My Freakishness in all its Wonder

[TheCuriousCommunist]

My Beliefs:

I don't hate Fascism. Ouch, might be a shock, but let me go on. Fascism can work. On Paper. Just like Communism. But, Communism\Anarchism is better by far, more peaceful, more food, more rights. Fascism in some states (Sudan, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, China, North Korea.), could bring relative peace, order, and prosperity. Not all Fascist are Nazis, so keep that in mind in the Anti-Fascist subforum. I am a communist though. And I'm proud of being a communist. I'm deeply religious, and Fiercely Anti-Maoist. I despise Mao. That man was Satanic and far worse than Hitler. I recommend that all Maoists read Mao-The Unknown Story, and then tell me what the think of "The Chairman". He was an Evil Man who single handedly destroyed China, and invaded and oppressed Tibet. The Chinese Devil Regime needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, or face up to the crimes against humanity that its committed. As a Buddhist of the Tibetan\Vietnamese traditions I find it appalling the horrible human right abuses committed in Tibet and Vietnam. I don't support any "communist' regime still on this earth, or venerate any of the past ones. They were all giant failures. I look forwards to a time of a Agrarian, Classless, Commune Society dominates america.

[Weezer]

Hi...welcome to our forum, beware of wallmasters. :ninja:

Edit: Another buddhist?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=302

[Holden Caulfield]

Don't fucking give us tips on how to be anti fascists you dolt. You clearly don't even understand what it is. And you are not communist, a socialist, or a revolutionary leftist.

It could just be me but you sound like a garden variety moron, sadly the internet is full of them.

I hope you are ignorant rather than stupid.
Happy posting.
Holden

[khad]

I vote for stupid. If he were a true communist he wouldn't give a shit about feudalist Tibet and instead talk about the revolution betrayed in East Turkestan. Here we go with another religious nationalist.

Kid, no one is going to read your bourgeois garbage.

[Axle]

Welcome.

The insults are unwarranted, but they do have a point. You don't sound like a Communist. Your "Communism works on paper" and "Free Tibet" stuff is giving off a heavy liberal vibe.

You come off as a person who just found out what Communism is, but hasn't grasped it completely.

[Holden Caulfield]

The insults are unwarranted


No they aren't.
Fascism isn't good on paper, as it is built on the corpse of the workers and the workers movement.
stupid or ignorant. and I stand by it

[Axle]

Fascism isn't good on paper, as it is built on the corpse of the workers and the workers movement.

No kidding. No one but the OP was saying that, and I'm not about to defend a pro-facist position of any kind, but flat insulting someone isn't going to help their ignorance...especially when they clearly don't know what fascism is.

[Q]

Welcome and happy restriction .

[Lyev]

I once heard a phrase or a quote or something; "if you don't want to speak out against capitalism then you shouldn't speak out against fascism". Although it appears it's the other around with you, ie. you're not a socialist. Maybe you can go in OI and you can change your views from there. I don' know where you've got your warped idea from, about not hating fascism because it works on paper. Fascism should be always be opposed unconditionally. Oh and welcome :)

[TheCuriousCommunist]

WTF?

I came here to learn about communism, not be insulted. And I do know what Fascism is, because I was a Fascist. You cannot tell a former Fascist that he doesn't know what Fascism is. But anyways, I checked out the opposition and I liked what I saw. I saw that a Classless People ruled society was better than a Fascist society. But there in no way in hell that I'm giving up Tibet, forget it and move on. So, teach me. I want guidance. Tell me why Communism is better than Socialism, Marxism is better than Anarchism, help me choose.

Thanks Axle, and Holden Caulfield can just fuck off with his bigoted self.

[Holden Caulfield]

You cannot tell a former Fascist that he doesn't know what Fascism is.

Yes I can.

If you want to learn coming in and making that your first post isn't the best way to go about it.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings....

[Ravachol]

I came here to learn about communism, not be insulted.


The responses where a bit harsh maybe yes, but you managed to put all stuff that generates pavlov responses here in one post (Ie. 'fascism works on paper', 'tibet lol', 'religion') ;)



And I [B]do know what Fascism is, because I was a Fascist. You cannot tell a former Fascist that he doesn't know what Fascism is.


Well obviously one can. Just like I can and do tell a lot of self-professed Anarchists they don't know what Anarchism is. Just because one claims to adhere or claims to have adhered to a certain ideology doesn't mean they fully understand it, let alone the nature of the ideology.



But there in no way in hell that I'm giving up Tibet, forget it and move on.


'Giving up Tibet' isn't the same as supporting the capitalist regime in China. I, for one, support neither. I support a classless society where workers control the means of production, not a capitalist anti-working class regime like china nor a religious, theocratic feudalist regime like Tibet. Choices aren't limited to two sides you know.

[Tower of Bebel]

Your idealism has nothing to do with communism TCC. You claim North Korea is fascist. Well... no serious communist (whether anarchist, stalinist, Trotskyist or whatever) would define fascism as simply totalitarianism. The liberal school of political science maybe, but not Marxists. This is not a defence of North Korea though, but I doubt whether you really know what fascism is. Maybe you would say you know what it feels like, but such intirely subjective matter wont bring us closer to clarification.

You seem confused. It's like you are looking for values and advantages (like what regime offers the most food?). But communism is not (just) about values. "Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence" (from The German Ideology (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm)). So your agrarian ideal has no place in a communist society that supports the development, the "progressive" accumulation of technology, knowledge, etc. Humanity needs to move on in order to leave behind the past of slavery (whether on the land, in the workforce or in the mind). The bread and buter argument only comes second to the self-development of humanity as a whole (not that of a tiny ruling clique).

[Lenin II]

I demand you change your tagline now.


This man is not, nor has he ever been, a member of the American Party of Labor. He is a reactionary opportunist.

1) "Mao: the Unknown Story" is a pile of bullshit like Conquest's writings. Whatever disagreements we have with Mao, he is most certainly not a fascist and was not worse than Hitler. Hitler occupied all of Europe, gassed millions of people and started a war that killed 56,000,000 people, including tens of millions of Soviets and many Albanians as well.

2) North Korea is also not fascist. It is Jucheist. This statement alone proves he is not an APL member.

For the APL position, look here:
http://theredphoenix.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/the-democratic-peoples-republic-of-korea-deserves-self-determination-and-nuclear-technology/

3) If anyone "oppressed" Tibet it was the goddamn Dalai Lama, a feudal slave owner who PERSONALLY owned thousands of slaves.

For the APL position on Tibet, read this:

http://michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Notice the APL provides a link to this work on its main website. This, again, proves this man is not a member.

[Ismail]

As Lenin II noted, China and the DPRK are revisionist and state-capitalist countries (China was revisionist & state-capitalist under Mao), but this does not mean they were/are "fascists" or whatever.

[Comrade Corwin]

Though I am against hot-headed attacks, I do have to say that your opening statements were made in a fashion that resembles provokation. I must agree with Curious that facism looks good on paper. Think about it, comrades. All ideologies were written and followed by people who thought they were adhering to a political system that would create a better world. Does not mean that fascism is a truly viable theory in this modern era, but you must understand why people follow even the most harmful ideologies so that we may save them or combat them.

Tibet is a sad story, but not because of the invasion. The enforced feudalism instituted by their theocratic heirarchy has set them ages behind the rest of the world. Their medical knowledge, technological advancement and philosophical comprehension has been practically halted. I am a large supporter of progress and the belief that one's ancestors should not trap their children into a lifestyle against their choice, especially when the enforced ideology defies progress. Their forced feudalistic ways have prevented their children from learning about the world and lessened their lifespan and so I hope that the Chinese occupation will finally put an end to that.

I welcome you, but please try to keep your eyes, ears and mind open. There are many reasons why there are some negative stigmas in this forum and many are well placed. Maybe you'll come to understand us better and we will meet you in the middle.

[Q]

Though I am against hot-headed attacks, I do have to say that your opening statements were made in a fashion that resembles provokation. I must agree with Curious that facism looks good on paper. Think about it, comrades. All ideologies were written and followed by people who thought they were adhering to a political system that would create a better world. Does not mean that fascism is a truly viable theory in this modern era, but you must understand why people follow even the most harmful ideologies so that we may save them or combat them.
Please enlighten us...

[Tower of Bebel]

Fascism on paper - by that I mean simply its ideolog(y/ies) - is a very confusing set of norms, principles, habits, values, etc. It's hard to argue that it looks "good on paper". There's not one homogenus ideology involved, and if there was one some ideas would be repulsive to us. Rather, some common values are nice (like fraternity based on the concept of "nation"). But then again, is there an ideology without beautiful ideas?

[Comrade Corwin]

What do you mean? You really want me to have to explain why people are drawn to utopian ideologies, Q? That seems unnecessary, but oh well...

The fascist ideology is one that places all power in one leader who can quickly and easily implements policy to the benefit of the people without the halting disagreement of an empowered congress or parliament. In this way, especially as believed by the fascist parties of the 30's, there would also be little to no class divides as the only power structure is the single benevolent leader at the top and then everyone else, which drew many poor workers to fascism. However, what many people believe is that fascism involves some sort of race theory, but that is a misconception as that was implemented by the Germans as a belief superior Aryan had been circulated around the Germanic nations for many decades previous and adopted by the Nazi party, as the first of few, and loved by those who fit the Aryan characteristics. However, though there might not be a race theory attached to fascism itself, there has always been implemented an extreme form of nationalism which draws in those of the target country when inspiring much needed esteem through national pride. There are many reasons why people have been drawn to fascism and they are not all Nazis, but I don't feel like I need to explain this here and I am in no way a supporter of the ideology.

For goodness sakes, don't censor me for putting forth an argument contrary to your beliefs. It is sad that I need fear censorship when I am supposed to be amongst comrades, but history has taught me to fear those in power in these sorts of forums. I suppose there is nothing I can do, but wait for the reactions to my statements.

[Q]

I'm not out to censor you, but when someone says that "fascism looks good on paper" I do wonder what they've smoked.

I still don't really see what's so great about fascism "on paper" though, from the point of view of a leftist. Although I'm aware of some tendencies on the left that have a similar fetish for "great leaders".

[scarletghoul]

This is the best intro post ever. Textbook reactionary liberalism, pushing it to the limits.

[革命者]

It is good for highly sensitive Trotskyists and anti-fascists/"anarchists" to get their rhetoric out.

[Dimentio]

My Beliefs:

I don't hate Fascism. Ouch, might be a shock, but let me go on. Fascism can work. On Paper. Just like Communism. But, Communism\Anarchism is better by far, more peaceful, more food, more rights. Fascism in some states (Sudan, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, China, North Korea.), could bring relative peace, order, and prosperity. Not all Fascist are Nazis, so keep that in mind in the Anti-Fascist subforum. I am a communist though. And I'm proud of being a communist. I'm deeply religious, and Fiercely Anti-Maoist. I despise Mao. That man was Satanic and far worse than Hitler. I recommend that all Maoists read Mao-The Unknown Story, and then tell me what the think of "The Chairman". He was an Evil Man who single handedly destroyed China, and invaded and oppressed Tibet. The Chinese Devil Regime needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, or face up to the crimes against humanity that its committed. As a Buddhist of the Tibetan\Vietnamese traditions I find it appalling the horrible human right abuses committed in Tibet and Vietnam. I don't support any "communist' regime still on this earth, or venerate any of the past ones. They were all giant failures. I look forwards to a time of a Agrarian, Classless, Commune Society dominates america.


North Korea, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, China are not fascist nations per definition, though some of them have similarities with fascism. Authoritarianism is not the same thing as fascism, even though Americans like to treat it that way (if it swims it is a fish, if it flies it is a bird).