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khad
31st January 2010, 23:50
Disgusting imperialists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/31/irish-officer-attacks-tribal-afghan-police


Irish officer attacks 'tribal' Afghan police

Army captain condemns conflicting loyalties and mistakes in war on heroin

Captain Douge Beattie of the Royal Irish Regiment, pictured in Belfast. Photograph by Kelvin Boyes/Press Eye

An army officer who won the Military Cross in Afghanistan has branded many local police in the war-torn country tribal militias rather than a national crime fighting force.

Captain Douge Beattie, who once fought off Taliban fighters with his bayonet in Helmand province, also said the "war on drugs" was winning support for al-Qaida's allies in Afghanistan.

In an interview with the Observer 24 hours after the international conference in London on Afghanistan's future, *Beattie said that deploying police officers from the same tribal areas they originally came from was leading to deteriorating security in the country.

Speaking in Belfast prior to a private lecture about the war against the Taliban, the officer, who has spent 27 years in the military, said: "In contrast with the police, the Afghan army with all its problems is doing a fantastic job. They have logistical problems, they lack air power, good equipment and medical evacuation facilities, and that is why the British should stay there to help them with that."

Beattie said he worked as a mentor with the police in 2006. "I am really disappointed with the plan for policing in Afghanistan. The problem with the police in Afghanistan, particularly in Helmand, is that they are drawn from their own communities.

"So you have, say, a Pashtun Alizai tribesman who is recruited into the police and trained by the likes of us who then ends up serving in the Alizai area of Helmand. If that officer is now manning a checkpoint and Alizai aligned to the Taliban who have known him all his life come up to him, what is he going to do?

"It's more than likely that officer is going to let that particular Taliban through the checkpoint with their guns and their explosive devices. That officer will be more loyal to his tribe in his own tribal area than his police force or indeed the government."

The Royal Irish Regiment officer drew an analogy with Northern Ireland. "This would be like taking a police recruit from Crossmaglen in south Armagh, then getting him to patrol in Crossmaglen. Imagine all the local pressures he would be under from republican dissidents he might have gone to school with, or who knew where he or his parents lived. That is taking place in Afghanistan, and we, the west, are facilitating it.

"The failure of policing in Afghanistan is a critical reason why the Taliban are scoring so many successes, why they are getting more support. The people like the Afghan army in Helmand, yet the army don't come from Helmand, but from other parts of the country. Yet the people don't trust the police – the relationship with them is truly horrendous." Plans to raise the Afghan police to more than 130,000 would not work unless the recruits were vetted and not deployed in their own tribal regions, he added.

The Northern Ireland-born officer also said that instead of destroying poppy crops – the staple that ultimately produces heroin – it should be bought off by the west and transformed into medical morphine. "On my tour of duty in 2006, I once stumbled across a farmer tending his poppy crop," Beattie said. "Through my interpreter, I said to him, 'Do you not realise that the extracts from your poppies are ending up on the streets of my country, where children as young as 10 and12 are destroying their lives with drugs?' He replied: 'At least you in the west have the choice to take heroin or not. I have no choice but to grow the poppy. If I don't grow the poppy, my family and I will starve.'

There were two approaches needed, Beattie said. "You need to carry on the alternative livelihood programme that encourages farmers to grow other crops, while at the same time buying the opium off the farmers and turning it into morphine, because if we continue the war on drugs those farmers will be driven into the Taliban's arms. That farmer thinks we are targeting him in this policy, and that is why he is willing to pick up a rifle and start firing at us. Many of the contacts we have that we say are engagements with the Taliban are in fact with farmers who believe we are eroding their way of life and their means of sustaining their families."

Beattie was awarded the MC after he led a 17-strong British army patrol backed up by Afghan forces that fought a 14-day battle against the Taliban in September 2006. During the engagement, which began on the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 al-Qaida attacks on America, Beattie had to fight off Taliban fighters with bayonets and hand grenades.

His patrol has been the most highly decorated unit of the British Army since SAS soldier Andy McNab and his Bravo Two Zero unit were awarded medals for valour in the 1991 Gulf war.

IrishWorker
1st February 2010, 00:16
It’s a pity group B are on ceasefire as they might have given this Imperialist foot soilder a nice welcome home party when he returns to Ireland.

scarletghoul
1st February 2010, 00:19
Oh, God forbid the people have some influence and links to the policing of their own communities :rolleyes:

What a pig. Get out of Ireland and Afghanistan.

khad
1st February 2010, 00:46
Reading this guy makes me go

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/20849/original/Lolwut-verbose.jpg

Really, the problem is the opposite of what he's describing. The Afghan police, and to a lesser extent the army, are recruited from anti-social degenerates who were kicked out of their communities for misbehaving.

They don't help the Taliban by being friendly to their neighbors. No, they help the Taliban by shaking down the locals and kidnapping children for rape, which makes the Taliban the good guys by default.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56B0X520090712


"The police would stop people driving on motorcycles, beat them and take their money," said Mohammad Gul, an elder in the village of Pankela, which British troops have been securing for the past three days after flying in by helicopter.

He pointed to two compounds of neighbors where pre-teen children had been abducted by police to be used for the local practice of "bachabazi," or sex with pre-pubescent boys.

"If the boys were out in the fields, the police would come and rape them," he said. "You can go to any police base and you will see these boys. They hold them until they are finished with them and then let the child go."

The Interior Ministry in Kabul said it would contact police commanders in the area before responding in detail.

When the Taliban arrived in the village 10 months ago and drove the police out, local people rejoiced, said Mohammad Rasul, a toothless elderly farmer who keeps a few cows and chickens in a neatly tended orchard of pomegranate trees, figs and grape vines.

Although his own son was killed by a Taliban roadside bomb five years ago, Rasul said the fighters earned their welcome in the village by treating people with respect.

"We were happy (after the Taliban arrived). The Taliban never bothered us," he said.

Before the Taliban arrived, the police had come to his house with a powerful landlord he called a "tyrant," who put a rifle in his face, searched through his compound and demanded money.

"If (the British) bring these people back, we can't live here. If they come back, I am sure they will burn everything," Rasul said.

ls
1st February 2010, 00:47
The NI executive is in crisis, the policing board included as we speak, so it's pretty funny what he's saying, you can't exactly blame the PSNI for that can you, rather a certain old biddy who had an affair with an underage boy. Also, basically, even the reactionary local police hate the imperialist terrorist intruders in Afghanistan and he's acting surprised? It's funny because the RUC once revolted against the British, perhaps there is an analogy after all, it's just not what he thinks.


The Northern Ireland-born officer also said that instead of destroying poppy crops – the staple that ultimately produces heroin – it should be bought off by the west and transformed into medical morphine. "On my tour of duty in 2006, I once stumbled across a farmer tending his poppy crop," Beattie said. "Through my interpreter, I said to him, 'Do you not realise that the extracts from your poppies are ending up on the streets of my country, where children as young as 10 and12 are destroying their lives with drugs?' He replied: 'At least you in the west have the choice to take heroin or not. I have no choice but to grow the poppy. If I don't grow the poppy, my family and I will starve. 'There were two approaches needed, Beattie said. "You need to carry on the alternative livelihood programme that encourages farmers to grow other crops, while at the same time buying the opium off the farmers and turning it into morphine, because if we continue the war on drugs those farmers will be driven into the Taliban's arms. That farmer thinks we are targeting him in this policy, and that is why he is willing to pick up a rifle and start firing at us.

The idiot deluded plank thinks his approach can actually work? It sounds like typical capitalist exploitation to me, the farmers probably suffer just as much if they do that, as they would under selling it to an Afghanistani warlord, yet their Western capitalism is the more "humane" of the two approachs? Is he a comedian?

This is why imperialist war is completely wrong to support. Had they left the Taliban in, in Afghanistan and the Ba'athists in in Iraq, there would have actually been less slaughter. You know the Taliban said to the West to not come in, and that they could be basically work things out and be friends before Bush and his "war on terror" started in Afghanistan? Unsurprising, as the Taliban are what they are, they make no bones about being pure power grabbers. Consider this article for instance: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/international/13AFGH.html?pagewanted=1

I mean seriously, it's just pure imperialism on the part of the USA and the countries it got into helping it. The entire war on terror has been a pretext to free up money from the Federal Reserve - that reserved except in times such as war, to steal oil from Iraq and other countries, to mcdonalds/coca-cola/americanise these countries and to plant their base firmly in the middle-east and east-central-asia. For the UK, it has been about being sent loads of money, Tony Blair did it purely so he could fund his time in office.