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tradeunionsupporter
31st January 2010, 03:54
Have Inventions such the car the computer and the television created millions and billions of Jobs for people/workers ?

Drace
31st January 2010, 04:06
Not really. They just changed the jobs. Instead of having more jobs at news paper, we now have those jobs replaced with the news media.

And much of these jobs are useless. Even child pornography makes jobs.
Why should such useless things be even needed to be produced?

Kingpin
31st January 2010, 05:02
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that communists weren't against the inventions of the car and the computer, but rather the relationship the worker has to the means of production and the nature of capitalism and how it manifests in the real world.

Furthermore I guess by using materialist conception of history since capitalists have a monopoly over how society is run, capital, etc., they have been the ones to invent these things not because of their superior ingenuity, but because workers don't have equal access. In addition many of problems with making the computers, cars, etc. were solved by workers and not by the ones owning the capital.



Did I get at least a C?

Jimmie Higgins
31st January 2010, 05:17
Sounds like an A+ to me.

Drace
31st January 2010, 05:31
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that communists weren't against the inventions of the car and the computer

No of course not, were rather hostile against primitives. Though I was guessing OP asked as if the car and computer were capitalist inventions and that somehow was suppose to mean the capitalism raises the standard of living.

ComradeMan
31st January 2010, 10:37
It's an interesting question.

The problem is not so much with the invention in itself- knowledge is knowledge- but the application thereof.

Cars for example. The car industry does create jobs for workers no doubt- but this is within a capitalist economic system and production serves capitalism. Capitalism does not encourage the growth of anything which is harmful to capitalism and has the tendency to create what I call capitalist "radicals".

My Grandfather on one side was a worker all his life. He never owned or drove a car because he didn't need to. In today's world, I imagine in the US in particular, the capitalist system has created a modern world in which not having a car is a big problem. Unless you are fortunate enough to live somewhere with a half-decent public transport system not having a car is actually an obstacle to work. Therefore the car becomes a necessity for the worker in order to be able to work. The production of cars by workers is therefore primarily in order to perpetuate the car industry in order to perpetuate current systems of work. A vicious circle if you like.