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Malatesta
23rd January 2010, 07:56
The English Defence League is holding a demo in Stoke today which, whilst inevitably causing disruption, will get support from the Stoke football firm the Naughty 40 and associated hooligans, unaffiliated youths looking for trouble and BNP supporters in one of their key areas.

Whose Streets?
It’s been an interesting week for the EDL: not content with today’s demonstration, 4 members were jailed for the initial Luton demo, divisions within the ranks have been highlighted and Amit Singh, the EDL’s ‘Sikh activist’, has been outed for racist comments. The EDL will be meeting at Stoke train station at 11.30 where they will no doubt be contained by the cops. Already there has been disagreement on the EDL forum about liaising with the police with some supporters urging a more confrontational policy: “we should have no cooperation with the pigs” and “we will f**k over the police.” The EDL will be escorted to Wetherspoon’s where they will be confined for a few hours to drink and shout before being escorted back again. There is a likelihood that the local BNP will turn up to canvas the area. The chances of actual confrontation at the main demo are drastically reduced given the usual police presence. At previous demo’s in Glasgow and Manchester, EDL supporters have been prevented from joining the main mob and confrontations with these strays unable to get to the RV point on time has occurred. Unity recently reported schisms in the EDL with ‘spiritual leader’ Paul Ray ostracised by extremist factions, Kelway and Joel Titus still flying the ‘multiracial’ flag and hardcore Nazis like Heaton and Pinkham maintaining the nut job presence. There is always the possibility of inter-firm rivalries boiling over. As yet all the firms have put their differences aside but it only needs some outrage like the Thierry Henry handball incident to spark off resentments.

Stoke BNP
The good people of Stoke are having a hard time in the recession with high unemployment; the predicted public sector cuts are not going to help matters: these factors create fertile ground for the BNP who also flag up fears over immigration (as do the mainstream press). Despite Stoke being a BNP stronghold all is not well. In the past they have managed to keep Nick Griffin and central HQ at arm’s length whilst building up a solid base of support. However, the local council group leader Alby Walker quit his post over ‘ideological differences’ and the opportunist Simon Darby has been sent in to contest the general election. Having an outsider dropped in to capitalise on their efforts has annoyed the relatively impendent branch. The question now is – will Walker stand against Darby thus splitting the racist vote and sending a message to Griffin whilst doing so? Historically, bitter infighting and ego-clashes have always damaged the far right at crucial times.

The EDL & The BNP
The BNP continue to deny any links with the EDL in the same way they deny any expose: by saying ‘not true’ and then not proving it. The EDL still deny having BNP members amongst them despite the fact that so many BNP members are photographed at demo’s and the continued denials are beginning to lack conviction. They may not be a BNP ‘front group’ but the BNP can only benefit from the publicity and airing of resentments as the EDL attempt to legitimise racist views. The EDL may fly Israeli flags and multi-racial placards but this is either provocation, irony or smokescreen.

Anti-Fascism: Lessons From The Past
In their political naivety the EDL still see UAF, Muslim community groups and Antifa as the same thing. Antifa is not there to ‘support Islam’ but to operate in an anti-fascist role. The EDL is a fascist street gang who intimidate local people, Muslims and political opponents alike: although there are local football firms involved the majority of the EDL come from outside. The EDL black shirt/hoodies, violence, nationalism, racism and intolerance are all synonymous with fascism and historically the battle against fascism has been on the streets as much as the ballot box. Whether the EDL deny being fascist or not they are doing the work of fascists, using exactly the same tactics as fascists and are fired by the same hatred as fascists.

In the 1920s, Mussolini’s Fascists maintained a violent campaign against the left and rose to power despite the best efforts of the Arditi del Popolo – anti-fascist defence squads- to counter this, most notably at the battle of Parma in 1922. In the UK in the 1930s, Mosley’s BUF followed the same strategy by holding confrontational street meetings in working class areas which were frequently broken up by anti-fascists and communists. Mosley was protected by his I Squad bodyguard knowing full well that he could be forced from the streets which were his political arena (as it is the EDL’s) not having access to the Parliament of conventional politics. The fascist leadership were interned in 1940 under the Defence Regulation 18b ruling. Hitler gained power through a combination of populist rhetoric and the Brownshirt’s intimidation of opponents. This was not helped by a catastrophic schism between communists and socialists. After the 2nd world war, despite the ‘defeat of fascism’ (apart from Spain of course), Mosley returned with his virulently anti-Semitic street meetings which were violently confronted by the 43 Group. In the 1960s, fascist street presence was similarly countered by the 62 Group. In the 1970s, following the rise of the National Front and repeated attacks on left wing meetings and SWP paper sales, the militant anti-fascist Squads came into existence and successfully checked fascist aggression, particularly in Manchester and London. However, given the increasing autonomy of these militant anti-fascist groups the SWP leadership proscribed ‘Squaddists’ as counter-productive and expelled key members who went on to form Red Action. After various convolutions and affiliations Red Action joined with anarchists and other more independently minded anti-fascists to form Anti Fascist Action (AFA). AFA successfully challenged the fascist street presence and the BNP changed their strategy declaring “no more meetings, marches, punch ups”.

So, the message to anti-fascists is clear: the EDL are using the same tactics that fascism has always used by maintaining a hostile and intimidating street presence to push their racist views and as history holds lessons for the fascists so it holds lessons for us: the EDL must be opposed wherever they meet!

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Bitter Ashes
24th January 2010, 04:31
http://libcom.org/news/edl-stoke-23012010
It is always Weatherspoons that tehy go to isnt it? Manchester, Leeds, now Stoke. It wouldnt suprise me if in Luton and Birmingham if Weatherspoons was thier HQ there too. Most of the pubs close thier doors to the fascists, but this chain seems to welcome them with open arms time and time again, feed them cheap booze and then send them on thier way, suitibly pissed, to go attack the community. Maybe it's time to start talking about action against Weatherspoons for harbouring these nazis?

No pasarán
24th January 2010, 14:15
weatherspoons are the mcdonalds of pubs, so they probably serve them on the grounds they're gonna make a tidy profit that day? But yeah maybe the left should start boycotting these places. Even in London there are still good pubs, with ok prices and good beer.

Holden Caulfield
24th January 2010, 14:19
Spoons always lets fascists in, they are cappies, and have no principles.
the Union Rooms in newcy has been letting the NF hole up there on St Georges day for fucking years.

That said, its a good pub

Lord Testicles
24th January 2010, 14:39
But yeah maybe the left should start boycotting these places. Even in London there are still good pubs, with ok prices and good beer.

Weatherspoons isn't going to notice if the left started to boycott it's pubs, all we would have accomplished is making it harder for us to find a cheap pint.

Bitter Ashes
24th January 2010, 14:49
True enough Skinz. Why should we have to give up our pubs for the fascists!

Hit The North
24th January 2010, 19:07
Why would any of you want to drink in antiseptic hellholes like Wetherspoons, anyway? You want to get yourselves down to some real ale houses.

But anyway, the real story here is the dismal anti-fascist turnout compared to the numbers of the EDL. The local newspaper in Stoke, the Evening Sentinel is claiming a turnout of 3,000 for the EDL, double the one in LibCom's report. And this is in an article which is really trying to play it down: http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/15-arrests-right-wing-protest-Hanley/article-1748666-detail/article.html

I didn't go and I'm only thirty miles up the road. We're going to have to start pulling our finger out.

nuisance
24th January 2010, 19:17
Cheap beer?

Bitter Ashes
24th January 2010, 19:25
Cheap beer?
Spot on.

Anyway, it's official. Weatherspoons are allying with the EDL/SDL

http://www.indymediascotland.org/node/18058


Pubs and bars in the centre of Edinburgh are being called upon by anti-fascist campaigners to ban the bigoted "Scottish" Defence League, before their racist demonstration on the 20th of February.

At previous events, the SDL and its parent organisation the English Defence League, have met in pubs to get drunk before their racist demonstrations. As such the Edinburgh Anti-Fascist Alliance have contacted over a hundred Edinburgh pubs, asking them to ban the SDL from their establishments, and to report any meetings of the SDL to the police.

A spokesperson for Edinburgh Anti-Fascist Alliance said: "We are sure that Edinburgh pubs are welcoming to anyone of any ethnic or religious background, so we thought it best to warn them that the racist SDL might take advantage of their hospitality on the 20th of February."

The SDL are an offshoot of the English Defence League, and have strong links to racist and fascist organisations including the National Front, and the British National Party. They often make Nazi salutes at their demonstrations, and chant racist slogans.

A spokesperson said: "We are a group of local people who are opposing the Scottish Defence Leagues demonstration planned for Edinburgh on the 20th February. We urge everyone who hates racism and fascism to join with us in opposing the SDL."

An annoyed spokesman for the SDL is reported in the Sunday Herald as saying: “Who are the fascists, telling people they can’t go into a public house? On what basis can you ban a group of people from going into a pub? These pubs are scared of these people, who come up and smash them up if they are not intimidated enough to close. No matter what happens we’ll be there in Edinburgh.”

Dozens of pubs have already agreed to ban the racist SDL, however Whetherspoons are tacitly supporting them, saying that they wont stop the SDL meeting in their pub. Their press spokesman said in the Sunday Herald today, "What anti-fascists think is right, corporations don’t".

Here's what Weatherspoons had to say for themselves:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/campaigners-ask-capital-s-pubs-to-ban-far-right-group-1.997370

“You can’t stop someone coming in because of their views – you’d have empty pubs. Where would you stop? What anti-fascists think is right, corporations don’t. Like any right-minded people, we don’t agree with the EDL or the SDL. But if their supporters come to our pub and don’t cause trouble, we won’t turn them away. If they misbehave, we will ask them to leave.”

No pasarán
24th January 2010, 20:28
Weatherspoons isn't going to notice if the left started to boycott it's pubs, all we would have accomplished is making it harder for us to find a cheap pint.

Would you go to burger king to get a cheaper meal everytime you wanted to eat out? I'm not suggesting weatherspoons would really notice or even care, but its better to go to real pubs. I hated anything like Weatherspoons/ O'neils.

BUT back on topic. We do need to start pulling our fingers out more, especially if the furthest right elements decide this means its safe for them to be coming out on the streets. And however we want to confront them we need to do it in greater numbers.

Melbourne Lefty
24th January 2010, 23:29
The EDL black shirt/hoodies, violence.....and intolerance are all synonymous with fascism


That could apply to Antifa...

I wouldn't get down on people for wearing black, antifa do it far more than the EDL.

Anti-fascist activists outnumbered 10 to one [hopefully less] is something to worry about.

I feel for you boys and girls over in the UK, we can only hope that the BNP will fall over at the General election [which they may very well do]. Withouth them putting racist issues like immigration in the spotlight so often maybe things can settle down.

Where the hell are the black and muslim communities defending themselves from fuckheads like this? If the left gets chased off the streets in certain parts of the country who the hell do they think these thugs will go after next?

Bitter Ashes
24th January 2010, 23:47
That could apply to Antifa...

I wouldn't get down on people for wearing black, antifa do it far more than the EDL.

Anti-fascist activists outnumbered 10 to one [hopefully less] is something to worry about.

I feel for you boys and girls over in the UK, we can only hope that the BNP will fall over at the General election [which they may very well do]. Withouth them putting racist issues like immigration in the spotlight so often maybe things can settle down.

Where the hell are the black and muslim communities defending themselves from fuckheads like this? If the left gets chased off the streets in certain parts of the country who the hell do they think these thugs will go after next?
In Leeds we outnumbered the fash 2 to 1. The black and muslim communities do get involved a little, but in the main, they're discouraged from attending by the clergy. I'd also like to point out, that while I can only speak for myself, I'm very wary to hang around with UAF after how they treated us in Leeds.