sigh...

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e_OFwtJMRY&feature=player_embedded

i dont know where this belongs... but... :closedeyes:


http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34922/

[Winter]

Wow, that's fuckin stupid.

I mean, calling Che, for instance, a murderer and a "forerunner of al-qaida" is like calling George Washington an executioner. And the girl is like "OMG they killed my grandpa", well, your grandpa murdered first and worked for a murderous reactionary dictatorship. Do Americans complain about a british red coat being executed back in the 1700's? Do Americans complain about a nazi being executed?

I don't understand how these people justify one revolution and not another. It's xenophobic and inconsistent.

[Forward Union]

Yea, Che funded bin laden in Afghanistan against the sov.... urm.

[Rusty Shackleford]

This is just going to fuel teabaggers... this will also probably cited as fact. Even though im not ML i still see this as troubling :( Glenn Beck: a Fusion of Propaganda and Entertainment

[Pirate Utopian]

Well that seems like a nice dose of unsourced propaganda, hardly doubt any thing new will be in it though.

[Lyev]

I would like to see these ignorant, obnoxious, cappie arses make a documentary about the oppression and suffering that the USA have dished out. A while ago people were commemorating the 200th (?) anniversary of the abolition of slavery; that was under a colonialist, imperalist, capitalist system where I think 50 million (correct me if I am wrong) African slaves died at the hands of white slave owners. When they were commemorating the abolition of slavery there was nothing about how this was a capitalist evil. Capitalism is dripping from head to toe in the blood of millions of exploited, downtrodden people. Or what about the child labour, or liquidation of native Americans by white settlers, why not a documentary about that? I hate Glenn Beck.

[Q]

Instead of just whining about how awful this crap is, perhaps we should start some serious quality (both in video quality as in content) counter-propaganda offensive.

[NecroCommie]

Instead of just whining about how awful this crap is, perhaps we should start some serious quality (both in video quality as in content) counter-propaganda offensive.
If I had any real talent at making videos I would have already done this.

[Lyev]

Instead of just whining about how awful this crap is, perhaps we should start some serious quality (both in video quality as in content) counter-propaganda offensive.
I'm definitely up for that. How would we distribute such a thing though? If we are to embark upon some sort of antithesis to this video, I think it would be necessary to clearly lay down some principles/ideas as a sort of pathway, so that we know where we're going with it.

[Q]

I'm definitely up for that. How would we distribute such a thing though? If we are to embark upon some sort of antithesis to this video, I think it would be necessary to clearly lay down some principles/ideas as a sort of pathway, so that we know where we're going with it.
1. I don't think we should waste our time with answering this specific video, but answer the general propaganda that is spouted against communism and leftwing ideas in general.
2. How do we distribute it? Youtube? Liveleak? Then many other websites can embed that onto theirs.

I wish I had any video editing talents :(

[Lyev]

1. I don't think we should waste our time with answering this specific video, but answer the general propaganda that is spouted against communism and leftwing ideas in general.
2. How do we distribute it? Youtube? Liveleak? Then many other websites can embed that onto theirs.
Oh I didn't mean to this specific video, I just meant that Glenn Beck seems to be really popular with the American public. What I meant is some sort of populist, leftist alternative to guys like Glenn. And, yeah I was gonna say Youtube, but it seems like the kind of thing that would grow stagnant and get like 437 views after 6 months or something, you know? There must be some sort of method to really broadcast things to a large audience.

Edit: if this thing actually properly got going somewhere into the future, I have a cousin who makes films and teaches how to make films for a living :) I think he's fairly leftly-inclined too.

[Q]

Oh I didn't mean to this specific video, I just meant that Glenn Beck seems to be really popular with the American public.
Then that is certainly a valid concern.


What I meant is some sort of populist, leftist alternative to guys like Glenn. And, yeah I was gonna say Youtube, but it seems like the kind of thing that would grow stagnant and get like 437 views after 6 months or something, you know? There must be some sort of method to really broadcast things to a large audience.
Fair enough, but let's take one step at a time here. Distribution is certainly an issue to be thought out more carefully though.


Edit: if this thing actually properly got going somewhere into the future, I have a cousin who makes films and teaches how to make films for a living :) I think he's fairly leftly-inclined too.
That is just great! I'm sure we can also find leftwing people who want to distribute things like this :)

[The Red Next Door]

In America stupidity is the best.

[FreeFocus]

Wow, that's fuckin stupid.

I mean, calling Che, for instance, a murderer and a "forerunner of al-qaida" is like calling George Washington an executioner. And the girl is like "OMG they killed my grandpa", well, your grandpa murdered first and worked for a murderous reactionary dictatorship. Do Americans complain about a british red coat being executed back in the 1700's? Do Americans complain about a nazi being executed?

I don't understand how these people justify one revolution and not another. It's xenophobic and inconsistent.

Well, no it isn't, because George Washington was a murderous terrorist who conducted a scorched earth, ethnic cleansing campaign against several Native nations during the American Revolution. Che, on the other hand, wasn't a "forerunner of al-Qaeda," and can't even be called a terrorist because he didn't support targeting civilians.

Video is stupid, obviously. I also support putting out some counter-videos to this garbage.

[Chambered Word]

1. I don't think we should waste our time with answering this specific video, but answer the general propaganda that is spouted against communism and leftwing ideas in general.
2. How do we distribute it? Youtube? Liveleak? Then many other websites can embed that onto theirs.

I wish I had any video editing talents :(

If I wasn't such a lazy bastard I'd be doing this right now. It's definately worth a try. :)

Should anyone be interested in helping create a video (or many) to answer these lies, please message me.

[Rusty Shackleford]

What you could do is see if a video made by us(RevLeft) could be copied and distributed over the internet or in material form and then try to air them on public channels or even try to submit them to major media/news companies

[Manifesto]

Oh I get it they bring up Nazis and gas chambers then focus on Communists in order to channel the hate.:glare:

[Tablo]

I would certainly be up for helping produce a Leftist film. If it is a successful project we could even make Leftist videos a regular RevLeft community project! :)

[Q]

I thought I'd start a usergroup to facilitate such a project (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=354), join today if you want to help out! :)

[Sendo]

Amazing. For fuck's sake, even the NAZIS acknowledged that propaganda should have a grain of truth to it. For example, the Wandering Jew, was based on the fact that Jews in Europe had traveled from their traditional homeland in Palestine (though before that, they were nomadic at times). But the fact that the Germanic peoples had moved just as much, or the fact that Jews in Europe often ran from persecution, or the existence of traditional "Ghetto", a Jewish, centuries-old ethnic neighborhood with roots gets left out. But at least it was based on, or conflated it with something tangible. Despicable as can be, to be sure, but I can at least "see" the racist thinking.

Saying the atheist, communist, revolutionary Latin American Che is the forerunner to a CIA-funded, Islamist, terrorist group who fought against a communist government and Soviet troops DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I can't understand how any nitwit, racist, reactionary, fascist, ignoramus could possibly make that connection.

[RedScare]

Well damn, debating people is always difficult, this reactionary trash is just gonna make it all the more difficult. It's not like bad shit didn't happen, but these seem real intent on making the Nazi comparison stick in people's minds. Fuck, the last thing we need is reactionary historical revisionism. Re-god-damn-diculous.

[Tablo]

I am watching the documentary right now. It is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever seen. It says Nazis are the same as Communists and that Marx and Engels believed in there being inferior races. I am about to smash in my television.

[RadioRaheem84]

Instead of just whining about how awful this crap is, perhaps we should start some serious quality (both in video quality as in content) counter-propaganda offensive.

AGREED! The quality of that video was fucking crap and looked like it was made in Glenn Beck's basement and he will make a killing in DVD sales to tea baggers who will host Patriot parties at home.

But look, seriously, we have to mobilize, like NOW. This type of propaganda is dangerous. I mean, if we set up a booth passing out flyers, we're liable to be shot - type of dangerous.

It cannot be that hard to make a video of our own, use stock footage and get some real deal scholars to volunteer their time to do some short interviews.

[Tablo]

You're right. This Leftist video project has got me really inspired. My mom is watching it too and she is latching on to every piece of garbage said. They interviewed the daughter of a Colonel in the Batista regime who was upset about Che killing her father. Are you serious? So there is a problem with a Revolution killing a member of the military dictatorship? This garbage provides only the perspective of blatant liars and blind conservatives.

[RadioRaheem84]

How people can believe a guy who pauses every ten minutes to discuss the virtues of buying gold, carbonite security files, and other junk, is beyond me!

Ridiculous. It makes me sad at the state of the American working class and their level of intelligence? It's unlike that of any developed nation in the world. Heck even the undeveloped world has a more class conscious and intelligent population. Even people with little to no schooling can understand that the boss and the politician are exploiting them. We embrace it and die for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and call it freedom!!!!!!

[Tablo]

It is a sad thing that workers have so little class consciousness in the US, but it might be comforting to recognize that it is likely the primary viewers of Glenn Beck are petty-bourgeois. At least I'm pretty sure they are..

[RadioRaheem84]

It is a sad thing that workers have so little class consciousness in the US, but it might be comforting to recognize that it is likely the primary viewers of Glenn Beck are petty-bourgeois. At least I'm pretty sure they are..

There are many working class people who think of themselves as middle class and sympathize with the petit=bourgeois. But overall I do think that the large part of the reactionary force is small business owners, middle managers and white working class people.

[RadioRaheem84]

Any links to this awful piece of work? It looks like it's getting rave reviews from the tea baggers on youtube. Apparently its the best thing since sliced bread. They're applauding each other and attributing some discredited right wing Cuban's work on Che as monumental evidence that Che was an evil precursor to Bin Laden. It's a sad, sad day to be a leftist.

[Liberateeducate]

This shit is Utter bullshit, once that project is done, I will pass it around and spread it as far as possible.
I agree we need to mobilize. I really want to get a list of historically inaccurate statements he makes out to the people. I havent watched it, but someone who is should keep track. We don't need to just fact check this ignorance, but literally destroy it witht he truth about Che/communism/leftism/socialism.
Like someone said earlier how Che is what spawned Al- Qeada or Taliban or whatever, well we need to show how the US funded and them, and how they originally branched from Muhjadeen (spelling) and how the USA helped bring them to power.
Like the fact that so many americans have no idea that the "terrorist" threat that "hates their freedoms" was originally funded, trained and mobilized by the US is crazy.

Al Qaeda is both a product of and response to the dominant US corporate capitalist globalizing empire.

[Tablo]

They even cited the black book of communism. Sad thing is people do not care about checking the legitimacy of sources or anything. They just want to sit down and be fed the information they want to hear.

[RadioRaheem84]

They even cited the black book of communism. Sad thing is people do not care about checking the legitimacy of sources or anything. They just want to sit down and be fed the information they want to hear.

That tends to be a trait in American society. A lot Americans want to be led by the hand and want the media to reflect their nationalistic zeal.

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/35425/


i think this contains the video, i dont have time right now to check it. we need to watch this so we can all come up with counter arguments.

[rednordman]

Er, hold the phone a second here...Isnt this just a BLATANT rip off of 'soviet story' that was released last year?

I wonder if the European parlinment will sue them for using the exact same pieces ficton that they conjured up.....:lol:

[rednordman]

On that note, may I also ask, why on earth are they trying to administer a 3rd red scare, when there are virtually no self-proclaimed socialist or communist countries/forces on the whole of the planet earth? OK In the past, at least they actually had the soviet union, Who have they got now? Islamic fundamentalists are not the same as communists. Who is going to be their next rival superpower? Nepal? (no offense, but it hasnt got the same landmass and population as Russia did):rolleyes: China cannot be classified as communist by the USA in the same way as Russia was anymore.

To produce such a spectacle, they are (imo) acting paranoid and worried about something. Does the rightwing now see the ever widening cracks in their own idiologies?

[Rusty Shackleford]

On that note, may I also ask, why on earth are they trying to administer a 3rd red scare, when there are virtually no self-proclaimed socialist or communist countries/forces on the whole of the planet earth? OK In the past, at least they actually had the soviet union, Who have they got now? Islamic fundamentalists are not the same as communists. Who is going to be their next rival superpower? Nepal? (no offense, but it hasnt got the same landmass and population as Russia did):rolleyes: China cannot be classified as communist by the USA in the same way as Russia was anymore.

To produce such a spectacle, they are (imo) acting paranoid and worried about something. Does the rightwing now see the ever widening cracks in their own idiologies?



The driving force for another red scare has to come from the heart of the Teaparty movement here in the US. Fox News is unabashedly biased towards the teapartyers and will willfully feed them. We see the world as lacking in socialism(for the most part) but they see the Obama administration, the EU, and even Canada as socialist.

[rednordman]

The driving force for another red scare has to come from the heart of the Teaparty movement here in the US. Fox News is unabashedly biased towards the teapartyers and will willfully feed them. We see the world as lacking in socialism(for the most part) but they see the Obama administration, the EU, and even Canada as socialist.But what is going to come of this if they are successfull? People getting sent to prison/shot for being communists, when there is zero communist superpower in the world, and the people are actually capitalism supporters (democrats)?
They could even end up as bad as the nazis as in sending people away to camps for simply being different to the conservative norms. Basically, different = communist to them.

[chegitz guevara]

Amazing. For fuck's sake, even the NAZIS acknowledged that propaganda should have a grain of truth to it.

That's only necessary when the population has some education. The American people are technically very educated, but know very little about history, and virtually nothing about the rest of the world.

[RadioRaheem84]

But what is going to come of this if they are successfull? People getting sent to prison/shot for being communists, when there is zero communist superpower in the world, and the people are actually capitalism supporters (democrats)?
They could even end up as bad as the nazis as in sending people away to camps for simply being different to the conservative norms. Basically, different = communist to them. I think its irresponsible for Fox to give Glenn Beck and his illogical rants a forum. They should know that a good chunk of the American people are hanging on by a thread economically and psychologically. Being totally disconnected from both the economic and the political process has driven people to insane lengths in search of an explanation and Communism is always the same canard used by right wingers.

I think that all Fox is doing is instituting another red scare in order to keep the masses from going left at all. Reminding people that socialism is the reason why we're here and not capitalism.


That's only necessary when the population has some education. The American people are technically very educated, but know very little about history, and virtually nothing about the rest of the world.The American public are very very educated when it comes to aspects of work. Computer science, engineering, mechanical, business, etc. I have never been to a country where the general population knows so much about fixing their own cars, homes, computers,etc. In this aspect, Americans are very educated in getting down to work but in general knowledge about politics, history, economics, geography, world cultures, we're embarrassingly uneducated. I mean, every other nation (even third world ones) have some idea about what's going on in the world and where nations are on a map or know some general fact about history. I guess we feel that we don't need to know all of this stuff because it doesn't help us out financially or perhaps our nation is just incredibly insular thanks to the media.

[Chambered Word]

Er, hold the phone a second here...Isnt this just a BLATANT rip off of 'soviet story' that was released last year?

I wonder if the European parlinment will sue them for using the exact same pieces ficton that they conjured up.....:lol:

No, they'll fly over to America to lick eachother's anuses. :rolleyes:


This shit is Utter bullshit, once that project is done, I will pass it around and spread it as far as possible.
I agree we need to mobilize. I really want to get a list of historically inaccurate statements he makes out to the people. I havent watched it, but someone who is should keep track. We don't need to just fact check this ignorance, but literally destroy it witht he truth about Che/communism/leftism/socialism.

If you want to help, just tell me. Robocommie and I are working on a video to counter Beck's propaganda and it'd be great to have another helper.


Like someone said earlier how Che is what spawned Al- Qeada or Taliban or whatever, well we need to show how the US funded and them, and how they originally branched from Muhjadeen (spelling) and how the USA helped bring them to power.

From what I heard they just drew similarities between Che and al-Qaida/the Taliban, but I'll have to watch that part for myself. :(


Like the fact that so many americans have no idea that the "terrorist" threat that "hates their freedoms" was originally funded, trained and mobilized by the US is crazy.

Al Qaeda is both a product of and response to the dominant US corporate capitalist globalizing empire.

It's really sad how people can forget the history of their own country like that.

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/35425/


i think this contains the video, i dont have time right now to check it. we need to watch this so we can all come up with counter arguments.


Holy shit!!!! The excerpts from this horrible horrible documentary are so bad that I think I ground my teeth down to powder.

This man is seriously dangerous! He wants people to jump on pick up trucks and shoot us. I mean the level of inconsistency, misrepresentation and outright lies is overwhelming. If I had little to no knowledge of history I would've punched the next liberal in the face! I could only imagine if I was a politically disenfranchised poverty stricken person with nothing to lose, what I would've done to a leftist.

What the hell is wrong with Beck, there are no communists left? Why is rehashing this trashy stuff?

How does he ignore the Spanish Civil War where Communists fought Nazi backed Fascists?

How does he ignore the Italian Partisans, the Greek CP, the French Resistance, the countless people who opposed the Nazi-Stalin pact, the obvious rift between fascists and socialists since the end of WWI?
Why was there no mention that all of these "marxist" offshoots were the result of the failed system of capitalism?

How does he ignore that Che went to fight in the Congo? That JFK himself praised the Cuban Revolution in the beginning?

How does he equate progressive eugenicists with Marx? It just all seems like Beck is trying desperately to connect too many dots.

[Das war einmal]

You know, it would be a terrific idea to make a movie about 'blackshirts and reds'