View Full Version : Restoring the industrial/manufacturing base during and post revolution
Raúl Duke
18th January 2010, 01:43
I was wondering...
In the 1st world we have seen how the industrial sector has been replaced by a "service" (some of it isn't even an exact service but just pencil-pushing and number crunching) sector...
During revolution (or more exactly, the possible civil war part) we need the capability to manufacture things such as weapons and munitions.
After the revolution we obviously need the capability of to make consumer goods...
The issue is less about bringing back the physical capital of the manufacturing sector but more to do with people...most people in the 1st world do not know anything about manufacturing...how should this problem be solved?
Die Neue Zeit
18th January 2010, 04:24
"Socialist primitive accumulation" policies aimed at key segments of unproductive labour: self-employed jocks, cops, lawyers, judges, private security guards, etc.
Other segments of unproductive labour, like factory workers producing exclusively luxury goods, can switch production towards production of more ordinary consumer goods. Still others, like factory workers producing military-industrial material, can stay where they are.
Raúl Duke
18th January 2010, 22:35
"Socialist primitive accumulation" policies
Could you elaborate on these policies?
Die Neue Zeit
19th January 2010, 04:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_accumulation
Socialist accumulation (in particular, primitive Socialist accumulation) was a concept in Socialist economy put forth in the early Soviet Union as a counterpart of the concept of primitive accumulation of capital in capitalist economy.
The major proponent of the concept was Yevgeni Preobrazhensky, in his 1926 work The New Economics, based on his 1924 lecture in the Communist Academy, The Fundamental Law of Socialist Accumulation. The concept was proposed during the period of NEP. Its main principle is that the state sector of the mixed economy of the transitional period has to appropriate the peasant's surplus product to accumulate resources necessary for the growth of the industry. To this end, the major mechanisms were the foreign trade monopoly held the state and price control in favor of industry (in effect, "price scissors")
This theory was criticized politically and associated with Leon Trotsky and the Left Opposition, but in fact was put into practice by Joseph Stalin in the 1930s, as when Stalin said, in his speech to The Captains of Industry, that the USSR had to accomplish in a decade what England had taken centuries to do in terms of economic development in order to be prepared for an invasion from the West.
The very reactionary, non-proletarian segments that I mentioned above can only assimilate into the proletariat after sufficient force has been exerted upon them. So, since they'd oppose us, they'd be the first to be put into some sort of re-industrialization program, whether they like it or not. If they happen to be imprisoned during the revolution, the prison system would have to include a cheap labour element in manufacturing and/or construction (i.e., the Gulag city of Magnitogorsk).
I said what I said above because developed countries other than France don't have a peasantry. However, the small-business farmer should be made into an employed farm worker by any means necessary.
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