those left-wing groups :p. Just stay open to the possibility of liberating him since he may be looking for a way out but genuinely lack the ideological arsenal or the guts to do it alone. Hell he might even have inside knowledge about some scandals among the Nordic chieftains. His parents might be rightist leaders too so breaking with the movement could be a very difficult thing for him, personally, emotionally and financially.

What I find weird is that you were in a study group and nobody ever suspected him of having opinions that were totally different from those of everybody else. That indicates he has drifted to the left but is being kept in the "Nordic" group more or less against his will or due to his own shyness in confronting his old gauleiter (who might be his dad lol). Then again, this fact also seems to indicate that he has been spying on you guys, but it may also be that he was just trying to learn organizational tactics and steal ideas from you.

[Red Commissar]

If he's ok with their groups murdering people like they did to Björn Söderberg, then you might want to start finding a way to distance yourself from him. Probably after this semester is over or something, so it won't be obvious.

[Tyrlop]

How about Richard Scheringer. His father had been a famous general (his family was of distinguished heritage) who died in the Great War. Richard Scheringer was also an officer during the war and during the 20ies in the Reichwehr. He was a young, typical paptriot from and old family of officers. When the french occupied Ruhr in the early 20ies Scheringer joined a resistance group that performed sabotage against the french. He came in contact with nazis and participated with them in many acts. But when he openly joined the NSDAP and built up nazi cells within the Reichwehr he went to far. The Reichwehr should formally be "unpolitical". Even if the majority in this corps loved him for what he did they had to kick him out of the Reichwehr. He was sentenced to one and a half year of prison for some act and was sent to Gollnow, a fortress for political prisoners.

In Gollnow sat almost exclusively communists, so he got into an excellent school. The political prisonrs were allowed to hang around and discuss with each other. Scheringer that had fought for his country and believed that Hitler was the savior of Germany was told that there was an alternative. He threw himself into extentive political studying and after a few months he realised how horribly he had been wrong. He used to say about marxism leninism that "there's no scientific work that can refute scientific socialism".

Scheringer was the martyre of the fascists and the nationalists when he sat in Gollnow. They used him in their propaganda and the young lieutenant was well known throughout the bourgeoisie as yet one of many patriots thrown in prison by the "qvasi-bolshevik" Weimar Republic. When he demanded three days of leave it was granted him. He promised his fellow prisoners to whistle the Internationale when he came back, if Goebbles had not talked him over.

Goebbles welcomed him in Berlin but could not answer any of Scheringers questions. They traveled together to Munich and met with Hitler, but he could not provide any answers either. The Führer sent for some bottles of champagne but that failed to soften up cheringer. When he returned to Gollnow the prisoners waited in tention, the mood quickly lightened when they heard him whistle.

Scheringer wrote from the fortress to many of his fellow officers in the Reichwehr and informed them why Hitler and fascism was dangerous for Germany, he appealed to them as patriots. The communist press of cource gave a lot of publicity to this matter and it became a huge scandal within the establishment that more and more openly supported Hitler. Scheringer recieved laundry bags with post and thousands of officers and bourgeoisie wondered: How can YOU do such a thing? Your father was a hero!

But Scheringer was not moved. The left the NSDAP and declared that his sympathies now laid with communist KPD. And the reaction struck back. Scheringer anew placed in custody and sent to the Moabit prion in Berlin accused of high treason. He was put to trial in 1932. Hitler witnessed at his trial and swoar that he did not have any plans to overthrow society, that Scheringer was wrong about his plans and had fallen victim to communist indoctrination. The court appealed to Scheringers class feeling and "respectability", how could the son of a fallen general work against the Reichwehr? But Scheringer answered them that seven million unemployed mattered more to him than an old general.

Scheringer was sentencted to some time in prison but was released in 1934, one year after the nazis rise to power, and it was lots of high militaries, friends of his father that saw this through. But Scheringer did not let anything affect him, he remained an active sympathiser of KPD even though he was later drafted into the war.

Scheringer was born in Aachen. 1945 he settled as a farmer in south Germany. The communists wanted him as minister for Agriculture when the first West German goverment was formed but the french stopped this from happening, refering to his sabotage during the Ruhr-occupation. Scheringer spent time in over 20 different prisons for his communism. Even after 1945. In West Germany.

During the years 1931-1933 the communists had an important argument in the case of Richard Scheringer. The nazis had made him into a national personality and when he quit and joined the communists they did anything in their power to make people forget. But Richard Scheringers name was shouted out in all power and his example surely shaked many thinking persons within the bourgeoisie.
Fantastic story.. :lol::rolleyes::lol: