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graffic
17th January 2010, 12:26
So this is the fifth inquiry into the 2003 Iraq war and the anti-war movement still shouts louder and louder that the war was "illegal" and Blair and Bush were "wrong" to invade. I agree with the skepticism over the legitimacy of the invasion, I'm not a fan of either leaders, but I'm also skeptical of the conviction the anti-war crowd supposedly have.
The Liberal Democrats have mostly stuck to their anti-war rhetoric for political reasons and I think the anti-war movement does have credibility, but I also think it's taking a huge leap of assumption to say, as many commentators argue, that the war was essentially "bad" and "wrong" from the start. How can you say that if Britain and US had not invaded, the region would have stayed as it was? The victims of Ba'athism and Islamism could have climbed in numbers. Perhaps the threat of Saddam was "sexed up" but I am skeptical of the conviction that some people hold, with hindsight, that you can say invading Iraq was fundamentally wrong. I would like to see how many of these people would have acted if they were given the intelligence that leaders had at the time.
Nick Cohen (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/17/chilcott-inquiry-iraq-blair) argues in today's Observer that people say they want the truth, but so many of the critics and conspiracy theorists only want those parts of the truth that fit their criticism or their conspiracy theory.
Alistair Campbell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PswKIqF33vg), Blair's former director of communications, cries it was "dishonest journalism".
Although the evidence points to the fact that the invasion was driven by typical capitalist, imperialist motives I disagree that you can say with conviction, unless you have a mystic ball or God exists and you can ask him about fate, that Blair and Bush made the absolute "wrong" decision to topple Saddam.
Bankotsu
17th January 2010, 12:38
How US set out to destroy Iraq's national identity and build a dependent state
MICHAEL JANSEN
Cultural Cleansing in Iraq Edited by Raymond W. Baker, Shereen T. Ismael, and Tareq Y. Ismael. Pluto, 296 pp. $34.95
THIS BOOK argues convincingly that the post- war cultural cleansing of Iraq is intentional rather than random and haphazard, the result of chaos and anarchy.
The aim of the policy of cultural cleansing is to remake Iraq into a US-friendly state and enable Washington’s returned Shia and Kurd exiles to take and exercise power.
In the first of 10 chapters, the editors contend that the Bush administration’s objectives were to demonstrate US global dominance and remake “the strategic Middle East” to suit the US.
“To that end, the invasion of Iraq would display America’s crushing military power to a world reduced to the status of spectators in a spectacle of a state’s destruction, marked by massive civilian casualties, cultural devastation and the pauperisation of its people.”
Subsequent chapters show how Iraq’s state structures were systematically destroyed along with the independent secular nationalist socialist regime.
This began with the looting of the country’s museums and libraries, schools and universities. Although Iraqis carried out most of the pillage and destruction, the US was responsible for what took place.
Scholars had warned the White House and Pentagon that this would happen if vulnerable sites were not protected. Nothing was done because, according to Barbara Bodine, Washington’s first post-war ambassador, orders had been issued to the effect that looting should be allowed to proceed unchecked.
In some cases, US troops broke open the doors of institutions to aid looters.
The US also used major archaeological sites, including ancient Babylon and Ur, as military bases, inflicting irreparable damage.
By attacking the country’s history and “collective memory”, Zainab Bahrani holds that the US sought to undermine the unique national identity of Iraqis.
Their strong sense of history and culture has made them the most inventive poets, writers and painters in the Arab world.
The second half of the book focuses on the killing of Iraqi intellectuals and professionals.
As early as April 11th, 2003, two days after the fall of Baghdad, a group of university professors and scientists dispatched an e-mail saying that the occupation forces had drawn up lists of individuals for detention, harassment and elimination.
Since then, hundreds of university processors, doctors and scientists have been assassinated, kidnapped, killed or driven into exile.
The murder of Dr Muhammad Rawi, a medical doctor and chancellor of Baghdad University in July 2003, shocked the country and served as a warning to others in the intelligentsia.
Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency and the Iranian-founded Iraqi Badr Corps militia were initially blamed for the killings.
However, the book’s contributors provide solid evidence that the US and Britain fostered the decimation of the intellectuals because they would resist foreign domination through Shia and Kurd proxies who rode into Baghdad on the backs of US tanks.
The vehicle for the purge of intellectuals was the de-Baathification campaign instituted by Paul Bremer, the US pro-consul from 2003-2004, and used by successive Shia-led sectarian governments to target secular nationalist thinkers of every sect.
The US is accused of using the “Salvador option”, a strategy evolved in Central America, to create US-compliant regimes in that region.
The 13 authors of this work say the US set out to destroy Iraq’s national identity, reduce and marginalise the educated class and wipe the Iraqi slate clean in order to build from ground zero a weak state which would be dependent on the US.
This experiment in “state ending” has left a black hole at the heart of the eastern Arab world.
Michael Jansen writes on Middle East affairs for The Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0112/1224262111811.html
graffic
17th January 2010, 13:15
Perhaps the US strategy involved setting up a US compliant regime, of course it would. But they toppled an evil dictator at the same time, who was guilty of genocide. How many African dictators are they going to topple and create a US "compliant regime"? The intelligence at the time said that Saddam was a threat.
And of course the war is going to cause a lot of destruction, not only to buildings but to, as the authors say, "Iraqs national identity". The intellectuals you quote as being murdered were supposedly murdered by "Mossad" or "Iranian-founded Iraqi Badr Corps militia", who knows who was responsible? Will anyone ever know? Probably not. And with regards to the troops who "allowed looting" to take place, there is no evidence of this, were they under orders to do so? Or were they disobeying orders? Which probably happens from time to time I would imagine. I don't know.
Is a US dependent, "weak state", better than a secular nationalist socialist regime with a dictator? I wouldn't argue that the cultural cleansing was a result of anarchy, perhaps it was intentional, but how much so? To what degree? It smells of conspiracy theory, perhaps it was more to do with diplomats inhaling the media, anti-Saddam aroma and responding to the widely believed, supposed "threats" from Saddam Hussein, because it was expected of them. The global force with the most power felt "responsible" to take action?
Bankotsu
17th January 2010, 13:34
The intelligence at the time said that Saddam was a threat.
That's bullshit as well. Look it up on the web.
ComradeMan
20th January 2010, 21:13
Huh!!!
It's not illegal when the President of the US does it.... who was it now? Nixon?
That's the harsh reality of this world.
There are those that can, and they can with impunity whereas other cannot and they cannot without mercy.
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