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Holden Caulfield
14th January 2010, 20:52
nevertheless I can guarantee you that Hapeol fans are 100% anti-Zionist.
define zionist for me please.
I am not sure you know what it means
F9
14th January 2010, 20:59
Moved
Here you can get your answers Holden.Please dont post again for this in the Hapoel thread.
Pirate Utopian
14th January 2010, 21:07
define zionist for me please.
I am not sure you know what it means
Currently it means a supporter of the development and defense of the State of Israel, and to encourage people to settle there.
But Malte must have some different definition as it seems he doesnt know he's one.
Yehuda Stern
15th January 2010, 13:02
Zionism is by definition the belief that there is a world Jewish people.
Chambered Word
15th January 2010, 13:10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism (Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): ציונות, Tsiyonut) is the international political movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_political_movements) that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people) in the Land of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel) (Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew): Eretz Yisra'el), the historical homeland of the Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews). Since the establishment of the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Israel), the Zionist movement continues primarily to support it.
Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism) linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel), where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era) and the late Second Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple) era (i.e. up to 70 CE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era)).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#cite_note-0) Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora), the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture), largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews) to antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism) across Europe, especially in Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#cite_note-1) The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American activists, such as Louis Brandeis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis), as a solution to this "Jewish problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_problem)" and a way to "revive the Jewish spirit."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#cite_note-Brandeis4-2)
It's just a fancy way of saying 'we've been discriminated against, but because we're Jewish this gives us the right to discriminate against others. And kill them. And take their land. And label them racists when they disagree.'
therockman
15th January 2010, 18:33
Zionism is by definition the belief that there is a world Jewish people.
In contrast to your defintion, I think that Zionism expounds the belief that there should be a homeland for Jewish people. Your statement implies the idea that Zionism endorses a cosmopolitan Jew, or a world Jewish person, which is just anti-Zionist in its very nature.
Yehuda Stern
15th January 2010, 20:00
No, the world Jewish people that Zionists believe is not part of and is indeed alien to other peoples - quite the same as the way anti-Semites view Jews as a whole.
Joe_Germinal
16th January 2010, 21:58
define zionist for me please.
I am not sure you know what it means
I quite like Stalin's definition from Marxism and the National Question:
"Zionism – A reactionary nationalist trend of the Jewish bourgeoisie, which had followers along the intellectuals and the more backward sections of the Jewish workers. The Zionists endeavored to isolate the Jewish working-class masses from the general struggle of the proletariat."
The Zionist movement created this isolation by their demand for a Jewish homeland. As the Jews were not territorially integral, this meant in practice settler colonialism supported first by British then by American imperialism.
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