'Hamas accepts Israel's right to exist'

[Yazman]

Source: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1263147942240&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Hamas has accepted Israel's right to exist and would be prepared to nullify its charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, Aziz Dwaik, Hamas's most senior representative in the West Bank, said on Wednesday.
Dwaik's remarks are seen in the context of Hamas's attempts to win recognition from the international community.

Dwaik is the elected speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council. He was released a few months ago after spending nearly three years in an Israeli prison.

Dwaik was among dozens of Hamas officials and members who were rounded up by Israel following the abduction of IDF soldier St.-Sgt. Gilad Schalit near the Gaza Strip in June 2006.

His latest remarks were made during a meeting he held in Hebron with British millionaire David Martin Abrahams, who maintains close ties with senior Israeli and British government officials.

Abrahams is scheduled to brief British Foreign Secretary David Milliband this weekend on the outcome of his meeting with Dwaik and other top Hamas officials in the West Bank.

Abrahams, a major donor to Britain's Labor Party, told The Jerusalem Post he would urge Milliband to "consider the implications of Hamas's positive overtures."

During the meeting in Hebron, Dwaik stressed that other Hamas leaders, including Damascus-based leader Khaled Mashaal and Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, have voiced support for the idea of establishing an independent Palestinian state within the pre-1967 boundaries.

"The [Hamas] charter was drafted more than 20 years ago," Dwaik noted, adding that his movement would even be prepared to "nullify" the document.
"No one wants to throw anyone into the sea," he said.
Dwaik also expressed Hamas's desire to engage in dialogue with the international community, first and foremost the European Union. He confirmed that Hamas was receiving financial aid from Iran, but said that this was the direct result of the boycott and sanctions against the movement.

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This is an interesting development. Thoughts?

[Revy]

It looks like they just want more power for themselves. Obviously, a two-state solution gives their reactionary religious ideology a better chance, whereas the odds of a one-state solution democratically voting Hamas to power are slim to none.

[FreeFocus]

Well, goddamn. Very unfortunate development, considering this might be a sign of Hamas becoming the new Fatah (i.e., selling out). What Palestinian resistance will arise then?

[Robocommie]

Who could have predicted this 10 years ago?

[Small Geezer]

I could see this coming. Remember when they offered Israel an indefinite truce in exchange for 67' borders?

It's a real pity that they're the foremost resistance group.

[Tablo]

I hope some groups like the PFLP can gain more support.

[manic expression]

Yeah, that's kind of a bummer, but honestly, if some symbolic gesture gets the Zionists to stop murdering Palestinians for just 10 minutes, it's worth considering. OK, recognize Israel's "right to exist" (which, in itself, is basically abstract and meaningless), win a PR victory and try to get the Zionist fascists to give something up in return. As long as Hamas doesn't oppose Palestinian right of return, I'm not going to get all that excited over this.


I hope some groups like the PFLP can gain more support.

Agreed.

[Q]

The reactionary organisation sells out, what a surprise.

[GPDP]

Not like it'll make a difference. The Zionists will simply go "ok thanks lol," and then continue their brutality anyway.

Not only does Israel win, but the Palestinian people lose as well.

[Devrim]

I hope some groups like the PFLP can gain more support.

This is a very strange position for an anarchist to tak; support for a middle class nationalist organisation.

Devrim

[Yehuda Stern]

First of all, there is documented evidence that we in the ISL have been warning for years that Hamas will one day sell out just like Fatah did. We noted Hamas' offers of truce and its policing of Gaza Palestinians in the interests of Zionist imperialism and its suppression of anti-Egyptian protests. In the epoch of imperialist decay, no bourgeois party can lead the struggle for national liberation.

Some people lament this development; they forget that Hamas' strategy is one of the reasons why the Palestinian resistance is at such a dead end. In fact, it is a good thing that Hamas has exposed itself and that the Palestinian masses can see clearly that it can offer them no way forward. This gives Palestinian revolutionaries a better chance to build a revolutionary working class party in Palestine.

Of course, just like there were people who were willing to excuse Arafat's sellout in the 90s, members of the middle class left are now willing to excuse Hamas' sellout because it'll supposedly give the Palestinian resistance some breathing space. Of course this is false; history teaches that whenever the Palestinian resistance caves, Israel takes advantage of it to build more settlements and take more oppressive actions against Palestinians. A decade of PA collaboration with Israel led to the Apartheid wall and the siege of Gaza, after all.

So now both the PLO and Hamas have sold out. Who should we turn to? Obviously, the PFLP, the organization that has sold out along with the rest of the PLO about 15 years ago. Some people will hold on to anything in order to avoid talking about creating a revolutionary working class party in Palestine. Frankly, it's pathetic.

A final note - it might be too soon to say that this is officially "Hamas selling out". There might be some wing of it more willing to sell out than the others, and one representative of it spoke out. The process of the organization as a whole becoming a replacement or auxiliary to the PA might be pretty drawn out. Still, this shows clearly that our prediction regarding Hamas is correct, and it'll be clearer in the future.

[BobKKKindle$]

If it hasn't been mentioned already, this is not really a new development, so I don't see why people are questioning whether this is legitimate, or saying what a shame it is that Hamas has decided to make concessions to imperialism - Hamas has been arguing for years that they are willing to accept the creation of a Palestinian state on the basis of Israel's pre-1967 borders, alongside most of the existing Israeli state, as part of which they would enter into a "long-term truce" with Israel:


Top Hamas (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3207621,00.html) official Mahmoud al-Zahar told CNN that a "long-term hudna or long-term truce" is possible. He would not commit to negotiating with Israel and would not say whether recognizing Israel's existence is a long-term possibility.

The conditions included Israel's retreating to its pre-1967 borders and releasing Palestinian prisoners. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3207845,00.html

Note that the article is from 2006.

The reason we find that Hamas and other petty-bourgeois political forces are often so willing to make concessions to imperialism and are unable to pursue the national struggle in a consistent way is that if any of these forces did actually strike a critical blow against imperialism (which would best be achieved through the arming of the working class - something they cannot do because it would allow workers to defend themselves when these forces seek to attack their economic struggles, as when Hamas has attacked trade unionists) the accompanying mass movement would challenge not only imperialism but also the economic and political privileges of the leaders of these forces. It is for this reason that socialists need to maintain their political independence in countries that are the victims of national oppression and to constantly expose the inconsistent way in which petty-bourgeois organizations wage the national liberation struggle - by the same token the fact that Stalinist organizations have so often been willing to sow illusions in these forces and to enter into popular fronts with them is one of the main ways in which Stalinism has consistently taken the side of imperialism throughout the imperialist epoch of capitalism.

[Tablo]

This is a very strange position for an anarchist to tak; support for a middle class nationalist organisation.

Devrim
I would certainly prefer a working class Anarchist organization, but I don't know of any of those in Palestine. The PFLP is simply the best group I know of in Palestine so I support them in their cause, while strongly disagreeing with them.

[Kassad]

Not so fast, perhaps? (http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Palestine/259802)

[freepalestine]

exactly... no one should ever recognise that state...

[leninpuncher]

Well what are the other options? Invade Israel and deport the Jews back to Africa and Europe? Israel is here to stay. Millions of people have put roots down there, and it would take a very nasty war to unearth them.

This takes away a lot of the Israel/US clout in diplomacy. In the past they said that they wouldn't negotiate until Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist. Now they can't use that excuse to avoid negotiations.

Anyone saying that Hamas are using this to enhance their power is delusional. Hamas are an extremist party, who were voted in because of the desperation of the Palestinians. If the two state solution is ever put into practice, they will probably disappear.

Last June, 61% of Palestinians were polled as favouring a two state solution. This is Hamas moving in line with popular opinion, not selling out.
http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2009/p32ejoint.html

[freepalestine]

no palestinian will ever except that state .

[revolution inaction]

I would certainly prefer a working class Anarchist organization, but I don't know of any of those in Palestine. The PFLP is simply the best group I know of in Palestine so I support them in their cause, while strongly disagreeing with them.

you don't necessary need to pick an organisation to support, anarchists should support the working class, not the least worse political organisation they've heard of.

[leninpuncher]

no palestinian will ever except that state .

The polls were fabricated?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It is clear that whatever happens, there will be a state 'for the jews', or 'partly for the jews', the former being part of a two state solution, and the latter part of a one state solution. Obviously, it would be grossly sad if a state 'for the jews', was based on a religious premise. However, one must acknowledge that pre-defined Socialist analysis of the situation (i.e. a simple Socialist definition of a two-tier class system) will not fit the bill here - there are very sensitive religious, racial and indeed ethnic (relating to Israeli Arabs, Druze and Bedouin people, as well as those Jews who live in Israel through the right of return) issues that are unique to this situation, and we must be aware of them when we critique the conflict and offer any solution.

However, I do echo Q's sentiment - it is no surprise that a bourgeois, reactionary party of religion has sold out. Because of the bourgeois and reactionary nature of the party, it is clearly likely to be more interested in playing politics than following a programme to democracy and emancipation of the dreadfully maligned Palestinian people.

[Tablo]

you don't necessary need to pick an organisation to support, anarchists should support the working class, not the least worse political organisation they've heard of.
Alright, you got me there. I guess it is inappropriate for me to support the PFLP from my ideological standpoint. I'm just hoping for the best to come out of the horrible situation over there. You're right.

[Devrim]

you don't necessary need to pick an organisation to support, anarchists should support the working class, not the least worse political organisation they've heard of.Alright, you got me there. I guess it is inappropriate for me to support the PFLP from my ideological standpoint. I'm just hoping for the best to come out of the horrible situation over there. You're right.

I think that 'RG' makes an absolutely crucial point here. For revolutionaries, it is not just a matter of finding some organisation to 'support'. In fact, I think the whole way that the leftists use the word is absurd with organisations 'supporting' little groups all over the world who they never have any contact with all give any real support to at all.

In an abstract way, we 'support' working class struggle everywhere. In a real practical way, I am currently supporting TEKEL strikers in Turkey. This means people are staying in my house, I am at the demonstrations, etc... In the abstract way as previously mentioned I also 'supported' the postal strikes last year in the UK. I couldn't, for obvious reasons offer those people any practical solidarity though.

When it comes to political groups, I am a member of the ICC, and our comrades support the sections in other countries (though being in Turkey and not in the West we are generally on the receiving end of this equation). I consider myself to be in solidarity with other internationalist groups, such as the ICT or RG's Anarchist Federation. What does this mean practically though? It means that I consider these people to be comrades, I would help their members and accommodate them if they were in this country, I would write for their press about events in this country if they asked me too. Beyond that there isn't much more practically that we can do. Of course political solidarity goes beyons this and it is also about discussion and ideas. I would like to hope that we can develop this with them too.

Then we come to places where there aren't any revolutionary organisations. What can we do there? We can try to build up contacts, publish in that language if possible, but I don't think that declaring 'support' for the least worst bourgeois group means anything.

The things that you should start by asking yourself about the PLFP is whether you agree with their orientation. Do you think things such as nationalism and guerilla struggle have anything to offer the working class?

Devrim

[Tablo]

The things that you should start by asking yourself about the PLFP is whether you agree with their orientation. Do you think things such as nationalism and guerilla struggle have anything to offer the working class?

Devrim
I do not agree with their orientation. I agree with them just as I do any Marxist-Leninist group in that I support Communism. I disagree with the tactics they use and the means of achieving Communism they believe in, but they do seem to be an organization legitimately working for the good of the Palestinians and I wish to support them in that way. It is difficult for me to say I support something because I don't really understand what that is supposed to mean. I support the PLFP over Hamas any day, but if we had an Anarchist struggle deeply rooted in the Palestinian workers movements then I would support them over the PFLP. I do not see them as a lesser evil, but more so as misguided individuals who in the long run want the same thing as me while not approaching the issue in a way I see the most effective. I do not by any means like their nationalistic tendencies, but this is pretty typical and for them the primary issue is to defeat Israel so I can understand why that would influence them so strongly.

[blake 3:17]

Q:
Alright, you got me there. I guess it is inappropriate for me to support the PFLP from my ideological standpoint. I'm just hoping for the best to come out of the horrible situation over there. You're right.

A:
The things that you should start by asking yourself about the PLFP is whether you agree with their orientation. Do you think things such as nationalism and guerilla struggle have anything to offer the working class?


Get over it! You cats is upside down.

[Devrim]

Get over it! You cats is upside down.

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

Devrim

[ls]

This really wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it were true; I can say that with no degree of uncertainty.


A: Q:

Do you support Hamas?

[Devrim]

I do not agree with their orientation. I agree with them just as I do any Marxist-Leninist group in that I support Communism

Do you think that ML groups having anything communist about them. I am not saying that there aren't sincere individuals within these groups who honestly believe in socialism, but I don't think that there is anything socialist about the groups themselves.

What do you think of the whole 'ideology' of people's war? Do you think that it is a socialist idea?


but they do seem to be an organization legitimately working for the good of the Palestinians and I wish to support them in that way.

How are they working for the good of Palestinians? Perhaps more importantly, aren't nations divided into classes, and what does 'for the good of Palestinians' mean?


I support the PLFP over Hamas any day

Is it a question of supporting a 'lesser evil' though? Do you support the Democrats over the Republicans?


but if we had an Anarchist struggle deeply rooted in the Palestinian workers movements then I would support them over the PFLP.

Unfortunately there isn't. Possibly because the Palestinian working class is one of the most, if not the most, defeated working class in the region.


I do not see them as a lesser evil, but more so as misguided individuals who in the long run want the same thing as me while not approaching the issue in a way I see the most effective.

They want a capitalist state.


I do not by any means like their nationalistic tendencies, but this is pretty typical and for them the primary issue is to defeat Israel so I can understand why that would influence them so strongly.

They are not 'nationalist tendencies'. It is the very core of their ideology.

Devrim

[Edelweiss]

It seems Hamas has turned into a Zionist organization than according to the definition of many of the vulgar anti-Zionists here. So what's next, dear anti-impies? I guess a RevLeft restriction for Hamas supporters would be appropriate now? :lol: It's just logical: recognizing the right of Israel to exist = Zionism = racism = RevLeft OI restriction. Of course on a leftist message board that would make much more sense than proposing a restriction for Hamas supporters because of their reactionary, religious fundamentalism. ;)

[Yehuda Stern]

Oh how clever are we. Most of those who argue that Israel has no right to exist in this forum also clearly oppose Hamas, and I can personally say that I have always said that I believe Hamas will sell out eventually. So your joke is, as usual, a lot less clever than you think it is.

At any rate, I oppose blanket restriction of "Hamas supporters" because to people like you, anyone who supports the Palestinian struggle is a Hamas supporter. So I don't really trust that you can judge who is a "Hamas supporter" and who is just an anti-imperialist.

Since supporters of Bin Laden and similar political ideologies are restricted automatically - unlike, for example, supporters of Israel - the insinuation at the end that there's some sort of pro-fundamentalist bias here is especially ridiculous.

[Edelweiss]

The true irony though is that in your and many other's logic here the PLO and now also Hamas are both "Zionist" organizations.

Also, it's not true that supporters of Bin Laden are restricted here automatically. Many here just know too good how to hide their sympathy and support for militant, political Islam behind phony "anti-imperialist" rhetoric.

BTW: tell me please, where is any significant "Palestinian resistance" apart from Hamas and Co. nowadays?

[RHIZOMES]

It seems Hamas has turned into a Zionist organization than according to the definition of many of the vulgar anti-Zionists here. So what's next, dear anti-impies? I guess a RevLeft restriction for Hamas supporters would be appropriate now? :lol: It's just logical: recognizing the right of Israel to exist = Zionism = racism = RevLeft OI restriction. Of course on a leftist message board that would make much more sense than proposing a restriction for Hamas supporters because of their reactionary, religious fundamentalism. ;)

Nice strawman there bro.

[Yehuda Stern]

Hamas and the PLO are pro-imperialist organizations and therefore are forced by the logic of their positions to accommodate to Zionism as well. They are not "Zionist organizations", because their support isn't of the same kind as that given by you or your anti-Germans. It is the opportunist "support" of bourgeois nationalists in the face of imperialism rather than the enthusiastic support for imperialism by members of imperialist states.

Again, we see that you have no ability to distinguish between "Hamas supporters" and other supporters of the Palestinian resistance. If you had your way you would probably restrict all supporters of the resistance. Too bad you can't do that, so you have to content yourself with snide comments about how we're all supporters of Bin Laden. What wretched political culture you Zionists have.

[Edelweiss]

If you had your way you would probably restrict all supporters of the resistance.

actually I wouldn't. IMO Palestinians have the right to resist their suppressors. It just happens that I don't support the organizations where this resistance becomes manifested. In a way that's probably a similar opinion as yours, only from a different perspective.

[cyu]

Most of those who argue that Israel has no right to exist in this forum also clearly oppose Hamas, and I can personally say that I have always said that I believe Hamas will sell out eventually.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The things any organization does or believes are constantly shifting, maybe not always quickly, but they do shift none-the-less. Depending on the organizational structure and membership, they can shift in positive ways, negative ways, or irrelevant ways.

Yes, if Hamas and Israel make peace in an environment of capitalism, then I would agree with your prediction that they will sell out.

However, the good thing about politics is that people can affect it. They managed some semblance of peace in Northern Ireland, after all. Not perfect, obviously, but things can be done about that. Maybe some smart people on both sides really are trying to create a region based on cooperation rather than competition, or maybe it is just a publicity stunt. Regardless of what those at the top believe, it would be a good thing if the rank and file membership take it to heart that competition between people is a dead-end road, and force the rest of their organizations to go along with them.

[Yehuda Stern]

Edelweiss: supporting the resistance has nothing to do with supporting the organizations currently leading it. That's like arguing that one should not support the labor movement because it is led by reformists and supporting it is actually supporting them.

cyu: I have no idea how you can give any support at all to the phony peace in Northern Ireland. I guess that just shows you how willing leftists are to completely avoid distinguishing oppressor and colonialist from oppressed.

[Sendo]

Well, goddamn. Very unfortunate development, considering this might be a sign of Hamas becoming the new Fatah (i.e., selling out). What Palestinian resistance will arise then?

Hopefully a secular one. Hopefully this time the US won't secretly give funding to the reactionaries like they did with Pakistani separatists and Palestinian groups with an Islamist agenda.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804

Fucking divide and conquer.

[Andropov]

It seems Hamas has turned into a Zionist organization than according to the definition of many of the vulgar anti-Zionists here.
Truely pathetic.
You have failed to critically analyse both respective contexts in which a Zionist organisation manifests itself and how the likes of Hamas and the PLO have come about to their current position on Zionism.
It is obvious to any critical analysis that the likes of the PLO and Hamas have retreated ideologically and surrendered to Zionism.
They may have submitted to it but that is certainly not the same ideological position as propogating Zionism so your comparison fails.

So what's next, dear anti-impies?
What next?
Nothing has changed significantly in the current context.
An inherently bourgeois and reactionary organisation has sold out the Palestinian working class to Imperialism, as it manfests in Israel as Zionism.
But our whole basis for finding Zionism so repugnant is still very much there and has not changed one iota.

I guess a RevLeft restriction for Hamas supporters would be appropriate now? :lol:
I hope that laughing face is in relation to your failed analogy because you seem to think that you have somehow found some justification for your hard on for Zionism or somehow got one over on those who find Zionism abhorrent.
Im afraid its just the same business as usual so you better slither on unless you want to ban me for calling you out on your pathetic attempt to get one over on Anti-Zionists.

It's just logical: recognizing the right of Israel to exist = Zionism = racism = RevLeft OI restriction.
Not so logical at all im afraid.
Those who did previously find Hamas as a progressive force did not do so on a pro-Zionist ideological basis, they recognised it on an Anti-Imperialist perspective.
You are yet again failing to analyse the respective contexts and are just over simplifying and applying immature sweeping absolutes to a context that is deeply complex.

Of course on a leftist message board that would make much more sense than proposing a restriction for Hamas supporters because of their reactionary, religious fundamentalism. ;)
Is this you yet again failing to analyse the context of Palestine?
Hamas are a reaction to Imperialism, they are a manifestation of resistance that embodied itself as a Religius fundamentalist group.
But they are not the root cause of the problem, they are the reaction to the Zionist Imperialism so both are not equivilants in this context so your comparison yet again fails.
Next time you post id advise you put a laughing face after your justification for Zionist Imperialism instead of when you "think" you have got one over on those who despise Zionism.

[Andropov]

However, the good thing about politics is that people can affect it. They managed some semblance of peace in Northern Ireland, after all. Not perfect, obviously, but things can be done about that.
Dont talk about things you have no comprehension over.
This "peace" we have here is just a further entrenchment of the sectarian divide.
Providing both sides of the sectarian divide with their respective sectarian cheer leaders, those in PSF representing the Catholic divide and those in the DUP representing the Protestant divide.
The GFA is an entrenchment of the sectarian divide with everything from houseing to education having to be okayed by the respective sectarian cheer leaders.
So of course they will make sure that houseing continues to be segragated and education so that they can perpetuate the divide for if it werent there then the DUP and PSF would have no water to swim in.
For christ sake there are more "Peace Walls" in Belfast today than there was when the GFA agreement was signed 10 years ago.
In fact I think I remember hearing before that the longest wall in Western Europe is actually in Belfast separating both sides of the community.
Irregaurdless of all that has been shown by the inadequacyies of "power sharing" to suggest that this "peace" was a resolution to Irelands problems yet again shows a distinct lack of Marxist clarity.
The violence was a reaction to Imperialism and it is Imperialism which has created the sectarian divide, the old British Imperial mantra of divide and conquer that they did with all their colonys.
There can be no peace or resolution for sectarianism when the very institutions which created this frankenstein are still here administering new laws which further polarise the respective communitys.
This fabrication by British and American media that the PIRA's and the INLA's campaigns for 30 years somehow created this sectarian divide and that with peace it will disapate is laughable but to see it regurgetated on a Leftist board its just absurd.

[Edelweiss]

Edelweiss: supporting the resistance has nothing to do with supporting the organizations currently leading it. That's like arguing that one should not support the labor movement because it is led by reformists and supporting it is actually supporting them.

All I say is that I think that the Palestinians have a moral right to resist it's suppressors. Their resistance is legitimate after decades of misery under Israeli force. However, that doesn't mean I should support the current resistance and it's nationalist or religious-fundamentalist goals politically.

[freepalestine]

They are not 'nationalist tendencies'. It is the very core of their ideology.

Devrimwhy do you say that?

[cyu]

In fact I think I remember hearing before that the longest wall in Western Europe is actually in Belfast separating both sides of the community.
Irregaurdless of all that has been shown by the inadequacyies of "power sharing" to suggest that this "peace" was a resolution to Irelands problems yet again shows a distinct lack of Marxist clarity.

Actually I agree with almost everything you say, however, if I had the choice of living in either Northern Ireland or Israel / Palestine, I'd pick Northern Ireland.

I'd never claim any area that still has capitalism could possibly be perfect. Even though the following nations may be great relative to the rest of the world, I certainly wouldn't claim that it's impossible to do better than them:

Number of times each of these nations appear in the top 10 from the 8 lists below:
7 Norway
7 Sweden
6 Finland
6 Iceland
6 Switzerland
5 Denmark
5 Netherlands
0 United Kingdom
0 United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_broadband_Internet_ users
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

[ComradeRed22'91]

you don't necessary need to pick an organisation to support, anarchists should support the working class, not the least worse political organisation they've heard of.

i don't know much in this matter. But that's some dellusional thinking...it's a phrase as meaningless as 'support our troops.' by all means i am more for the working class than anything, but supporting a party that will most act for the working class is in itself supportive of the working class.

[Devrim]

why do you say that?

Er... because they are the 'Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine'.

Of course nationalism is central to their ideology.

Devrim

[Andropov]

Er... because they are the 'Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine'.

Of course nationalism is central to their ideology.

Devrim
No need to get smart with him Dev.
The use of Palestine could just be in referance to the geographical area it encompasses, not necessarily the national consciousness of its inhabitants or the alleged Nationalistic political basis of the PFLP's politics.

[Yehuda Stern]

The PFLP's nationalism expresses itself in a much clearer way in the fact that they support a two-stage revolution in Palestine, with a first "democratic" stage before a socialist revolution, and that due to that they always accommodate to the bourgeois Fatah leadership. Support for Palestinian liberation is something that any revolutionary should support, even if he recognizes that such liberation is only possible through a workers revolution.

[freepalestine]

Er... because they are the 'Popular Front [I]for [/]the Liberation of Palestine'.

Of course nationalism is central to their ideology.

Devrimmakes no sense,nevertheless
maybe they should start selling some trot rag in tel aviv etc?or what other advice have you for them...??

[ls]

makes no sense,nevertheless
maybe they should start selling some trot rag in tel aviv etc?or what other advice have you for them...??

The PFLP aren't a major force in Palestine anymore anyway.

[freepalestine]

where they ever...?