Dissociatives (DXM, Ketamine, PCP)

[synthesis]

Does anyone actually enjoy taking dissociatives? I've taken enough drugs to know what I like and what I don't, but everything I've seen, heard, and read about dissociatives sounds just awful. I don't see what's so great about being totally enveloped by fear and becoming completely convinced that you're dead or dying. But some people are really into that shit. Anyone want to explain the appeal?

[RHIZOMES]

Probably best to put this in the stonertalk thread, there will be less anti-drug rants that way.

I tried DXM but I took under the recommended dose so I just ended up feeling sick with slight hallucinations then I feel asleep for the majority of it. Also DXM is only insane in the way you mentioned it at the third plateau onwards.

You should probably ask LeninBalls.

[bcbm]

i would imagine its appealing in the same way that watching horror movies is appealing?

[bricolage]

Ket is very fun, dunno about the other two.

[Misanthrope]

I have tried DXM and DPH. I was being drug tested and I unfortunately turned to DPH for about a month I did it on a regular basis until 750mg would not make me high. It feels like shit, you feel hopeless, have random panic attacks, think insects are everywhere ect. The first time it is pretty chill but after that, it is hell.

[synthesis]

i would imagine its appealing in the same way that watching horror movies is appealing?

Yeah, but just because I enjoy watching New Jack City doesn't mean I want to be Nino Brown. That feeling of fear isn't something I enjoy experiencing myself, which seems to be the case with dissociatives like DXM.

I personally like horror movies not because they scare me (they don't) but because I can laugh at the protagonists' stupid mistakes. Like, how many times will this dumb teenager trip on a god damn branch?


I have tried DXM and DPH. I was being drug tested and I unfortunately turned to DPH for about a month I did it on a regular basis until 750mg would not make me high. It feels like shit, you feel hopeless, have random panic attacks, think insects are everywhere ect. The first time it is pretty chill but after that, it is hell.Yeah, I have a buddy who recently said "fuck it" and took 1500mg of DXM, his first time. That was really what prompted this thread. He was sort of coming down while I was reading about it on Erowid, which said something to the effect of "most users report a constant feeling of fear" and that "they become completely convinced they are dying or dead."

All I could think was, "Why the fuck would anyone want to do this to themselves? This sounds like the worst drug ever." But some people get really into it, for some reason. I have another friend who told me she can't be around her people from high school because she'll just want to do PCP with them. Again, all I could think was: "The fuck?"

The other crazy thing I read on Erowid was about a guy, addicted to ketamine, gets cut off from his supply, so he starts thinking about killing himself just to get high because he so strongly associated the experience of the K-Hole with the feeling of being dead. Why the fuck would you want this?

[synthesis]

Probably best to put this in the stonertalk thread, there will be less anti-drug rants that way.

There are still people like that here? God, that's depressing.

[Os Cangaceiros]

All I could think was, "Why the fuck would anyone want to do this to themselves? This sounds like the worst drug ever." But some people get really into it, for some reason.

Some people get off on the feeling of imminent danger. I guess because they like the surge of adrenaline you get from being scared out of your mind.

I don't know if that's what it's like on DXM, though, as I've never taken a big enough dose of it to feel it's dissociative properties.

[bcbm]

we took that crappy low dose of dph that one time though. :lol:

[Os Cangaceiros]

LOL, yeah. That only made me feel drowsy. :lol:

The things we'll do when there are no substances to abuse...

[LeninBalls]

DXM and DPH are way different things. I abused both and preferred DXM by a mile. It's kind of like being on acid (kind of) while under anesthesia. I enjoyed it, but too much like any other drug will fry your brain.

[Patchd]

Does anyone actually enjoy taking dissociatives? I've taken enough drugs to know what I like and what I don't, but everything I've seen, heard, and read about dissociatives sounds just awful. I don't see what's so great about being totally enveloped by fear and becoming completely convinced that you're dead or dying. But some people are really into that shit. Anyone want to explain the appeal?
I think the point is that not everyone experiences a dying feeling on most occasions when taking dissociatives, I know I don't. Personally I haven't tried PCP (wasn't aware it was a dissociative), but I do like ketamine and DXM whenever I can (be arsed to) get them. I've never experienced a dying feeling, or been enveloped in fear, but I do associate my DXM and ketamine experiences with something that I can only describe as industrial or mechanical, which is dark in image.

For me, sometimes things may seem bleaker, but reality is so much more distorted that you may feel like you're in a matrix sort of reality, or flying spaceships, I tend to move a fair deal on k and dxm too, again different for individuals. You should try them if you're curious and know how it has affected other people, but don't do them when you're worrying because your experience won't be as good because of it, they can be quite hallucinogenic and like anything thats hallucinogenic the trips can go both ways.


Why the fuck would you want this?
Because some people are fucked up, I know when I get into a depressed mental state, my drugs use goes up.

[Sasha]

i recently had an guy going to shit at my work who took an COMBINATION of ketamine and GHB and a lot of alcohol.
he ended up incubated in an ambulance offcourse, i was realy like what the fuck, why would you combine those?

[revolution inaction]

I've taken ketamine a few times, it never made me feel like i was dieing or afraid.
I did used to smoke weed while watching horror films though, so i would experience them more intensely.

[synthesis]

i recently had an guy going to shit at my work who took an COMBINATION of ketamine and GHB and a lot of alcohol.
he ended up incubated in an ambulance offcourse, i was realy like what the fuck, why would you combine those?

That reminds me of this New Years Eve party a few years ago. I started the night by taking maybe seven or eight Irish Car Bombs, then around 1 we railed some morphine that was lying around. Finally, around 3, my buddy shows up with a bunch of benzos (Lorazepam, I think). Bad fucking idea.

Apparently my eyes were fixed to the back of my head; I was unconscious and vomiting. My other buddy's brother says he doesn't know how I survived. You're not supposed to mix alcohol and benzos, alcohol and opiates, and opiates and benzos. I did all three. Fucking stupid. I should have gone to the hospital, but fuck that, right?

[Redmau5]

I don't see what's so great about being totally enveloped by fear and becoming completely convinced that you're dead or dying. But some people are really into that shit. Anyone want to explain the appeal?

That's never happened to me or anyone I know with ketamine. Quite the opposite.

[Stand Your Ground]

There are still people like that here? God, that's depressing.
What's wrong with people who are against drugs? They destroy your body and your mind.

[synthesis]

What's wrong with people who are against drugs? They destroy your body and your mind.

Thanks, but I didn't really need you to tell me that. Contrary to what is often assumed by the left's own peculiar brand of puritan, many "druggies" are perfectly capable of gathering the appropriate information and making their own choices about how to spend their free time.

And I never said there was anything wrong with being against drugs. I simply stated that I find it depressing when I come across people who feel the need to interject themselves into any conversation about drugs so as to preach about the benefits of puritan living - to strangers on the Internet, no less.

It's not depressing enough to warrant a downward spiral into heavy drug use, but it could get there, and that would just be counter-productive for you, wouldn't it?

[Stand Your Ground]

Thanks, but I didn't really need you to tell me that. Contrary to what is often assumed by the left's own peculiar brand of puritan, many "druggies" are perfectly capable of gathering the appropriate information and making their own choices about how to spend their free time.

And I never said there was anything wrong with being against drugs. I simply stated that I find it depressing when I come across people who feel the need to interject themselves into any conversation about drugs so as to preach about the benefits of puritan living - to strangers on the Internet, no less.

It's not depressing enough to warrant a downward spiral into heavy drug use, but it could get there, and that would just be counter-productive for you, wouldn't it?
Yes but many druggies start by, 'only doing it once in a while' and get hooked and destroy their own lives and possibly others lives. I only responded because I thought you were trying to stab at anti-druggies.

[Tablo]

I've taken DXM before. I had some mild hallucinations and felt a little sick to the stomach, but that was it. Really lame.

[Sprocket Hole]

Yes but many druggies start by, 'only doing it once in a while' and get hooked and destroy their own lives and possibly others lives. I only responded because I thought you were trying to stab at anti-druggies.

Lighten' up man! What you need is some drugs!

[Quail]

I did used to smoke weed while watching horror films though, so i would experience them more intensely.
That doesn't sound appealing at all to me. Does that not spin you out all the time?

I've tried DXM and ketamine, but I've never taken enough to fully dissociate. I really like DXM though, how it makes you feel like you're watching someone else moving. I was going to type something else about it but I've forgotten what I was going to say.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I've done K unfortunately, but not the other two - unless it's the ingredient in the motion sickness pills I over-took one time.

However, I did have an intensely dissociative experience from a bad trip after 5 hits of acid. I don't remember ever thinking I was dead specifically, but I did loose all sense of self and (as cheesy as this sounds) became nothing, in retrospect it seemed to me like I fell into the space between atoms - indistinguishable from the atoms of everything else around me. It was the climax of a really terrible 12 hour bad trip and I would never purposefully want to recreate that experience, but it was really sublime and an amazing experience that made me want to make the most of like and also reflect on death and realize that if that death is just nothingness, it's not too bad. So I could see why someone might want to get there on some other (more fast-acting and less long-lasting) substance such as DMT.


I did used to smoke weed while watching horror films though, so i would experience them more intensely.Used to? It's a requirement if you like these both of these things by themselves! :lol: It's like peanut butter and chocolate.

28 days later, the Blair Witch Project, the Host, Devil's Backbone, The Ring, Grudge 2... all much better in a theater (in Oakland where people talk to the characters and make fun of their stupid choices like the comrade said he likes to do) after some reefer. Other genres too - the important thing is that it is a movie with a real emotional impact (scary funny, suspenseful, heartfelt) because as much as weed enhances some movies, it makes dull movies 10 times as dull. If you are taken out of the movie, then you just sit there for an hour thinking about hollywood storytelling conventions and how someone trains to become a costume designer or boom operator for films.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I love smoking weed and watching horror films. :thumbup1:

I watched House of the Devil last night stoned out of my mind.

[Patchd]

Whats with all the k hatin?

[9]

...which said something to the effect of "most users report a constant feeling of fear" and that "they become completely convinced they are dying or dead."

That's exactly what happens when you eat too many mushrooms. Dissociatives sound dumb as hell, honestly.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Sometimes when I eat mushrooms I get panic attacks associated with the feeling that "this is how I'm going to feel for the rest of my life and I'm never going to be sober again!"

I've never felt like I was going to die, though.

[Quail]

Sometimes when I eat mushrooms I get panic attacks associated with the feeling that "this is how I'm going to feel for the rest of my life and I'm never going to be sober again!"


I know that feeling, although not on mushrooms. Amazing how such irrational thoughts can totally freak you out. There isn't a single recorded case of anyone never coming down from any drug, at least not that I've heard of..

[Outinleftfield]

For DXM Heard 1/3 love it, 1/3 hate it, and 1/3 don't care.

I'm part of that first third, but then I started at a low dose. I haven't even tried the 3rd plateau yet. I tried an amount between the 2nd and 3rd and had a split second hallucination but that's it for hallucinations.

Besides that I stopped hesitating, once I thought to do something I just did it, felt no anxiety, all my thoughts and feelings were positive.

One time when I was really anxious, freaking out almost I took a small amount, not enough to get high and it still relieved my anxiety and I was able to calmly handle the situation(not going into detail about the situation).