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JimN
19th January 2010, 20:39
CAPITALISM OR SOCIALISM?

Public Debate between:

Adam Smith Institute (Eamonn Butler)

and the

Socialist Party (Richard Headicar).

Thursday, 4th February, 7.00pm
Small Hall, Conway Hall
Red Lion Square
London WC1 (nearest tube: Holborn)

All welcome. Admission free.
robbo203
20th January 2010, 16:36
CAPITALISM OR SOCIALISM?

Public Debate between:

Adam Smith Institute (Eamonn Butler)

and the

Socialist Party (Richard Headicar).

Thursday, 4th February, 7.00pm
Small Hall, Conway Hall
Red Lion Square
London WC1 (nearest tube: Holborn)

All welcome. Admission free.

It will be interesting to see if Butler comes up wth the old bogey of the "economic calculation argument" and the claim that socialism is some sort of centrally planned economy. That is the last refuge of all there free market types
JimN
20th January 2010, 17:21
It will be interesting to see if Butler comes up wth the old bogey of the "economic calculation argument" and the claim that socialism is some sort of centrally planned economy. That is the last refuge of all there free market types

Undoubtedly he will.

Doesn't it go something like:

Money is great. It automatically works out all the billions of calculations necessary for a complex society to function. That is, what to produce and how, where to transport it to and how, who should do what work etc. It's the best system we could possibly have.

Seems to me, though, that it has difficulty working out the simplest of things. It hasn't worked out that we all need food, clean water and shelter. Or maybe he will say that it's great that money can work out who lives and who dies.
bricolage
21st January 2010, 13:35
Socialist Party (Richard Headicar).

Which of the various socialist parties is this?
JimN
21st January 2010, 15:27
Which of the various socialist parties is this?

The Socialist Party of Great Britain
robbo203
1st February 2010, 18:18
Jim

Is Eamonn Butler an anarcho-capitalist type or what? Sounds like it will be an interesting debate!
bailey_187
5th February 2010, 21:53
fuck i was going to go to this but forgot, is there any recording of it?
Klaatu
6th February 2010, 01:28
fuck i was going to go to this but forgot, is there any recording of it?

Count me in too. Transcript?
JimN
6th February 2010, 14:39
Count me in too. Transcript?

The debate was recorded. As soon as it's available I'll let you know.
comradshaw
6th February 2010, 15:06
CAPITALISM OR SOCIALISM?

Public Debate between:

Adam Smith Institute (Eamonn Butler)


Someone should bring it to Butler's attention that at times in The Wealth of Nations Adam Smith sounds downright like a market socialist. Smith connotes many ideas that suggest he wouldn't be a proponent of what came to be known as the "free" market. He's certainly not my bag as he also tends to lean towards favoring petit-bourgeois economics (he is certainly anti-corporate), but I think it's hilarious that these far right-wingers worship him when he favored egalitarianism, social services provided by the State, and the abolition of corporations.


The Socialist Party of Great Britain

I've heard some folks say the Socialist Party of Great Britain's a little on the cultish side. Anyone else hear this accusation?
Klaatu
6th February 2010, 16:50
The debate was recorded. As soon as it's available I'll let you know.

Thanks. It ought to be very interesting.
bailey_187
6th February 2010, 18:03
I've heard some folks say the Socialist Party of Great Britain's a little on the cultish side. Anyone else hear this accusation?

Depends what you mean by Cult. If you mean there is a leader of the Party that everyone follows as a great theoretician, then from what i seen, that is not true. IIRC, their articles dont even have a name by who wrote it usually.
robbo203
12th February 2010, 08:29
Jim, Do you have a recording of this debate yet?
JimN
12th February 2010, 13:57
Sorry Robin,

Not yet. All I know is:


The video will be available in due course on
YouTube, blip.tv and possibly elsewhere but a transcript there won't be, I
regret.
JimN
24th March 2010, 20:03
CAPITALISM OR SOCIALISM?

Public Debate between:

Adam Smith Institute (Eamonn Butler)

and the

Socialist Party (Richard Headicar).

Thursday, 4th February, 7.00pm
Small Hall, Conway Hall
Red Lion Square
London WC1 (nearest tube: Holborn)

All welcome. Admission free.

After unprecedented demand here is the debate on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...1E5F3EEA60BAE4 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BF1E5F3EEA60BAE4)

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Leftalone09
24th March 2010, 22:35
Wow, another World Socialist :D. I'm applying for the U.S. companion party!
It seems we're a rare breed, even among lefties.
JimN
25th March 2010, 15:08
Wow, another World Socialist :D. I'm applying for the U.S. companion party!
It seems we're a rare breed, even among lefties.

Good luck with the application, my friend.

By the way, Hopeless is a great name for a town.
Leftalone09
29th March 2010, 06:26
Thanks. :) Filling it out along side my term paper, hopefully I can finish it soon. Oh, on the application, are you able to send your answers in typing paper? Some of my answers won't fit in the space given, at least not with my hand writing.

Glad you like it, figured it fit better than Hope, for this town.
JimN
29th March 2010, 09:36
Thanks. :) Filling it out along side my term paper, hopefully I can finish it soon. Oh, on the application, are you able to send your answers in typing paper? Some of my answers won't fit in the space given, at least not with my hand writing.

Glad you like it, figured it fit better than Hope, for this town.

What a shame! I was really hoping that Hopeless was a real town.

I'm sure you can send in in your answers in any format you choose. Anyway, good luck with that and the term paper.