Nazis in Australia

[PHUNX]

These idiots piss me off their doing irreparable damage to anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism there logo like there ideology a complete contradiction its a good thing they keep there faces covered because if i ever get my hands on one
youtube.com/watch?v=ouXt0ojyABw
Nationalism is the creation of an imaginary ideological community A nationalist can never be an anarchist are thay stupid or are thay fascists masquerading as anarchists?

[Muzk]

Haha, nazi bols, nazi anarchists... where are the nazi liberals?

a bunch of children acting like they were cool

[Chambered Word]

This kind of scum live in Australia? Any in Perth? :sneaky:

[Ravachol]

National-Anarchism is a third-positionist permutation developed mainly by ex-NF member Troy Southgate. Ideologically it's very close to the Weimar Conservative Revolutionary movement (Eg. the like of Ernst Junger) and radical Traditionalism.

Their conception of Anarchism revolves around Junger's adaption of Stirnir's "Anarch", the 'sovereign individual'. This 'sovereign individual' is interpreted as the embodiment of the 'natural aristocracy'. Their synthesis of Weimar conservative elitism and Junger's version of the "Anarch" is highly hierarchical.
Most national-anarchists don't reject static hierarchies at all and simply criticise those hierarchies generated by liberal democracy. And for all the wrong reasons too, namely them being 'unnatural' and 'poisonous for the volksgemeinschaft' to name two.
Obviously this core thesis alone is anathema to Anarchism.

National-Anarchism is highly elitist, anti-democratic and revolves around an 'appeal to nature' and other irrationalist assumptions about 'natural order', which are common traits of fascism. Their supposed rejection of the state is laughable as they argue in favor of racially/culturally homogenic, seperated communes where 'traditional tribal authority' is the rule of law. This is obviously statist, highly authoritarian and reactionary. It's nothing more than a fancy name for traditionalist, decentralized, tribalist fascism.

[Nolan]

I was shocked to hear about anarcho-capitalism, but now there's anarcho-fascism? :confused:

[AK]

Just how the fuck did they get the two most contrasting ideologies and mash them into one...

[Ravachol]

Just how the fuck did they get the two most contrasting ideologies and mash them into one...

They didn't, as I stated above. Just like National-Bolshevism isn't Bolshevist and National-Socialism isn't socialist. ;)

[Chambered Word]

Just how the fuck did they get the two most contrasting ideologies and mash them into one...

When you have some kind of severe mental disability, anything is possible. ;)

I've been reading their website for the lulz.

[Dimentio]

Haha, nazi bols, nazi anarchists... where are the nazi liberals?

a bunch of children acting like they were cool

www.nazi.org

[Kayser_Soso]

Southgate actually jumped around to various positions and mashed many different ideologies together. I don't usually give advice to anarchists but it's better not to dignify them with response. Give them enough time and they'll re-invent themselves as something else in a few years.

[Ravachol]

I don't usually give advice to anarchists

:crying:



but it's better not to dignify them with response. Give them enough time and they'll re-invent themselves as something else in a few years.

Oh fascism always will, whether it's Nazbols, Strasserites or National-Anarchists. It's in the nature of fascism but hey, a fascist by any other name is still a fascist. ;)

[redwinter]

Has anyone seen Italian communist director Pier Paolo Pasolini's film Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma? If not, you should check it out. The mention of these "national anarchist" fools bring to mind a quote from one of the fascists in the movie: "Noi fascisti siamo i soli veri anarchici, naturalmente una volta che ci siamo impadroniti dello Stato. Infatti, la sola vera anarchia è quella del potere" ("We fascists are the only true anarchists, once we've taken over the State of course. In fact, the only true anarchy is that of power.")

[Kléber]

LOL, I never thought that filthy movie would be relevant in a political discussion.

[danny bohy]

I live in newcastle and ive never heard of them. i dont think their a big organisation. just a few druggos probably.



This kind of scum live in Australia? Any in Perth? :sneaky:

i heard perth was quite racist beacause their were alot of immigrants from south africa there?
and after cronulla do u really doubt theres scum like this in aus?

[PHUNX]

"Libertarian National Socialist Green Party" and i thought national-anarchists where were fucked up

[Chambered Word]

I live in newcastle and ive never heard of them. i dont think their a big organisation. just a few druggos probably.




i heard perth was quite racist beacause their were alot of immigrants from south africa there?
and after cronulla do u really doubt theres scum like this in aus?

I don't know that the South Africans have any negative influence against non-whites, the ones I've met aren't really racist.

And yes I'm aware there are fascists and racists here, but I didn't realize we had ideologically confused 'fascist anarchists' here.


LOL, I never thought that filthy movie would be relevant in a political discussion.

Yeah I heard it was pretty fucked-up. :blink:

[Comrade Gwydion]

You'd think the LNSGP was a prime example of "Poe's Law", but the fact that they link to proven real fascist parties makes them more likely to be real....


How....
Awful :(

[Kléber]

You'd think the LNSGP was a prime example of "Poe's Law", but the fact that they link to proven real fascist parties makes them more likely to be real....
Actually, IIRC quite a few German ecologists greeted the Nazi takeover with enthusiasm and received some state sponsorship, although by WWII their programs had been scrapped as useless in the drive toward militarization.

[Kayser_Soso]

Actually, IIRC quite a few German ecologists greeted the Nazi takeover with enthusiasm and received some state sponsorship, although by WWII their programs had been scrapped as useless in the drive toward militarization.

Environmentalism is often the one plank modern fascists try to use to worm their way into the left. For an example see the works on National Socialism by Povl Riis-Knudsen(excommunicated from the NS movement for falling in love with a Palestinian woman- LULZ). When you think about it- it's not hard to understand why the hardcore ideological fascists would do such a thing. Aside from their social darwinism and appeal to nature arguments, there are few issues they are willing to embrace.

Racial equality? Hell no, this defeats the purpose of their movement. Of course they will make half-assed appeals about "self-determination", "bio-diversity", and how they just want every group of people to live and prosper in their own nation, wherever the hell it is. But check their forums and 90% of the banter is about how much those other "unique" races totally suck.

LGBT issues? No, they tend to think that these people are keeping their birthrates down. Because we all know that if every gay guy and lesbian somehow stopped being homosexual they would immediately have 25 kids, thus outstripping those Muslim women, who according to random Youtube videos always have anywhere between 8 and 17 children each.

Women's rights? Hell no, "feminism" is the reason why white European women are supposedly chasing after black/Muslim men and not ultra-intellectual forum jockeys who have three friends in real life, yet are incredibly famous/infamous across the internet under their well-repped username Charles Martel/Bohemund/Legolas/SS Panzerfuhrer88/(Name of random famous European military leader or philosopher through which the user lives vicariously because both are "white"). Women must be denied their sexual freedom, as per the proclamations of the great neo-Nazi philosopher William Gayley Simpson, who also suggested great European society could be saved via the reinstitution of inbreeding, polygamy, and marry off girls at the ripe age of 11-12.

Environmentalism- BINGO!! Nothing objectionable here!!!


And thus the process begins.

[Sasha]

in the latest Alert (dutch afa magazine) there is an big article on "how green is brown" good read but its not translated yet.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Just wondering if forum members in the know could post any info on nazi orgs in oz? Thankfully not many of them but you can never be too careful~!

Heres one which has been putting up stickers at Melbourne university

http://natalt.org/

They seem to be trying to do all the blackshirted goose steps that British grouplets like the ENR have done.

What is it about Fascists and copying everything Germans do? German fash copy antifa dress style, all of a sudden it pops up all over the world. It's a funny old place really, and the fash are odder than most its true, but their new willingness to copy each other worries me.

This grouplet "Nationalist Alternative" [named after a local socialist group] has only about 10 people in it anyway, but I urge aussie fash-watchers to keep an eye on them, of all the little racist scumbags in Australia these pathetic pimples look like the only group that could potentially break triple figures in membership.

[Melbourne Lefty]

They seem to have died out in Australia, they held a little march of about 30 people dressed up as a Black Bloc in Sydney once, but that was about the last anyone heard of them.

[Chambered Word]

They seem to have died out in Australia, they held a little march of about 30 people dressed up as a Black Bloc in Sydney once, but that was about the last anyone heard of them.

30? We had more people turn out in Perth for a pro-Palestine rally. Which says alot, Perth being how it is.

[Chambered Word]

That's really anti-authoritarian man. Fuck dad AND Mr. Pickens 3rd period history class!!!

I don't think that quote applies more to any other group than this lot: http://natalt.org/.

:rolleyes:

[PHUNX]

un fucken believable how these idiots justify using the eureka flag as a nationalist symbol got me fucked considering most of the people that fort at eureka came from 20 od different nations with the vast majority irish not to mention the chinese, italians, jamaicans, dutch, english, Canadians, black and white americans


The demands of eurekists encompassed:

Manhood suffrage (the right for all men to vote)
Abolition of the property qualifications for members of parliament
Payment of members of parliament
Voting by secret ballot
Short term parliaments
Equal electoral districts
Abolition of diggers' and storekeepers' licenses
Reform of administration of the gold fields
Revision of laws relating to Crown land.
Of the approximately 120 'diggers' detained after the rebellion, thirteen were brought to trial. They were

Timothy Hayes, from Ireland
James McFie Campbell, a black man from Kingston, Jamaica
Raffaello Carboni, an Italian
Jacob Sorenson, a Jew from Scotland
John Manning, from Ireland
John Phelan, from Ireland
Thomas Dignum, born in Sydney
John Joseph, a black American from New York City
James Beattie, from Ireland
William Molloy, from Ireland
Jan Vennick, from the Netherlands
Michael Tuohy, from Ireland
Henry Reid, from Ireland
"that it is the inalienable right of every citizen to have a voice in making the laws he is called on to obey, that taxation without representation is tyranny".
"We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties."


how some one can get racism, nationalism and anti immigration out of all that has got me fucked :confused:

[Sasha]

several threads on national-anarchists/nazi's in australia merged

[AntiFASH]

I was shocked to hear about anarcho-capitalism, but now there's anarcho-fascism? :confused:

Let me apologize in advance for the stupid new guy question, but isn't anarchist-fascist a contradiction?

Are there really people stupid enough to start mashing words together so they can have some goofy faux-political identity?

Shit, I thought fascists were supposed to be all sorts of shady and evil. Not hopelessly fucking DUMB.

[Chambered Word]

Let me apologize in advance for the stupid new guy question, but isn't anarchist-fascist a contradiction?

Are there really people stupid enough to start mashing words together so they can have some goofy faux-political identity?

Shit, I thought fascists were supposed to be all sorts of shady and evil. Not hopelessly fucking DUMB.

Nope. They're just hopelessly fucking dumb.

[Steve_j]

un fucken believable how these idiots justify using the eureka flag as a nationalist symbol got me fucked considering most of the people that fort at eureka came from 20 od different nations with the vast majority irish not to mention the chinese, italians, jamaicans, dutch, english, Canadians, black and white americans


Drives me mad too, especially in that alot of the unions use it as a symbol of workers resistance.

[Dimentio]

Haha, nazi bols, nazi anarchists... where are the nazi liberals?

a bunch of children acting like they were cool

The nazi.org crowd with LNSGP?

[PHUNX]

While reading a ridiculous article on the fascist website Nationalist Alternative entitled (Nationalist Alternative reviews the Australian Government’s Internet Censorship Proposal). Where those bastards have the ordasity or stupidity to say


“Now imagine the Orwellian nightmare straight from the mind of the 1984 author George Orwell. Speech is suppressed, dissent is stifled and creativity and individualism are crushed.” - Nationalist Alternative
Now imagine Orwellian’s nightmare indeed being quoted by fascists. Anyhow as I scrolled threw the sycotic babil I discovered a web link to the anarchist-nationalist sight where in there links a Plethora of fascist filth




National-Anarchist sites



Tradition and Revolution Forum


Synthesis Journal

Wiki - National-Anarchism







Australia:


AnarchoNation

Ballarat National-Anarchists

NA Revolution (Hamilton)
National-Anarchists AUS/NZ
National-Anarchist Women
Tasmanian Autonomous Zone
Western Australia National-Anarchists
Yarra National-Anarchists








USA:


Attack The System

Bay Area National-Anarchists

Bay Area Perspectives
Folk and Faith
Inland Empire National-Anarchists
Sacramento National-Anarchists








Europe:


Anarkiaa

Autonom

Berrocscir's Banner
Ellenkultúra
Nacional-Anarquismo
Revolution International
Velhametsä
Vidar Rising








New Right International



Alain de Benoist


New Right AUS/NZ

New Right America

New Right Worldwide
Nouvelle Droite
The Scorpion
Tomislav Sunic
Traditionalists










it would seem that for self proclaimed ossie-nationalists that are sprisingly international spinning there world wide web of fascism but apart from the ever growing massive contradiction that is the International-Nationalist-Anarchist. i discovered that if one is to jump from site to site only using links on the previous site it is surprising where one eventually ends up for for instance:



stormfront
National Rifle Association
white civil rights
The BNP
david duke online
White Pride Worldwide
Republican Party of America
Republican Scott Brown official site
among many more. it would seem from the countles referrals, links and articles that they're all connected what a surprise

[Melbourne Lefty]

Nazis

http://ausfirst.alphalink.com.au/

Non nazi racists

http://www.protectionist.net/

Dead thank goodness

http://www.onenation.com.au/Policy%20document.htm

Anarchist imatators

http://natalt.org/

And put together they couldn't fill a phone booth. Oh happy day.:)

[Chambered Word]

While reading a ridiculous article on the fascist website Nationalist Alternative entitled (Nationalist Alternative reviews the Australian Government’s Internet Censorship Proposal). Where those bastards have the ordasity or stupidity to say


Now imagine Orwellian’s nightmare indeed being quoted by fascists. Anyhow as I scrolled threw the sycotic babil I discovered a web link to the anarchist-nationalist sight where in there links a Plethora of fascist filth


Ironically Orwell was a socialist. :rolleyes: Yeah, I read some of that article.

About 4 of them turned up to an anti-censorship protest in Perth today holding a banner over the second level saying: 'SAVE WATER CUT IMMIGRATION'. A bunch of socialists went up there and grabbed the banner while the rest of us yelled at them.

Eventually they left. Morons.


And put together they couldn't fill a phone booth.

:thumbup1:

[Sam Da Communist]

LOL extremly funny attack on the fash!

Phunx, there was an italian communist writer at eureka as well!

The anti-chinese xenophobic tantrums at the gold mines used something similar to the eureka flag. check out the Lambing_Flat_riots in wiki. very anti-china xenophobia!

and eureka had a small element of anti-immigration regarding the chinese, very small element though.

Regarding the far right, the National action group might be still around? ive read stuff that they did protests of racist nature in the early 90s. And that blood and honour nazi basatrds are pretty annoying.

[PHUNX]

i am aware of the Lambing Flat riots how ever i fail to see wot lambing flats has to do with eureka Stockade considering thay are 6 years and 600km apart in different states the flags are also clearly different

if eureka had a small element of anti-immigration they obviously weren't listening to their leaders who made it pretty clear i think

"I called on all miners irrespective of nationality, religion or colour to salute the Southern Cross as a refuge of all the oppressed from all countries on Earth." -Raffaello Carboni



By and by there was a result, and I think it may be called the finest thing in Australasian history. It was a revolution — small in size; but great politically; it was a strike for liberty, a struggle for principle, a stand against injustice and oppression....It is another instance of a victory won by a lost battle. It adds an honorable page to history; the people know it and are proud of it. They keep green the memory of the men who fell at the Eureka stockade, and Peter Lalor has his monument.
—Mark Twain

[PHUNX]

"One proud example of struggle in Australia was the 1854 Eureka Stockade by miners fighting unjust licensing fees. But it involved miners from all over the world, who chose the Eureka flag as a consciously internationalist symbol to unite them all — a point Neo-Nazis who adopt that flag as their symbol fail to comprehend." - Stuart Munckton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgQl-r2YNPI&feature=related