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Weezer
13th January 2010, 02:00
Arguing with reactionaries on YouTube, I came across this:
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away. We have trade skills we use to enrich ourselves. We work at building these trade skills over many years.
You dont have any trade skills, thus no private property, and no future. You alone are resposible for making things this way. You chose not to learn anything to put to work for yourself. You chose the easy path, and now you have nothing to show for it. feeling angry with me for this is absurd.You arent my kid, not my problem.
I'm at a loss of words, and I'm not sure how to respond to this comment in under 500 characters.
Nolan
13th January 2010, 02:11
Arguing with reactionaries on YouTube, I came across this:
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away. We have trade skills we use to enrich ourselves. We work at building these trade skills over many years.
You dont have any trade skills, thus no private property, and no future. You alone are resposible for making things this way. You chose not to learn anything to put to work for yourself. You chose the easy path, and now you have nothing to show for it. feeling angry with me for this is absurd.You arent my kid, not my problem.
I'm at a loss of words, and I'm not sure how to respond to this comment in under 500 characters.
Ask them why inter-generational transfers account for the vast majority of aggregate US capital formation.
This is ultimately another attempt by a right-wing nutjob to equivalent wealth with effort by by means of crude Pavlovian conditioning.
Drace
13th January 2010, 02:17
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away.
Kings and slave owners worked too. They built on their trade skills to enrich themselves and increase production. :rolleyes:
cb9's_unity
13th January 2010, 02:24
private property=/= trade skills. Even if someone has trade skills they have to sell their labor in order to make a living. To have private property you must own some means of production, when you sell your labor you don't own any means of production.
Whoever your talking to, their concept of private property is bogus.
Demogorgon
13th January 2010, 03:00
Arguing with reactionaries on YouTube, I came across this:
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away. We have trade skills we use to enrich ourselves. We work at building these trade skills over many years.
You dont have any trade skills, thus no private property, and no future. You alone are resposible for making things this way. You chose not to learn anything to put to work for yourself. You chose the easy path, and now you have nothing to show for it. feeling angry with me for this is absurd.You arent my kid, not my problem.
I'm at a loss of words, and I'm not sure how to respond to this comment in under 500 characters.Simply point out that those who work are the ones who are oppressed. Considerable wealth can only come from profiting from the work of others (or of course inheriting or otherwise receiving such profit).
Luisrah
13th January 2010, 16:33
Arguing with reactionaries on YouTube, I came across this:
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away. We have trade skills we use to enrich ourselves. We work at building these trade skills over many years.
You dont have any trade skills, thus no private property, and no future. You alone are resposible for making things this way. You chose not to learn anything to put to work for yourself. You chose the easy path, and now you have nothing to show for it. feeling angry with me for this is absurd.You arent my kid, not my problem.
I'm at a loss of words, and I'm not sure how to respond to this comment in under 500 characters.
I know a great way for doing what you want. It has to be in the real world though.
It doesn't require a word, and it usually makes the other person's nose bleed.
Guerrilla22
13th January 2010, 17:13
I wasn't aware owners actually worked. Anyways it is best not to indulge the cretins on youtube by replying to them. Youtube is a reactionary cesspool.
NecroCommie
13th January 2010, 17:35
I wasn't aware owners actually worked. Anyways it is best not to indulge the cretins on youtube by replying to them. Youtube is a reactionary cesspool.
This.
Youtube commenters are to internet debate, as parasites are to the ecosystem.
But to counter the argument in short, I will write you a pre-written response:
Trade "skills" are as important to society as tax dodging skills... not at all. Why should anyone earn anything just by moving money from one place to another? You can't eat moving money, nor can you use it as a tool. It is not even very beautiful to look at, so why should the society reward someone for it?
He will most propably respond by claiming how money runs economy and is really useful if not necessary. This is easily refuted by giving a link to a wikipedia article about market failures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure). Read the article, for when you will understand the term you will notice more such phenomenon yourself. If you can provide enough market failure examples to a supporter of monetary economy, he will either convert or prove himself an asshole. Marxists should recognize market failures almost everywhere.
Then there is the entire ethics argument. Your opponent argues that you should not receive any goods because you are "weak", as in un-innovative and lazy. Response to this would start "even if I were..." (which you are not, remember to point out), "lazy, I still have value as a human being. To suggest otherwise would be a re-invention of social darwinism, which is why it is needless to point out why no civilized being resorts to such arguments"
ls
13th January 2010, 17:36
I wasn't aware owners actually worked. Anyways it is best not to indulge the cretins on youtube by replying to them. Youtube is a reactionary cesspool.
It's best to completely take their arguments out of context and troll them. Preferably with video responses threatening to burn their families in the back of a cable tv van in Peterborough, ON.
NecroCommie
13th January 2010, 17:50
It's best to completely take their arguments out of context and troll them. Preferably with video responses threatening to burn their families in the back of a cable tv van in Peterborough, ON.
The sad part is that this propably works better than arguing back. You might lose the spectator's trust though.
Pirate turtle the 11th
13th January 2010, 17:53
Arguing with reactionaries on YouTube, I came across this:
You feel oppressed by people who work, thats what blows me away. We have trade skills we use to enrich ourselves. We work at building these trade skills over many years.
You dont have any trade skills, thus no private property, and no future. You alone are resposible for making things this way. You chose not to learn anything to put to work for yourself. You chose the easy path, and now you have nothing to show for it. feeling angry with me for this is absurd.You arent my kid, not my problem.
I'm at a loss of words, and I'm not sure how to respond to this comment in under 500 characters.
Tell him how awesome you are (as in school grades future opertuntiies , lie if needs be) and tell him he's bassicly a suck up submissive loser with no future other then making the wealthy feel good about themselves.
Pirate turtle the 11th
13th January 2010, 17:54
It's best to completely take their arguments out of context and troll them. Preferably with video responses threatening to burn their families in the back of a cable tv van in Peterborough, ON.
Trust me this is how arguments are won.
mikelepore
13th January 2010, 19:07
"You feel oppressed by people who work"
There is always the underlying assumption that members of the capitalist class got there through their own work. Your critics don't even bother to state the assumption explicitly because it is so obviously absurd. Everyone knows that capitalists got there mainly through inheritance.
If you follow a capitalist family tree back through numerous generations, you might eventually reach the ancestor who actually worked hard and saved money -- or, alternately, an ancestor who got wealthy by being a gangster or slave trader, or who had a sequence of good luck. However, through the following generations, the property has been handed down by inheritance.
Your critic knows this, and may try to assert the opposite by pointing to a face on the cover of Forbes or Fortune magazine, with an accompanied rags-to-riches anecdote. However, that cover story is considered newsworthy precisely because it's so unusual. The story of a person who worked hard and actually got rich is in the news because it's a freak story, what journalists call a man-bites-dog story.
Kayser_Soso
13th January 2010, 19:23
It's best to completely take their arguments out of context and troll them. Preferably with video responses threatening to burn their families in the back of a cable tv van in Peterborough, ON.
I would threaten to burn their camp, and take their women and herds.
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