Should Lenin be buried?

[Bankotsu]

Russian liberals renew calls to bury Lenin

MOSCOW, January 21 (RIA Novosti) - Russian politicians and activists used the 86th anniversary of Vladimir Lenin's death to renew calls to bury the architect of the 1917 Russian Revolution. Lenin died on January 21, 1924, following a series of strokes.

His continuing presence in the heart of Moscow has been an ongoing source of controversy since the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, and the dispute traditionally heats up on the days of Lenin's birth and death.

Russian Communists will gather later on Thursday to lay wreaths at the Mausoleum on Red Square, where Lenin's embalmed body is displayed in a glass case.

"Don't they [communists] feel that it is the wrong way to treat their idol - to disembowel his body, to stuff it with something, to embalm it and to soak it annually in special liquids with the purpose of putting it on the public display again. For me it looks like a mockery," said Nikita Petrov, a member of the Memorial organization, a civil rights group which focuses on Russia's totalitarian past.

He said that Lenin's successors initially planned to preserve their leader's body for a short period of time, to provide as many people as possible with an opportunity to pay last respects to their idol.

"A dead body on Red Square - the country's main square - has nothing to do with either Russian culture or modern civilization," said Sergei Mitrokhin, the leader of the opposition Russian United Democratic Party Yabloko.

"From the humane, human and religious points of view, a body should be committed to the earth. Keeping a coffin containing a dead body on Red Square is simply not good," the leader of the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party in the State Duma, Igor Lebedev, said.

Communists say Lenin's final resting place is socially and morally acceptable.

"Vladimir Ilyich has been buried properly. His body rests two meters below the ground, just as it should be under Christian and Orthodox norms," the Communist Party of Russia says.

It has been suggested that Lenin's body could be buried in a new national military cemetery to be opened in 2011.

http://en.rian.ru/society/20100121/157635061.html

[Yazman]

"A dead body on Red Square - the country's main square - has nothing to do with either Russian culture or modern civilization,"
What a ridiculous way to talk about the founding father of the russian state. Whether you like him or not I think he should probably get a bit more respect than to just be described as "a dead body" and having nothing to do with russian culture or modern civilization.

Also, I voted yes to the poll. I'm not sure what purpose it serves nowadays, as much as Lenin is important to modern russian history. I can understand a museum or a mausoleum of some sort but I'm not sure the body itself needs to be on public display anymore. If people want it though, then keep it there.

[Bud Struggle]

"A dead body on Red Square - the country's main square - has nothing to do with either Russian culture or modern civilization,"
What a ridiculous way to talk about the founding father of the russian state. Whether you like him or not I think he should probably get a bit more respect than to just be described as "a dead body" and having nothing to do with russian culture or modern civilization.


Weeeeeellllllll. He's not the father of the Russian state. That title should go to Peter the Great, I guess. Lenin was an interm leader that instituted a transitional period between Feudalism and the modern Russian Capitalist State.

I saw the body when I was there (more rules of behavior to see him than to post on Revleft. :D) It was gastly in a way. Lots of people flocked to see him though. The thing is, isn't it more respectful to bury him than having him as a circus sideshow. Having a nice decent toumb would serve the same function and not be so macabre.

[Yazman]

I see what you're getting at Bud, but I would argue that the origin of the modern Russian state lies in the Russian Revolution. Lets not get into that debate in this topic though as it could seriously derail it.

But yeah I agree, thats why I suggest a museum or a mausoleum of some sort. A nice decent tomb would certainly be more appropriate, I agree.

[Bud Struggle]

I see what you're getting at Bud, but I would argue that the origin of the modern Russian state lies in the Russian Revolution. Lets not get into that debate in this topic though as it could seriously derail it.


I was just teasing a bit. :D

But seriously--a nice tomb like any other national hero--maybe a monument of some sort. He was a great man and he should be remembered. All his is now is some preserved hide stretched over some taxidermist's mold. It's really highly inappropriate. When I saw him 15 or so years ago he was all sort of yellowey and pasty. I actually felt kind of sorry for him.

[Catbus]

Didn't Lenin request to be buried by his mother?

[ComradeMan]

Yeah but think of all the tourist bucks they would lose... :lol:

I couldn't care less if Lenin is exposed like a mummy in the British Museum or buried like Marx in Highgate.... It's just making an issue about something that isn't important really. Nevertheless if there is genuine reason, like a family request, for Lenin to be buried then I think it ought to be done.

[Fletcher]

Why not build a big bonfire and send the reactionary scumup in flames?

[Bud Struggle]

Why not build a big bonfire and send the reactionary scumup in flames?

Lenin was a Reactionary? How do you figure that?

[Chambered Word]

Why not build a big bonfire and send the reactionary scumup in flames?

Blow it out your arse, troll.

I'd actually rather like to see Lenin's body myself one day. I don't see what's so disrespectful about it, I'd certainly be pretty stoked knowing that people would come to a building just to see me after I'm dead.

[Weezer]

Lenin's Mausoleum should be rebuilt that's all.

I'ma thinking something like this:

http://englishrussia.com/images/project_mausoleum/1.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

I think the only other person they did something similar to this was Eva Peron.

Shortly after her death, plans were made to construct a monument in Evita's honor. The monument, which was to be a statue of a man representing the "descamisados", was projected to be larger than the Statue of Liberty. Evita's body was to be stored in the base of the monument and, in the tradition of Lenin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin)'s corpse, to be displayed for the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Per%C3%B3n#Final_resting_place

Go figure--Lenin and Eva Peron.:rolleyes:

[RedAnarchist]

Lenin should be buried next to his mother like he wanted to, and Peron should be buried in a cemetary as well. It's fine to remember people, but this worship of a lump of matter that was once Lenin or Peron or anyone else is not healthy.

[ZeroNowhere]

Bury Lenin,the worms would appreciate it.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

They should sell the body in ebay and give the money to the poor.

[Bud Struggle]

They should sell the body in ebay and give the money to the poor.

Hmmm. If I can buy Lenin's body and Malte sells me RevLeft---I may have something interesting................:D

[danyboy27]

its a fucking dead corpse.
why people make so much fuss about it?

[The Red Next Door]

I don't care i have more important things to worry about. but i agree let him be burry with his mother if they really respect him.

[Tatarin]

On one hand I can see why Lenin is respected in that way, but it should also be remembered that he is a human, and fought for the human revolution, not his own.

And all humans belong in the ground, aaargghh!!!! :cursing:

No, I'm joking. But he more than definitely deserves a statue. I mean, Marx and Engels got their in that nice park in Berlin, Lenin should get a damn nature reserve with the huge statue Hoboman suggested.

Now, what could be done with the rotting corpse of Jeltsin.... ;)

[cska]

Oops. I voted without reading the post... I thought you meant "bury" in the metaphoric sense as in forget about and erase from history and voted "no"... Now I realize I shoulda voted yes.

[Jimmie Higgins]

For god sakes bury/burn the thing! If he wasn't mummified with chemicals in his grave he'd be rolling in it! It's a fitting metaphor for what the USSR did to his legacy - kept the outer appearance, tossed the content, and sealed it all up like some weirdo religious relic.

The fetishiszation of Marx and Lenin in the USSR was sick and this is the most disgusting example of it.

[Comrade Anarchist]

throw it to the crocs

[Tablo]

Bury the damn body. I seriously doubt he wanted his corpse on display. Besides, it seems like some kind of idol worhsip to keep his corpse around.

[Kayser_Soso]

Now, what could be done with the rotting corpse of Jeltsin.... ;)

Dig it up, mail it to DC.


Personally I think Lenin should be buried because modern day Russia does not represent any of the ideals of the USSR and I am sick of Russians constantly trying to appropriate accomplishments of the USSR while ignoring any mistakes/atrocities either of the Soviet, Tsarist, or modern regime. It's only a matter of time before enough WWII vets die off, and the government starts pushing for hardcore pro-Vlassov propaganda(which the Church will no doubt support ecstatically) anyway.

It's not like many people go to view it anyway. I viewed the body around this same time last year(can't remember how I ended up in the memorial march; only that it was totally at random and I hadn't planned on it). Usually you don't see many people at all viewing the mausoleum.

[Robocommie]

I think that rather than bury Lenin, and rather than put him on display, we should carry him aloft before our armies into battle, like a Marxist Ark of the Covenant, and our armies will be impossible to defeat.

[Tablo]

I think that rather than bury Lenin, and rather than put him on display, we should carry him aloft before our armies into battle, like a Marxist Ark of the Covenant, and our armies will be impossible to defeat.
:laugh:
Maybe we should carry the holy artifacts of Stalin and Mao!

[whore]

don't bury it. the body is so full of poison shit. don't burn it, same reason.

instead, break it into small parts and feed those parts to reactionary scum the world over. that capitalist running dog gets a finger, that reactionary scum bag politician gets a chunk of leg, and so on.

don't waste, poison our enemies instead!


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it doesn't matter how damn long the fucking post is!

[Kayser_Soso]

don't bury it. the body is so full of poison shit. don't burn it, same reason.

instead, break it into small parts and feed those parts to reactionary scum the world over. that capitalist running dog gets a finger, that reactionary scum bag politician gets a chunk of leg, and so on.

don't waste, poison our enemies instead!


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Yo mods! I keep getting this error:

it doesn't matter how damn long the fucking post is!

That's really anti-authoritarian man. Fuck dad AND Mr. Pickens 3rd period history class!!!

[whore]

That's really anti-authoritarian man. Fuck dad AND Mr. Pickens 3rd period history class!!!
dear kayser soso,
that's a fucking stupid comment. i assume you think that i'm just some teenage anarchist who's daddy won't give me an allowance. well, fucker, you're wrong. i'm an adult, in the work force, and haven't lived at home for many years. my parents are poor, and my objections to capitalism et al. comes in part from my up bringing, and my experience in the work force.

you, on the other hand, making a moronic comment like that, it seems to me that you are just another "stalin kiddie". you worship stalin and lenin, and a comment such as mine, makes you furious. lenin is the great man! he must be kept on display as an inspiration to future generations! well fucker, that's just a case of hero worship isn't it. a dead man is worth nothing to a truly left movement.

my suggestion as to what to do with lenin's long dead body is no more outrageous than burning or burying it. indeed, i'm suggesting making use of the body. if i didn't have "anarchist" as my user title, perhaps if i had "marxist-leninist", you wouldn't have made your brain-dead, fuck-witted comment would you.

not yours, because you an idiot,

whore.

[Nolan]

dear kayser soso,
that's a fucking stupid comment. i assume you think that i'm just some teenage anarchist who's daddy won't give me an allowance. well, fucker, you're wrong. i'm an adult, in the work force, and haven't lived at home for many years. my parents are poor, and my objections to capitalism et al. comes in part from my up bringing, and my experience in the work force.

you, on the other hand, making a moronic comment like that, it seems to me that you are just another "stalin kiddie". you worship stalin and lenin, and a comment such as mine, makes you furious. lenin is the great man! he must be kept on display as an inspiration to future generations! well fucker, that's just a case of hero worship isn't it. a dead man is worth nothing to a truly left movement.

my suggestion as to what to do with lenin's long dead body is no more outrageous than burning or burying it. indeed, i'm suggesting making use of the body. if i didn't have "anarchist" as my user title, perhaps if i had "marxist-leninist", you wouldn't have made your brain-dead, fuck-witted comment would you.

not yours, because you an idiot,

whore.

Just be thankful he's not making an estimation of your maturity based on your username.

[Dr Mindbender]

its a fucking dead corpse
what as opposed to a fucking live corpse?

Sorry. :D



Hmmm. If I can buy Lenin's body and Malte sells me RevLeft---I may have something interesting................http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-lenin-buriedi-t127492/revleft/smilies/biggrin.gif

You know, part of the preservation technique involves having to take him out of his glass once a year to give him a bath. It doesnt look like a pleasant job.

[Kayser_Soso]

dear kayser soso,
that's a fucking stupid comment. i assume you think that i'm just some teenage anarchist who's daddy won't give me an allowance. well, fucker, you're wrong. i'm an adult, in the work force, and haven't lived at home for many years. my parents are poor, and my objections to capitalism et al. comes in part from my up bringing, and my experience in the work force.

you, on the other hand, making a moronic comment like that, it seems to me that you are just another "stalin kiddie". you worship stalin and lenin, and a comment such as mine, makes you furious. lenin is the great man! he must be kept on display as an inspiration to future generations! well fucker, that's just a case of hero worship isn't it. a dead man is worth nothing to a truly left movement.

my suggestion as to what to do with lenin's long dead body is no more outrageous than burning or burying it. indeed, i'm suggesting making use of the body. if i didn't have "anarchist" as my user title, perhaps if i had "marxist-leninist", you wouldn't have made your brain-dead, fuck-witted comment would you.

not yours, because you an idiot,

whore.

Cool story bro! Piece of advice- when attempting to prove that you AREN'T some Jolf-cola addled teenager, devote a little more attention to your post.

Mind telling me where all these "Stalin kiddies" supposedly hang out? I lived in the US for most of my life and most of the kiddies tended to gravitate toward another ideology that began with the letter 'A'.

[whore]

Cool story bro! Piece of advice- when attempting to prove that you AREN'T some Jolf-cola addled teenager, devote a little more attention to your post.

Mind telling me where all these "Stalin kiddies" supposedly hang out? I lived in the US for most of my life and most of the kiddies tended to gravitate toward another ideology that began with the letter 'A'.
nice to see you attacking the style, rather than the substance.

why was my suggestion worthy of a direct attack by yourself? perhaps because you can't stand the thought of your great and dear leader being desecrated in such a manner? or maybe just because i am an anarchist?

get over it. the man has been dead for many long years. my suggestion was obviously tongue in cheek, though it makes as much sense as some of the other suggestions.

Dig it up, mail it to DC.
indeed, you made an equally absurd suggestion in regard to another corpse that no one should care about.

[Bud Struggle]

Could you two please knock it off. :)

[Bud Struggle]

You know, part of the preservation technique involves having to take him out of his glass once a year to give him a bath. It doesnt look like a pleasant job.

Suddenly the role of King of Communism doesn't look so appealing to me. :D

[Kayser_Soso]

nice to see you attacking the style, rather than the substance.

Oh there was substance in that post? I must have missed it.



why was my suggestion worthy of a direct attack by yourself? perhaps because you can't stand the thought of your great and dear leader being desecrated in such a manner? or maybe just because i am an anarchist?

Yes, if someone laughs at the idea of Lenin being a "reactionary", then they must worship Lenin!



get over it. the man has been dead for many long years. my suggestion was obviously tongue in cheek, though it makes as much sense as some of the other suggestions.

Perhaps you didn't read my post- but I advocated his burial.



indeed, you made an equally absurd suggestion in regard to another corpse that no one should care about.

On the contrary, people should care about Yeltsin, and something should be done to make a symbol of his treachery. He and folks like Gaidar are getting off the hook way too easily. I should hate to think that Berezovsky, Abramovich, Potanin, Putin et al. should escape justice in the same manner.

[whore]

caring about a corpse, and caring about ideas and legacies are two completely different things.

oh, and it looks like you mis-read my first post. i never said that lenin was reactionary... i said that his body should be feed to reactionaries. did you, perchance, fail reading comprehension in grade 3?

[dice]

He should be buried into the ground. He made his mark on history, and the presence of his body isn't needed anymore.

[gorillafuck]

Of course he should be. He should be buried next to his mother like he wanted.

[Jimmie Higgins]

You know, part of the preservation technique involves having to take him out of his glass once a year to give him a bath. It doesnt look like a pleasant job.:laugh:

It's "Weekend at Vladimir's"!


Suddenly the role of King of Communism doesn't look so appealing to me.Really, have you thought of all the benefits to having a Lenin corpse of your very own?

What if I were to tell you, with a Lenin's corpse you can put him in the passenger seat of your vehicle and get into the car-pool lane anytime you want! You can set up a couple of saw horses and put his stiff body across them to play ping-pong, invite some friends over for a game of poker, or slam some dominoes down on old VI's chest. In a pinch your Lenin's body can be stood upright and used as a coat and hat-rack. When you leave town, put him in your front window to scare off possible intruders or unwanted imperialists. Even your pets will love your new Lenin's body: his legs make great scratching-posts for kitty, and your dog will love to bury him in the yard.

Order today and we will even throw in Jeremy Bentham's body and Oliver Cromwell's decapitated head!

[Solzhenitsyn]

Of course he should be. He should be buried next to his mother like he wanted.

A better idea would be to impale his corpse in the center of Red Square to let the passers by desecrate it. It would be like giving the entire Communist movement one huge middle finger.

[sarmchain]

its kind of funny that almost every communist who has asked to be buried/cremated has ended in a glass box Mao, Ho chi min, Lenin there several more that i cant think of right now stalin was in one from 1953 to 1961

[Kayser_Soso]

its kind of funny that almost every communist who has asked to be buried/cremated has ended in a glass box Mao, Ho chi min, Lenin there several more that i cant think of right now stalin was in one from 1953 to 1961

That's a good point. Maybe the trick is to use reverse psychology. Constantly talk about how much you want to be embalmed and put on display. Most of your comrades will think you are egotistical, and invariably bury you.

[Sendo]

^
got a laugh out of me.

we can't keep preserving bodies. It's stupid, it's a fucking corpse, not a soul, bury it. Better yet, take all bodies and take them out of coffins and let them decompose and use them for fertilizer. Humanity robs the soil of life and holds onto like superstitious idiots.

I want my bones to be ground and end up in soil, in grass, in a cow, in milk, and in new bones. England imported bones from Italian catacombs to grind for fertilizer.

[StalinFanboy]

We should burn his body.

That would be so tight.