pretty fucking awesome darwin quote

[bricolage]

"As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races."
-- Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

[Chambered Word]

BUT HE'S A FASCIST!

Show creationists this quote whenever they give you the line about Darwin being a racist liberal Hitler. :laugh:

[Hiero]

It is quite outdated and not that awesome.

Here Darwin is promoting nations and races as concrete things that exist with material differences. When the more progressive line is to seem as imaginary based on a material basis (class/economics). We promote NOT showing sympathis and NOT extending social instincts to all people of ones nation, rather we promote class instinct and sympathies only within ones class in a struggle against bourgeiosie.

That quote can go either ways. Show it to a fascist and they will simple say "Darwin didn't live to see the 20th centaury.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

It is quite outdated and not that awesome.

Here Darwin is promoting nations and races as concrete things that exist with material differences. When the more progressive line is to seem as imaginary based on a material basis (class/economics). We promote NOT showing sympathis and NOT extending social instincts to all people of ones nation, rather we promote class instinct and sympathies only within ones class in a struggle against bourgeiosie.

That quote can go either ways. Show it to a fascist and they will simple say "Darwin didn't live to see the 20th centaury.

Can we cut the nunnary its a good fucking quote that would be useful if better known. Do you really think charlse fucking dawin is going to promote class struggle? At least this quote takes a giant shit on patrotism and thats something to be happy about.

[bcbm]

We promote NOT showing sympathis and NOT extending social instincts to all people of ones nation, rather we promote class instinct and sympathies only within ones class in a struggle against bourgeiosie.

"The necessity for communism is a necessity which extends to all people."

[Hiero]

Can we cut the nunnary its a good fucking quote that would be useful if better known. Do you really think charlse fucking dawin is going to promote class struggle? At least this quote takes a giant shit on patrotism and thats something to be happy about.


We should be critics of history and ideas.

I don't expect Darwin to promote class struggle, that is why I promote Marx and Engels in regards to how humans should envisage society.


"The necessity for communism is a necessity which extends to all people."
That quote could not have been more misplaced. The epoch of capitalism is one of class struggle like the epochs before it.

That quote refers to humanity in it's totality, communism as a neccassary end to the history of humanity and then it's true begining.

You have reduced a quote taken from the theory of historical materialism and reduced it to some pointless liberal humanistic crap.

[bcbm]

That quote could not have been more misplaced. The epoch of capitalism is one of class struggle like the epochs before it.

That quote refers to humanity in it's totality, communism as a neccassary end to the history of humanity and then it's true begining.

You have reduced a quote taken from the theory of historical materialism and reduced it to some pointless liberal humanistic crap.

i don't think you understand the origin of the quote at all. its from jacques camatte, who argues that capitalism has developed to the point where the principle contradiction today is between capital and humanity and that our task is to reassert our humanity through the destruction of capital.

"We must recognize that the crushing domination of capital affects everyone without exception. Particular groupings cannot be designated as "the elect", exempt from and unmarked by capital's despotism. The revolutionary struggle is a human struggle, and it must recognize in every person the possibility of humanity."

[Hiero]

The full quote makes it sound more liberal and humanistic. How does the crushing domination of capital affect everyone, including the bourgeioise. If by crushing they mean decedant, then that makes sense.

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

It is quite outdated and not that awesome.

It is not outdated - it is very relevant. He's describing how the human race is progressing through history and the journey people are making from being part of tribes to being part of an international society. There are a lot of people who need to pay attention to what he's saying.


Here Darwin is promoting nations and races as concrete things that exist with material differences. When the more progressive line is to seem as imaginary based on a material basis (class/economics). We promote NOT showing sympathis and NOT extending social instincts to all people of ones nation, rather we promote class instinct and sympathies only within ones class in a struggle against bourgeiosie.

Well at the moment they do exist with material differences because that is how they've been constructed. As it's been said, Charles Darwin did not promote the class struggle, but that doesn't mean his opinion is automatically worthless. And in a communist society there wouldn't even be a bourgeoisie - there would be a classless society and those who used to be bourgeoisie would then be just the same as everyone else.


I don't expect Darwin to promote class struggle, that is why I promote Marx and Engels in regards to how humans should envisage society.

Marx and Engels had great visions for how society should be, yes. But you can't just dismiss geniuses who also had great visions just because they weren't communists. Everyone has had some important and true thoughts to contribute.

[bcbm]

The full quote makes it sound more liberal and humanistic. How does the crushing domination of capital affect everyone, including the bourgeioise. If by crushing they mean decedant, then that makes sense.

capitalism impacts all of our human relationships, alienating us from each other and standing in the way of true human community. as communists we're opposed to capitalism as a form of organization, not the individuals who make it up. we're all the product of the material conditions around us.

[Hiero]

capitalism impacts all of our human relationships, QUOTE]

True.

[QUOTE]alienating us from each other and standing in the way of true human community.

This is true, but so what? This is what I don't like about humanistic Marxism, it is almost religious epic. The bourgeoisie and middle classes are alienated, but they are have a great time in their alienated little lifes. Sure they may have depression and symptons form this alienation, but they are living one hell of a life.



we're all the product of the material conditions around us.[/


So?

If you keep going I can only see this humanistic Marxism become religious.

[bcbm]

what do you mean "religious?"

[Dean]

This is true, but so what? This is what I don't like about humanistic Marxism, it is almost religious epic. The bourgeoisie and middle classes are alienated, but they are have a great time in their alienated little lifes. Sure they may have depression and symptons form this alienation, but they are living one hell of a life.

This is your defense? That capitalists live a "hell of a life" and subsequently communists should dehumanize them?

Communism is about destroying the social organization that suppresses the working class. Not about attacking humans.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Did Marx actually write to Darwin and request the a dedication to Darwin for one of his books? Or is this a myth?

[ZeroNowhere]

That is a myth.