Naomi Wolf: this is US left?

[punisa]

Ahm... no its not, this is a joke.
Just wanted to share with you, perhaps learn a little bit. One person sent me this link and labeled it as "a must watch":
http://fora.tv/2007/10/09/Naomi_Wolf_End_of_America

I'm really disappointed if actually people look at people like Naomi as a representative of a left.
Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.

But ok, let let's not get all critical about everything :laugh:
I'll let you guys watch the vid, and you comment if you want.

[Sendo]

Ahm... no its not, this is a joke.
Just wanted to share with you, perhaps learn a little bit. One person sent me this link and labeled it as "a must watch":
http://fora.tv/2007/10/09/Naomi_Wolf_End_of_America

I'm really disappointed if actually people look at people like Naomi as a representative of a left.
Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.

But ok, let let's not get all critical about everything :laugh:
I'll let you guys watch the vid, and you comment if you want.

Don't worry, she doesn't have the visibility to discredit the left, nor is she seducing anyone away from our brands of radicalism.

Leftist investigative journalists like on DemocracyNow!, as well as that show's regular guests like Zinn, have far more fame than Wolf. And their fame is still limited severely. I mean, most Americans don't even know about Kucinich, or Bernie Sanders, the most leftist people in Congress. That's why people like Glenn Beck and their teabaggers can't rant about Pelosi being a Maoist. The ignorance allows them to see Pelosi (who supported every measure of Republican domestic spying and the Iraq/Afghan wars) as left as can be.

[Martin Blank]

Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.

Exactly. I put her in the same category as the other reptile liberals that crawl out of the woodwork for no reason other than to whore out another book they wrote. At least liberals like Thom Hartmann actually have a radio show or something in addition to their book sales.

[Raúl Duke]

I'm really disappointed if actually people look at people like Naomi as a representative of a left.
Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.


In the U.S., some people view "progressives" as "the left" although you have to consider that the label "leftist" is very fluid and in the U.S. it's being used by some against (and to describe) certain liberals.

[punisa]

In the U.S., some people view "progressives" as "the left" although you have to consider that the label "leftist" is very fluid and in the U.S. it's being used by some against (and to describe) certain liberals.

I see, reason why I explicitly mentioned her as leftist is because she said it herself at the end of the lecture :laugh: Something along lines "we, the leftists must rise up and defend our constitution". Bollocks :lol:

[RadioRaheem84]

Don't ever look to an average American to define what a leftist is. They will fight you to the death over it meaning "level of state intervention in everything from the economy to the prize in the cereal box" !

Also, liberals and some progressives love to be considered a part of the left. It's a way for them to usurp everything positive the left did back in it's hey day while still being able to clink champagne glasses with the wealthy. Fuck them and don't give them that satisfaction.

Naomi Wolf doesn't hold a candle to Amy Goodman.

[punisa]

Naomi Wolf doesn't hold a candle to Amy Goodman.

I agree completely :)

[cyu]

Naomi Wolf doesn't hold a candle to Amy Goodman.

I agree completely :)


Sarah Palin has done far more for the left than Naomi Wolf has ever done :lol:

Seriously though, you really can't look to anybody famous for leftist ideas - if their ideas were good enough to be truly a threat to capitalism, the ruling class would have never allowed them to become famous.

[LeninistKing]

Naomi Wolf is a celebrity, conspiracy-theorist, bourgeoise-reformist, she is not a socialist at all.

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Ahm... no its not, this is a joke.
Just wanted to share with you, perhaps learn a little bit. One person sent me this link and labeled it as "a must watch":
http://fora.tv/2007/10/09/Naomi_Wolf_End_of_America

I'm really disappointed if actually people look at people like Naomi as a representative of a left.
Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.

But ok, let let's not get all critical about everything :laugh:
I'll let you guys watch the vid, and you comment if you want.

[LeninistKing]

However the US government is turning has been slowly evolving into a hardcore fascistic system, every 4 years, the president that comes gets more fascist and more fascist, but you know the average american sheeple lives in a coocoon and just dont care !!

this is a comment about the Naomi Wolf's video "End of America":


Naomi, you speak of one of the steps being that 'they' create secret prison camps. You also spoke of Guantanamo Bay. For their plans, they would need a bigger prison than Guantanamo Bay. Not long ago I came across a lecture on YouTube of Phil Schneider who has since been murdered for talking about his involvement in the building of Deep Underground Military Bases or Prisons, in America now - they're named DUMB's or DUMP's. Out of the 1,400 I think, of them, at least one is under an airport. They have the shackles and the prison transfer carriages/cars literally ready. This works in with what you're saying.

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Ahm... no its not, this is a joke.
Just wanted to share with you, perhaps learn a little bit. One person sent me this link and labeled it as "a must watch":
http://fora.tv/2007/10/09/Naomi_Wolf_End_of_America

I'm really disappointed if actually people look at people like Naomi as a representative of a left.
Just another "buy-my-book" people if you ask me.

But ok, let let's not get all critical about everything :laugh:
I'll let you guys watch the vid, and you comment if you want.

[Rusty Shackleford]

However the US government is turning has been slowly evolving into a hardcore fascistic system, every 4 years, the president that comes gets more fascist and more fascist, but you know the average american sheeple lives in a coocoon and just dont care !!

this is a comment about the Naomi Wolf's video "End of America":


Naomi, you speak of one of the steps being that 'they' create secret prison camps. You also spoke of Guantanamo Bay. For their plans, they would need a bigger prison than Guantanamo Bay. Not long ago I came across a lecture on YouTube of Phil Schneider who has since been murdered for talking about his involvement in the building of Deep Underground Military Bases or Prisons, in America now - they're named DUMB's or DUMP's. Out of the 1,400 I think, of them, at least one is under an airport. They have the shackles and the prison transfer carriages/cars literally ready. This works in with what you're saying.

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why would they build new ones? arent there plenty of cappie-bunkers and missile silos to use?

[x359594]

...liberals and some progressives love to be considered a part of the left. It's a way for them to usurp everything positive the left did back in it's hey day...

That's an astute observation. It's also true that the US right is talking about the same thing when they refer to "the Left." The level of their indoctrination is such that the actual socialist/communist left doesn't exist for them except as vague words for another brand of liberalism. I'm speaking of the rank and file right, not rightist intellectuals who have some understanding of the difference between liberalism and socialism/communism.

[RadioRaheem84]

That's an astute observation. It's also true that the US right is talking about the same thing when they refer to "the Left." The level of their indoctrination is such that the actual socialist/communist left doesn't exist for them except as vague words for another brand of liberalism. I'm speaking of the rank and file right, not rightist intellectuals who have some understanding of the difference between liberalism and socialism/communism.


Two things helped me figure this out. A lot of my friends are bankers or work for management consulting firms and they all vote Democrat and make fun of the right, yet read the Economist, WSJ, and check the Dow on their I-Phones. They consider themselves a part of the left and believe that they represent what's good in America. Barack Obama is like their hero, i.e. one of them. I am their token socialist friend, but they somehow mistake my political beliefs for social democracy or progressive politics. They cannot fathom that I am as red/black as David Harvey, Chomsky or Durruti.

Point is, there is a whole network of liberal types like this that love to be called leftist and be snarled at by the right wing in this country. Yet, they think globalization is OK, hedge funds are cool, and you can solve all problems with some government programs and charity events. Changing the social relations in production is just too radical of an idea; evern further left than what they thought was left.

Secondly, I read the book Wolves in the Sheeps Clothing, by Stepan Marshall. It's an excellent read. It spells out the dynamics of the faux liberal. They can barely be even called Social Democrats. Christopher Hitchens was right in that there is no more left in this country because they've all sold out to Clintonism and in the UK to New Labour Blairism. It's sickening to me because not only do they lumps themselves in with us, but they love it when others (namely the right) lump them in with us . This further pushes the real out of the spectrum and makes room for them to ursurp our mission of real social justice.

Talk to these liberals, especially the more wonkish ones, about fundamentally changing the social relations in production and restructuring the economy. They will turn on you like a right winger would or with a condescending tone tell you that that's a nice vision for the world, but we have our charts, statistics and quant analysis that can fix the ills of the world, we don't need Leftism.

[Raúl Duke]

I'm speaking of the rank and file right, not rightist intellectuals who have some understanding of the difference between liberalism and socialism/communism.

Who are these rightist intellectuals? (I'm just curious, I'm not asking this as a disagreement on what you said)
Most people on the right, even those on TV, don't seem to have any understanding of socialism/communism and its difference with liberalism...

[Tatarin]

Most people on the right, even those on TV, don't seem to have any understanding of socialism/communism and its difference with liberalism...

I think that is the point. The goal is to make people believe that not only are these liberals liberal with all kinds of strange and un-American ideas, they are incahoots with foreign communists too! In contrast, what leftist have never pointed a finger at a right-wing government or politician and called him or her a fascist?

If I'm not right, Michael Parenti said something along the lines that capitalists were the most schooled people in Marxists there are (that is, being fully conscious about working class power and what it can do once it is realised).

[RadioRaheem84]

Who are these rightist intellectuals? (I'm just curious, I'm not asking this as a disagreement on what you said)
Most people on the right, even those on TV, don't seem to have any understanding of socialism/communism and its difference with liberalism...

Most right wing intellectuals tend to be Libertarians like Thomas Sowell, the late Milton Friedman, people in the CATO Institute, etc. There are no real intellectuals in the right wing conservative camp. How can they be? Their ideology is based on seriously flawed a methodology and illogical ramblings.