How Soccer is Ruining America: A Jeremiad

[heiss93]

How Soccer is Ruining America: A Jeremiad
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123680101041299201.html
Mar 5, 2009
Stephen H. Webb

Soccer is running America into the ground, and there is very little anyone can do about it. Social critics have long observed that we live in a therapeutic society that treats young people as if they can do no wrong. Every kid is a winner, and nobody is ever left behind, no matter how many times they watch the ball going the other way. Whether the dumbing down of America or soccer came first is hard to say, but soccer is clearly an important means by which American energy, drive, and competitiveness is being undermined to the point of no return.

What other game, to put it bluntly, is so boring to watch? (Bowling and golf come to mind, but the sound of crashing pins and the sight of the well-attired strolling on perfectly kept greens are at least inherently pleasurable activities.) The linear, two-dimensional action of soccer is like the rocking of a boat but without any storm and while the boat has not even left the dock. Think of two posses pursuing their prey in opposite directions without any bullets in their guns. Soccer is the fluoridation of the American sporting scene.

For those who think I jest, let me put forth four points, which is more points than most fans will see in a week of games—and more points than most soccer players have scored since their pee-wee days.

1) Any sport that limits you to using your feet, with the occasional bang of the head, has something very wrong with it. Indeed, soccer is a liberal’s dream of tragedy: It creates an egalitarian playing field by rigorously enforcing a uniform disability. Anthropologists commonly define man according to his use of hands. We have the thumb, an opposable digit that God gave us to distinguish us from animals that walk on all fours. The thumb lets us do things like throw baseballs and fold our hands in prayer. We can even talk with our hands. Have you ever seen a deaf person trying to talk with their feet? When you are really angry and acting like an animal, you kick out with your feet. Only fools punch a wall with their hands. The Iraqi who threw his shoes at President Bush was following his primordial instincts. Showing someone your feet, or sticking your shoes in someone’s face, is the ultimate sign of disrespect. Do kids ever say, “Trick or Treat, smell my hands”? Did Jesus wash his disciples’ hands at the Last Supper? No, hands are divine (they are one of the body parts most frequently attributed to God), while feet are in need of redemption. In all the portraits of God’s wrath, never once is he pictured as wanting to step on us or kick us; he does not stoop that low.

2) Sporting should be about breaking kids down before you start building them up. Take baseball, for example. When I was a kid, baseball was the most popular sport precisely because it was so demanding. Even its language was intimidating, with bases, bats, strikes, and outs. Striding up to the plate gave each of us a chance to act like we were starring in a Western movie, and tapping the bat to the plate gave us our first experience with inventing self-indulgent personal rituals. The boy chosen to be the pitcher was inevitably the first kid on the team to reach puberty, and he threw a hard ball right at you.

Thus, you had to face the fear of disfigurement as well as the statistical probability of striking out. The spectacle of your failure was so public that it was like having all of your friends invited to your home to watch your dad forcing you to eat your vegetables. We also spent a lot of time in the outfield chanting, “Hey batter batter!” as if we were Buddhist monks on steroids. Our chanting was compensatory behavior, a way of making the time go by, which is surely why at soccer games today it is the parents who do all of the yelling.

3) Everyone knows that soccer is a foreign invasion, but few people know exactly what is wrong with that. More than having to do with its origin, soccer is a European sport because it is all about death and despair. Americans would never invent a sport where the better you get the less you score. Even the way most games end, in sudden death, suggests something of an old-fashioned duel. How could anyone enjoy a game where so much energy results in so little advantage, and which typically ends with a penalty kick out, as if it is the audience that needs to be put out of its misery. Shootouts are such an anticlimax to the game and are so unpredictable that the teams might as well flip a coin to see who wins—indeed, they might as well flip the coin before the game, and not play at all.

4) And then there is the question of gender. I know my daughter will kick me when she reads this, but soccer is a game for girls. Girls are too smart to waste an entire day playing baseball, and they do not have the bloodlust for football. Soccer penalizes shoving and burns countless calories, and the margins of victory are almost always too narrow to afford any gloating. As a display of nearly death-defying stamina, soccer mimics the paradigmatic feminine experience of childbirth more than the masculine business of destroying your opponent with insurmountable power.

Let me conclude on a note of despair appropriate to my topic. There is no way to run away from soccer, if only because it is a sport all about running. It is as relentless as it is easy, and it is as tiring to play as it is tedious to watch. The real tragedy is that soccer is a foreign invasion, but it is not a plot to overthrow America. For those inclined toward paranoia, it would be easy to blame soccer’s success on the political left, which, after all, worked for years to bring European decadence and despair to America. The left tried to make existentialism, Marxism, post-structuralism, and deconstructionism fashionable in order to weaken the clarity, pragmatism, and drive of American culture. What the left could not accomplish through these intellectual fads, one might suspect, they are trying to accomplish through sport.

Yet this suspicion would be mistaken. Soccer is of foreign origin, that is certainly true, but its promotion and implementation are thoroughly domestic. Soccer is a self-inflicted wound. Americans have nobody to blame but themselves. Conservative suburban families, the backbone of America, have turned to soccer in droves. Baseball is too intimidating, football too brutal, and basketball takes too much time to develop the required skills. American parents in the past several decades are overworked and exhausted, but their children are overweight and neglected. Soccer is the perfect antidote to television and video games. It forces kids to run and run, and everyone can play their role, no matter how minor or irrelevant to the game. Soccer and relevision are the peanut butter and jelly of parenting.

I should know. I am an overworked teacher, with books to read and books to write, and before I put in a video for the kids to watch while I work in the evenings, they need to have spent some of their energy. Otherwise, they want to play with me! Last year all three of my kids were on three different soccer teams at the same time. My daughter is on a traveling team, and she is quite good. I had to sign a form that said, among other things, I would not do anything embarrassing to her or the team during the game. I told the coach I could not sign it. She was perplexed and worried. “Why not,” she asked? “Are you one of those parents who yells at their kids? “Not at all,” I replied, “I read books on the sidelines during the game, and this embarrasses my daughter to no end.” That is my one way of protesting the rise of this pitiful sport. Nonetheless, I must say that my kids and I come home from a soccer game a very happy family.

Stephen H. Webb is a professor of religion and philosophy at Wabash College. His recent books include American Providence (http://www.amazon.com/American-Providence-Stephen-H-Webb/dp/0826418554/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228774196&sr=8-1)and Taking Religion to School (http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Religion-School-Christian-Education/dp/1587430029/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228774224&sr=1-1).
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/03/how-soccer-is-ruining-america-

[Havet]

Soccer is a game for girls...WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But that means....that....that....that i'm a girl!!!! What the hell? How could i not found out about that all these years, when I was young and full of energy and spent my afternoons playing this now apparently estrogeneous sport?

/sarcasm

lol

[cska]

What the hell???? I am going to ignore your blatant sexism and respond to your other points.

1) God can go to hell. When people want to shoot each other, they use their hands, not their feet. When a man beats his wife, he uses his hands, not his feet. How is that divine?

2) You were complaining about soccer being boring because it has linear and two-dimensional action, but like baseball? Soccer is one of the most dynamic, exciting and versatile sports around. Baseball, on the other hand is the ideal boring game, with extremely structured, linear play.

3) What the hell are you talking about? The better you get, the more goals you score. Maybe the MLS used to work differently, with better teams concentrating on defence, but even it has changed now.

Anyways, is that sexism grounds for restriction or banning?

[Havet]

Anyways, is that sexism grounds for restriction or banning?

I don't think that he agrees with the author of the article just because he posted the article. Perhaps he just thinks his views were so idiotic that OIers could use a laugh. I might be wrong, tho.

[Raúl Duke]

Yo, at least in soccer people don't stop so often as in football...I can't even stand watching football much and in comparison to soccer I've actually enjoyed watching a few soccer games (like Barcelona vs Man Utd last summer).

His work/reasoning is stupid and I believe it only came about because he hates soccer and yet his daughter plays soccer. If I had a father like that I would probably despise him since he doesn't even care about the sport I'm trying to excel at.

For the life of me I can't understand why there're so many idiot "professors" in American universities.

[Scary Monster]

:lol: What the hell is this guy talking about?? :lol: It just sounds like random rambling and his logic makes no sense at all!

[gorillafuck]

Why did you post this?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Lol?

I think?

[Bud Struggle]

This is nonsense.

[ComradeMan]

Soccer.... do they mean IL CALCIO!!!! Football

They are only saying that because of sour grapes and not having won anything....

American Football sucks! Rugby is a better and harder game, the only problem is Italy haven't been very good at it.... ! LOL!!!

[Bud Struggle]

It's just about how your were brought up. To me soccer is a bunch of guys running endlessly back and forth in a field wearing short pants.

Football (American) is like watching a sales manager's conference on TV. All they do is talk and then occasionally move a few feet to the left.

Give me curling anyday. Sliding tea kettles on ice and wiping away any dust that may settle there with little brushes is what real sport is to me. :)

[Dr Mindbender]

America is ruining football by calling it soccer. :lol:


BTW: 'American' football is just rugby for pansies.

[Drace]

Ok at first when I read the title I was like WTF, maybe its figurative language...
But no, its actually a long rant about how soccer is evil. Really? :lol:

[cska]

I don't think that he agrees with the author of the article just because he posted the article. Perhaps he just thinks his views were so idiotic that OIers could use a laugh. I might be wrong, tho.

My mistake. When I saw "For those who think I jest, let me put forth four points" I thought this guy this guy was being serious. Anyways, anyone ever heard of Wabash College?

[Raúl Duke]

Anyways, anyone ever heard of Wabash College?

Nope

But I looked it up and I think it's an all-guys liberal arts college
http://www.wabash.edu/

[heiss93]

I thought it was an interesting if simplistic exposition of "American exceptionalism".

I listened to Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto is a book written by Chuck Klosterman's idiotic rant about how soccer was destroying Ayn Randist will to dominate, and forcing egalitarianism Khmer rouge.

Heres another on the socialism of soccer:http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/12/20/hog_the_ball_kid/

[heiss93]

My mistake. When I saw "For those who think I jest, let me put forth four points" I thought this guy this guy was being serious. Anyways, anyone ever heard of Wabash College?

Well while I certainly don't advocate this nut's views.

I think the author IS serious, if a bit tongue in cheek.The points in this article are perfectly in line with his "real" views so I don't think he's a Stephen Colbert.

He argues that Christians should support imperialism and globalization to build a world christian empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_H._Webb

Most recently, Webb has turned his attention to politics, culture, popular culture, and liberal advocacy. Within this field, Webb has generated positive and negative reviews with his book American Providence (Continuum, 2004) in which he defends the idea that the doctrine of providence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Providence) has been a crucial ingredient in American history and American identity. Providential interpretations of American national aspirations went into decline after the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War), but with President Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush)'s openness regarding the role of faith in his presidency, providence has returned to the public square. Webb argues that even anti-Americanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism) is dependent upon providential logic, because conspiracy theories about how evil America is grant America a special role in world history. He also argues that the future belongs to the triad of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism), democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), and various forms of evangelical Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Christianity), not limited to explicitly evangelical churches (a statement concerning Catholicism's role in this mission is forthcoming). One of his controversial essays on politics is “On the True Globalism and the False, or Why Christians Should Not Worry So Much about American Imperialism,” in Anxious About Empire: Theological Essays on the New Global Realities, ed. Wes Avram (Grand Rapids: Brazos Press, 2004), pp. 119–128. William T. Cavanaugh has criticized his connection of providence and politics in his essay, "Messianic Nation," in University of St. Thomas Law Journal (Fall 2005), pp. 261-280, available online at: http://www.jesusradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/messianic-nation.pdf

[Drace]

He mentions his a teacher. Might be just a rhetorical example of writing for his students?

[Raúl Duke]

Well while I certainly don't advocate this nut's views.

I think the author IS serious, if a bit tongue in cheek.The points in this article are perfectly in line with his "real" views so I don't think he's a Stephen Colbert.

He argues that Christians should support imperialism and globalization to build a world christian empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_H._Webb

Most recently, Webb has turned his attention to politics, culture, popular culture, and liberal advocacy. Within this field, Webb has generated positive and negative reviews with his book American Providence (Continuum, 2004) in which he defends the idea that the doctrine of providence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Providence) has been a crucial ingredient in American history and American identity. Providential interpretations of American national aspirations went into decline after the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War), but with President Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush)'s openness regarding the role of faith in his presidency, providence has returned to the public square. Webb argues that even anti-Americanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism) is dependent upon providential logic, because conspiracy theories about how evil America is grant America a special role in world history. He also argues that the future belongs to the triad of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism), democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), and various forms of evangelical Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Christianity), not limited to explicitly evangelical churches (a statement concerning Catholicism's role in this mission is forthcoming). One of his controversial essays on politics is “On the True Globalism and the False, or Why Christians Should Not Worry So Much about American Imperialism,” in Anxious About Empire: Theological Essays on the New Global Realities, ed. Wes Avram (Grand Rapids: Brazos Press, 2004), pp. 119–128. William T. Cavanaugh has criticized his connection of providence and politics in his essay, "Messianic Nation," in University of St. Thomas Law Journal (Fall 2005), pp. 261-280, available online at: http://www.jesusradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/messianic-nation.pdf

He sounds like an ideologue of sorts, part of the intellectual elite (not the liberal one but the social conservative one). He writes this stuff as an attempt to give a "popular" explicit justification (instead of the usual implicit ones given by the media) for U.S. imperialism, etc and to give some fuel to the American exceptionalism concept.

There are others like him, writing explicit "popular" justification for imperialism, etc but it seems they haven't really gotten far (I'm not sure anyone would out-right support American imperialism; and even if they did they would refer to it differently).

[Publius]

I plan on watching every single game of the World Cup this summer.

That doesn't really have anything to do with anything, I just think it's a great plan and want to tell the world about it.

[Ele'ill]

I read the first five lines of this thread and remembered how great I was at soccer. This thread has motivated me to tackle my life's obstacles right in the back of the legs because a red card just means you get to sit and eat oranges for a while. :lol:

[brigadista]

its football - and its the beautiful game:)

[bcbm]

America is ruining football by calling it soccer. :lol:


BTW: 'American' football is just rugby for pansies.

pansy is a homophobic slur. don't use it.

[Kingpin]

Stop playing soccer and play Lacrosse!

The history behind the game is much more brutal, it combines variables of soccer, tennis, fencing, hockey, football, pole combat, and hand-to-hand combat.

Here is an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4_BJ0aadiI

The author disabled embed, so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4_BJ0aadiI


This is a REAL game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7ZhHlK7HQ

[Ele'ill]

Stop playing soccer and play Lacrosse!

The history behind the game is much more brutal, it combines variables of soccer, tennis, fencing, hockey, football, pole combat, and hand-to-hand combat.

Here is an example:

W4_BJ0aadiI

The author disabled embed, so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4_BJ0aadiI


This is a REAL game
mL7ZhHlK7HQ


So basically it's an attempt at field hockey to be as badass as Ice hockey. FAIL.

[Kingpin]

North American indigenous people played it with skulls of dead people as the ball.

The game field would sometimes be over a mile long.

[The Red Next Door]

Yo, at least in soccer people don't stop so often as in football...I can't even stand watching football much and in comparison to soccer I've actually enjoyed watching a few soccer games (like Barcelona vs Man Utd last summer).

His work/reasoning is stupid and I believe it only came about because he hates soccer and yet his daughter plays soccer. If I had a father like that I would probably despise him since he doesn't even care about the sport I'm trying to excel at.

For the life of me I can't understand why there're so many idiot "professors" in American universities.
we had a real snotty one come to our school, *****ing about he do not like getting up in the morning. Telling us how much he makes, who cares and he was sort of insulting us.

[The Red Next Door]

Did they put some stupid backwater hick in the university because there wasn't enough staff?

[Sendo]

pansy is a homophobic slur. don't use it.

Is "wimp" also homophobic? What's the content of a homophobic slur? I assumed it would be with degrading homosexuality, eg cock-sucker, homo, fag, pillow-biter.

"Pansy" as far as I know means a "wuss". I find it homophobic to assume that gays should correlate with personality types. Or are we not allowed to denigrate anything anymore? I think that "ultimate frisbee" is American football/rugby for the sissiest of hippies. Is "sissy" homophobic? And I don't want to hear bullshit about how XX was associated with gays. Big penises and being a sexual demon were racistly associated with blacks, but should those concepts be dropped from our vocabulary? I find dick and pussy or **** to be far more offensive on the sexuality/gender field of discrimination. They refer to genitals.

****A pansy is a delicate flower. What the fuck does that have to be with being homophobic?****

[Havet]

pansy is a homophobic slur. don't use it.

What the hell?

Pansy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought#Symbol) is the symbol of freethought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought) !

[Kayser_Soso]

Thanks to the OP for finding this gem. I've been looking for an example of a typical right-wing pundit article to tear apart.

You have made me very happy.

[RGacky3]

pansy is a homophobic slur. don't use it.

I think equating every insult to a persons toughness with homophobia, is pretty damn homophobic.

For Gods sake, enough of this, stop being a pansy (can I say pussy).

[bcbm]

"Pansy" as far as I know means a "wuss".

from the dictionary:

"2 a usually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy b usually disparaging : a male homosexual"

b being the relevant one in this case.

the top definition on urban dictionary:

"A sissy, fag, fairy, or one that is generally unmanly."

fag and fairy being the relevant synonyms.


I think equating every insult to a persons toughness with homophobia, is pretty damn homophobic.how is bringing up the fact that one word has historically been a homophobic slur equating every insult to a person's toughness with homophobia?

[RadioRaheem84]

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Any Questions?

[ComradeMan]

The beautiful game....



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Then there is the eternal....


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[danny bohy]

its called football you faggot.

[Wanted Man]

Where do they find people, and how do they find work? These writers, that is.

[Nwoye]

its called football you faggot.
quit it with the homophobic language.

[Havet]

quit it with the homophobic language.

The term has additional meanings in British English, where "faggot" traditionally means a bundle of sticks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28wood%29) and faggots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29) are a kind of meatball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatball).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28slang%29#cite_note-2) In British English, "fag" is common slang for a cigarette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette) or for hard work. In some UK public schools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_school_%28UK%29), fagging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging) was the name given to the practice where a younger boy (a "fag") acted as an unpaid servant for an older boy.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

"But I will give America credit for one thing: We know soccer is bullshit."

Bill Maher

[Nwoye]

The term has additional meanings in British English, where "faggot" traditionally means a bundle of sticks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28wood%29) and faggots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29) are a kind of meatball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatball).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28slang%29#cite_note-2) In British English, "fag" is common slang for a cigarette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette) or for hard work. In some UK public schools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_school_%28UK%29), fagging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging) was the name given to the practice where a younger boy (a "fag") acted as an unpaid servant for an older boy.
oh thanks I really didn't know that faggot also meant a bundle of sticks and that fag also meant cigarrette. I apologize because obviously the poster in question was using the word as a pejorative referring to "a bundle of sticks" or "a kind of meatball". It didn't have anything to do with faggot being a derogatory term for homosexual.

give me a break.

[Havet]

oh thanks I really didn't know that faggot also meant a bundle of sticks and that fag also meant cigarrette. I apologize because obviously the poster in question was using the word as a pejorative referring to "a bundle of sticks" or "a kind of meatball". It didn't have anything to do with faggot being a derogatory term for homosexual.

It just goes to show that words have different roots and just because they are used in a derogatory manner doesn't mean they are inherently homophobic.


give me a break.

Careful now, you're beginning to sound like a right-libertarian. John Stossel, specifically.

[Dr Mindbender]

pansy is a homophobic slur. don't use it.

Maybe theres more subconcious homophobia on your part in that you think homosexuality is automatically synomonous with delicateness, weakness, flowers etc.

What Sendo says.



from the dictionary:

"2 a usually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy b usually disparaging : a male homosexual"
In this case a (as in weakness, not effeminacy) weakness was the correct context, and secondly i wasnt necessarilly referring to men.





the top definition on urban dictionary:

"A sissy, fag, fairy, or one that is generally unmanly."

fag and fairy being the relevant synonyms.
Since when did urban dictionary become a literary authority rather than the parody that it is?

Stop digging for dirt that is'nt there.

[Ele'ill]

oh thanks I really didn't know that faggot also meant a bundle of sticks and that fag also meant cigarrette. I apologize because obviously the poster in question was using the word as a pejorative referring to "a bundle of sticks" or "a kind of meatball". It didn't have anything to do with faggot being a derogatory term for homosexual.

give me a break.

:lol:

[Drace]

Pansy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansy)

[Publius]

Careful now, you're beginning to sound like a right-libertarian. John Stossel, specifically.

Wait, so you can hear his mustache over the internet?

Technology just gets more amazing every day.

[Kayser_Soso]

Yes, competition and fair play ruin everything. PLUS OH MY GOD IT MAKES MONEY.

What a sick world we live in. You cracker jack dipshits.

Wow, that was incredibly coherent. Do tell us more.

[GPDP]

Wow, that was incredibly coherent. Do tell us more.

Don't feed the troll.

[Kayser_Soso]

Don't feed the troll.

He cannot troll a troll. But yeah it was pretty obvious he was a troll seeing as how he posted naked photos of his mom in several threads.

[Havet]

Wait, so you can hear his mustache over the internet?

Technology just gets more amazing every day.

No, but he has a show where he repeatedly says: "give me a break".

[Jimmie Higgins]

...gimme a break, break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.:rolleyes:

This is officially the worst active thread. Soccer, football, whatever. As long as I can get drunk with some friends, I can enjoy almost any team sport.

There are three community soccer fields within 2 miles of my apartment and they are always full on the weekends... viva futbol! Viva desportes de los trabajadores.

Golf and tennis should be banned though:cool:.

[Havet]

Golf and tennis should be banned though:cool:.

Why?!

[Jimmie Higgins]

Why?!
Why not?:lol: Seriously, I was just joking. I don't like these sports (also add synchronized swimming, polo, and ice-skating) - but if other people do, what does it matter what I think of these sports. I was just making fun of this anti-soccer sentiment from the original article.

[RGacky3]

from the dictionary:

"2 a usually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy b usually disparaging : a male homosexual"

b being the relevant one in this case.

the top definition on urban dictionary:

"A sissy, fag, fairy, or one that is generally unmanly."

fag and fairy being the relevant synonyms.


Quote:
I think equating every insult to a persons toughness with homophobia, is pretty damn homophobic.
how is bringing up the fact that one word has historically been a homophobic slur equating every insult to a person's toughness with homophobia?

I guarantee you the vast majority of people don't think of homosexuality when they hear the word pansy, stop making discrimination in areas where ther is none.

Because you know as well as I know that he was'nt refering to homosexuals, and you know as well as I know that pansy is NOT generally used as a homosexual slur, (I've never heard it used that way), and you know as well as I know that pansy is a word attaking someones toughness, it may have been used as a slur (although I've never heard it used as one) because some bigots thinkg homosexuals are somehow less tough than hederosexuals, but that does'nt make it a homosexual slurr.


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Any Questions?

Yeah ...... What?????



Quote:
Originally Posted by danny bohy
its called football you faggot.
quit it with the homophobic language.

He was being funny.

[bcbm]

Maybe theres more subconcious homophobia on your part in that you think homosexuality is automatically synomonous with delicateness, weakness, flowers etc.

you're quite fond of making offensive accusations against me, aren't you? i used to use "pansy" in the way you do, and then one day i discovered it was also a derogatory term for homosexuals, so i stopped using it.


In this case a (as in weakness, not effeminacy) weakness was the correct context, and secondly i wasnt necessarilly referring to men.

i got what you were saying, but i was pointing out that the term has an offensive character. you don't think there is any correlation between the fact that it means weakness and effeminacy and is a derogatory term for gay people? it isn't any "subconscious homophobia" on my part, its very conscious homophobia that has existed in western culture.


Stop digging for dirt that is'nt there.

the same definition is in the standard dictionary. i'm not digging for dirt, i'm pointing out that a word has a problematic use, something i assumed a leftist would want to know.

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I guarantee you the vast majority of people don't think of homosexuality when they hear the word pansy

yes, and lots of people don't think of homosexuality when they call something gay or call their friend a fag, that doesn't mean there is no connection.

[Che a chara]

i have to get in here. soccer (FOOTBALL !!!) is the best sport on the planet. it promotes teamwork and most of all it is fun to play in and very entertaining to watch. name another sport that has the amount of controlled aggression, agility, speed and in which the players over the NON-STOP (except for 15min half time break) 90mins can run a distance of 7miles per game !!??? I'm saying this as an american football fan too (notice my user name).

No other game/sport in the universe can compete with what football delivers.... comradeship, emotional ecstasy, a felling of well-being etc, i can go on and on...

[brigadista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY5SE3hZxjo&feature=related