We should begin a discussion on how can a United Socialist Front reach state-power

[LeninistKing]

Hello My friends, i am realist, and i know that politics (right-wing and left-wing politics) requires a lot of money. Politics is expensive, a United Socialist Front would also require millions of dollars in order to reach state-power.

I think that all of us here who are eager for a workers-state in our own lifetime in USA, should begin a discussion based on sociological and political knowledge of US politics, a discussion on how can a United Socialist Workers Front in the USA reach power (thru elections, the tactics to get the money it needs, etc etc.)

Lets be impatient, like a person who weighs 300 lbs. and is really impatient about losing weight. We have to push for a socialist government in USA, because as time goes by the neoliberal-capitalist system is making us all poorer and more desperate

Just like Lenin's book: "What is to be done"

Take care

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words are cheap. i don't expect much of anything from Trumka. radical activists within unions or other working class organizations have to be the spark plugs for actions that break out out of the longstanding death march called the Democratic Party.

[Muzk]

Hello My friends, i am realist, and i know that politics (right-wing and left-wing politics) requires a lot of money. Politics is expensive, a United Socialist Front would also require millions of dollars in order to reach state-power.

The problem is, we don't need to buy power, we just take it - have always taken, and always will. I hope. I don't think we are very rich either. Not even together - I can't imagine workers overthrowing the state with money...

[Comrade Anarchist]

Why, because as history tells us whenever a "red" state comes to power many people suffer in mass genocide and it also destroys the individual in favor of the collective. Seems like a shitty idea to me.

[Muzk]

Why, because as history tells us whenever a "red" state comes to power many people suffer in mass genocide and it also destroys the individual in favor of the collective. Seems like a shitty idea to me.

Why, because as history tells us whenever a "red" state comes to power it increases the living standard of all the people, pushes a country forward and weakens global capitalist oppression and it also destroys the capitalist in favor of the worker.
Seems like an awesome idea to me.

[Tzadikim]

For one, we need to completely disabuse ourselves of any illusion that we will ever effect change by means of the bourgeois electoral State. Even in those regions where Communists are electable - as in India - we have seen next to no movement in the final task, which is the collectivization of the means of production. And this task must be our chief focus.

However, we also must realize that at the time class-consciousness the world over is at an historically low level, and may continue to ebb for quite some time. We therefore must not rely solely on revolutionary proletarian action as the only way forward.

I believe that, until such a time as the working-class does once again engage itself in a revolutionary manner, we must be pro-active in the area of economics. We must organize co-operatives; we must research new tools amicable towards collectivization; we must ignore bourgeois politics entirely and create a durable superstructure which can one day supplant the existing state of things. Only then, when we render our programme demonstrable to the workers, can we expect to enlist their aid.

[LeninistKing]

Hello, you are 100% right, i mean electoral-department in USA is owned by capitalists. So we can theorize and come to the conclusion that for a Socialist Front to reach government-power in USA, they have to do it outside of elections, either thru a big crisis, a coup de etat, an uprising etc.

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For one, we need to completely disabuse ourselves of any illusion that we will ever effect change by means of the bourgeois electoral State. Even in those regions where Communists are electable - as in India - we have seen next to no movement in the final task, which is the collectivization of the means of production. And this task must be our chief focus.

However, we also must realize that at the time class-consciousness the world over is at an historically low level, and may continue to ebb for quite some time. We therefore must not rely solely on revolutionary proletarian action as the only way forward.

I believe that, until such a time as the working-class does once again engage itself in a revolutionary manner, we must be pro-active in the area of economics. We must organize co-operatives; we must research new tools amicable towards collectivization; we must ignore bourgeois politics entirely and create a durable superstructure which can one day supplant the existing state of things. Only then, when we render our programme demonstrable to the workers, can we expect to enlist their aid.

[Tzadikim]

Hello, you are 100% right, i mean electoral-department in USA is owned by capitalists. So we can theorize and come to the conclusion that for a Socialist Front to reach government-power in USA, they have to do it outside of elections, either thru a big crisis, a coup de etat, an uprising etc.

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I believe the best thing we can do today in not worry about seizing power for the time being - look at the general tendency today in America and you will see that this is folly - and instead begin coming up with concrete methods to improve our prestige among the working class.

And the best way to do this is to demonstrate to them the validity of communal economics directly. No capitalist form of economics is as immediately demonstrable as ours are.

[candct2010]

I honestly think that it is not going to happen not that i dont want it to but most of your average american populus is afraid of the word socialism and or communism and if they dont fear the words they greatly misunderstad the meaning i mean there are tons of people who belive that obama is a socialist and we all know that is not the case but they do belive it. in my opinion there has never been a more misjudged polictical party than that of the socialists and the communists. but as far as how we could do it i think what i said above says it all people need to be educated on what our parties realy stand for not what they are presumed to be and when that happens i think mass amounts of people will be drawn to the parties, truly giving us the opertunity to make a diffrence within the U.S.

[Tzadikim]

I honestly think that it is not going to happen not that i dont want it to but most of your average american populus is afraid of the word socialism and or communism and if they dont fear the words they greatly misunderstad the meaning i mean there are tons of people who belive that obama is a socialist and we all know that is not the case but they do belive it. in my opinion there has never been a more misjudged polictical party than that of the socialists and the communists. but as far as how we could do it i think what i said above says it all people need to be educated on what our parties realy stand for not what they are presumed to be and when that happens i think mass amounts of people will be drawn to the parties, truly giving us the opertunity to make a diffrence within the U.S.

I agree. And the best way to educate the workers about socialism, or anyone about anything for that matter, is to show, rather than tell. We need to physically show socialism in action.

[RedSonRising]

Unifying various influential parties towards specific goals would be the first step. Among those goals should be the establishment of worker-run factory and housing projects where the homeless and unemployed can 1. sustain a living and 2. experience self-management and become attracted to the socialist ideal...establishing a coordinated charity project, education workshops and lectures in numerous areas, and creating new, creative, media-catching and ideologically salient forms of protest and promotion. All of this would have to come under the label or symbol of this coalition in order to represent an ideal with depth and momentum. Collaboration with musical/non-musical artists of all subtypes and levels of all genres and backgrounds would help create a culture around the movement. An all out explosion of influence of what this group represents into every accessible facet of society (without seeming authoritatively imposing) is the only way to create a new and credible face for socialism while we mobilize and educate society through the recruitment of the working class. Regardless of whether this movement would center around an electoral party, a militant organization, or a non-profit organization, the substance, relentlessness, capacity for potential growth, and variety through which the working class could exemplify (not only theorize about) socialism and enthuse society with revolutionary vigor is absolutely necessary and possible.

[LeninistKing]

Hello, i agree with you 100% in that even though there are lots of smart people in USA, lots of americans who get their news from the internet alternative news websites, there are still many other millions of americans who still rely on traditional sources for political-knowledge. And that is why they are so un-informed about political-science. But i think that with the internet, with the popularity of Hugo Chavez around the world, with the popularity of Michael Moore, socialism will become mainstream ideology pretty soon in USA.

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I honestly think that it is not going to happen not that i dont want it to but most of your average american populus is afraid of the word socialism and or communism and if they dont fear the words they greatly misunderstad the meaning i mean there are tons of people who belive that obama is a socialist and we all know that is not the case but they do belive it. in my opinion there has never been a more misjudged polictical party than that of the socialists and the communists. but as far as how we could do it i think what i said above says it all people need to be educated on what our parties realy stand for not what they are presumed to be and when that happens i think mass amounts of people will be drawn to the parties, truly giving us the opertunity to make a diffrence within the U.S.

[LeninistKing]

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I think that USA is like the movie The Matrix. Most people in America escape reality every afternoon either thru TV, internet or music. if all americans at the same time quit their TVs radios and computers for a week, americans would land real hard on real-reality and there would be a revolution in this country. So the excess of entertainments and hobbies in the americans lifestyle is what disconnects them from this ugly reality of the capitalist system we all live in

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Unifying various influential parties towards specific goals would be the first step. Among those goals should be the establishment of worker-run factory and housing projects where the homeless and unemployed can 1. sustain a living and 2. experience self-management and become attracted to the socialist ideal...establishing a coordinated charity project, education workshops and lectures in numerous areas, and creating new, creative, media-catching and ideologically salient forms of protest and promotion. All of this would have to come under the label or symbol of this coalition in order to represent an ideal with depth and momentum. Collaboration with musical/non-musical artists of all subtypes and levels of all genres and backgrounds would help create a culture around the movement. An all out explosion of influence of what this group represents into every accessible facet of society (without seeming authoritatively imposing) is the only way to create a new and credible face for socialism while we mobilize and educate society through the recruitment of the working class. Regardless of whether this movement would center around an electoral party, a militant organization, or a non-profit organization, the substance, relentlessness, capacity for potential growth, and variety through which the working class could exemplify (not only theorize about) socialism and enthuse society with revolutionary vigor is absolutely necessary and possible.