What would you do if this were your child?

[The Red Next Door]

This kid is unbelieveble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUzzCpHKYb8&feature=related

[jake williams]

Buy the kid a fucking chalupa?

[NecroCommie]

Slap him across the face! :rolleyes: Or at least NOT buy him a lufa or whatever. Such begaviour should not be rewarded.

[Le Libérer]

First of alll children learn by example. I see quips on SU on how rotten kids as if it is their fault. The responsibilty is on the parents.

I bet if his mother took away his xbox very time he acted out, and was consistant in laying down boundaries, he would be treated with the respect he seems to think he deserves.

[jake williams]

First of alll children learn by example. I see quips on SU on how rotten kids as if it is their fault. The responsibilty is on the parents.

I bet if his mother took away his xbox very time he acted out, and was consist in laying down boundaries, he would be treated with the respect he seems to think he deserves.
I don't blame the kid or the parents. A central preoccupation of modern psychology is how to indoctrinate children to "nag" for consumer products. I don't understand how even on the left a dichotomy of bad kids vs. bad parents predominates.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Sorry but there are some god damn awful parents out there.

[IrishWorker]

Buy the kid a football.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Personally if I was super nannying this mofo I would take his x box away and beat the parents to death with it remedying the situation.

[The Red Next Door]

Personally if I was super nannying this mofo I would take his x box away and beat the parents to death with it remedying the situation.
Oh no don't do that, beat him to death with it.

[The Red Next Door]

also there would be more.

[Le Libérer]

I don't blame the kid or the parents. A central preoccupation of modern psychology is how to indoctrinate children to "nag" for consumer products. I don't understand how even on the left a dichotomy of bad kids vs. bad parents predominates.
Bad parenting, sexual abuse, child abuse, etc is handed down through generations. Children are taught certain habits. That cycle has to be broken and replaced with new habits, which isnt easy to do. Consumerism, is just a tool of neglect and to replace parenting.

[Le Libérer]

Moved to science and enviroment forum because of the sociology and psychology aspects of the thread.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

It's definitely the fault of the parents here. I didn't listen to it all, but it doesn't seem that bad of a tantrum to me.

Really, parents need to treat their children like human beings. They want sweets? Get out a book on tooth decay. They want McDonald's, get out a book on heart disease. I mean kids aren't as stupid as you think.

Want the kid to stop screaming? Leave. Try ignoring it. I mean come on. A simple parenting book could've avoided this situation years ago.

You spend 8 hours a day working on your job. You keep up to date on current things related to the job. You can't keep up to date on raising your child?

For the people joking about violence. That's the worse thing you could do. I was a really spoiled kid growing up, though I also had medical issues. Parents think they can control kids with force. You've got to be kidding me. Maybe if you start it early (it's still not right) or you have a stupid kid.

[Sean]

Bad parenting, sexual abuse, child abuse, etc is handed down through generations. Children are taught certain habits. That cycle has to be broken and replaced with new habits, which isnt easy to do. Consumerism, is just a tool of neglect and to replace parenting.
I feel thats a little off hand. For poor kids, its an act of desperation to be able to keep up with other kids.

I'd always like to find that first kid in every class that makes the others follow suit about having shit = awesome and beat his parents to death. I must say though, that when I was 5, I was the kid that told everyone else there was no santa claus.

[FreeFocus]

These videos always make me LOL..

[whore]

i didn't watch the vid. i just wanted to say that violence, either against the child, or the parents, is not the fucking answer!
let me say that again, violence is not the answer. education, support, rational logical argument and so on.

all of those for the child, and all for the parents.

the parents need support rasing their child, perhaps less time at work, more time at home. maybe the kid needs to socialise more.

anyway, violence is never the answer in cases of bad parenting. either against the parent or child.

[Hiero]

Really, parents need to treat their children like human beings. They want sweets? Get out a book on tooth decay. They want McDonald's, get out a book on heart disease. I mean kids aren't as stupid as you think.

This doesn't work for adults it wont always work for children. Adults have the ability to go "yeah but fuck it" children often do this more often.

[piet11111]

this is nobody's fault the kid was not raised properly and the parents could not raise him because they have to work.

and outside of the kids home he would be on his own open to all sorts of bad influences.

if anything its a miracle we do not end up with more kids like this one seeing how capitalism is breaking up our society.

[jake williams]

this is nobody's fault the kid was not raised properly and the parents could not raise him because they have to work.

and outside of the kids home he would be on his own open to all sorts of bad influences.

if anything its a miracle we do not end up with more kids like this one seeing how capitalism is breaking up our society.
What I don't understand is how good sophisticated leftists regress so profoundly when it comes to youth and parenting. I hate to be that harsh, I'm really not interested in being antagonistic. But it seems like when we start talking about kids all our most basic principles go out the window - of not making ignorant and insulting generalizing comments about groups of people, about not laying the burden of personal problems on dissociated invidual responsiblity, etc. The things that leftists today say about children and their parents are exactly the things they said in exactly the same tone (even the same language!) about women and their husbands. In this case, that women misbehaving are the consequence of husbands being insufficiently disciplinary. It's not remotely okay to say about women, and it's neither okay to say about children - for the same reasons.

[piet11111]

What I don't understand is how good sophisticated leftists regress so profoundly when it comes to youth and parenting. I hate to be that harsh, I'm really not interested in being antagonistic. But it seems like when we start talking about kids all our most basic principles go out the window - of not making ignorant and insulting generalizing comments about groups of people, about not laying the burden of personal problems on dissociated invidual responsiblity, etc. The things that leftists today say about children and their parents are exactly the things they said in exactly the same tone (even the same language!) about women and their husbands. In this case, that women misbehaving are the consequence of husbands being insufficiently disciplinary. It's not remotely okay to say about women, and it's neither okay to say about children - for the same reasons.

so this is perfectly normal behavior for a kid to act this way towards his mother :confused:

the way i see it the parents could not teach him normal social behavior and protect him from the effects from aggressive advertising and peer pressure.
its clearly not the kids fault and neither is it the fault of the parents because who still has time to be there 24/7 for your child these days anymore.

sure blaming work might seem like a poor cop-out but its clearly a factor of why parents have less time for their children.

or do you dispute that behavior is shaped by what children are taught ?

[jake williams]

so this is perfectly normal behavior for a kid to act this way towards his mother :confused:
It might be "normal" but it's not really healthy or right.


the way i see it the parents could not teach him normal social behavior and protect him from the effects from aggressive advertising and peer pressure.
its clearly not the kids fault and neither is it the fault of the parents because who still has time to be there 24/7 for your child these days anymore.

sure blaming work might seem like a poor cop-out but its clearly a factor of why parents have less time for their children.

or do you dispute that behavior is shaped by what children are taught ?
I don't really disagree with you.

[The Red Next Door]

If i were the boy parent i would shove that chulpa up his fat ass.

[jake williams]

If i were the boy parent i would shove that chulpa up his fat ass.
See! Like that's not okay! And at best it would be messy. After this I googled "chalupa". I don't know how I'd eat one, never mind stuff it up someone's ass.

[bcbm]

why is this in sciences and environment?

[Le Libérer]

I feel thats a little off hand. For poor kids, its an act of desperation to be able to keep up with other kids.

I'd always like to find that first kid in every class that makes the others follow suit about having shit = awesome and beat his parents to death. I must say though, that when I was 5, I was the kid that told everyone else there was no santa claus.
Good parenting has nothing to do with whether you are poor or not. Good parenting has everything to do with love and respect, which is clearly missing in this senario. The kid who is demanding and cursing his parent obviously hasnt received much of either or he wouldnt speak to his mom like he did.

I bet his mother never once has sat down next to him, asked him if she could play or how the game he is playing worked or encouraged him in things he showed an interest in. Kids act out in various ways when neglected. Some over eat, some are completely unsocialized (like this kid) Some becomes depressed, etc.

sure blaming work might seem like a poor cop-out but its clearly a factor of why parents have less time for their children.When parents are away working, kids are usually in school, so they wont be together that much anyway. It doesnt take a whole lot of time to show love and respect, when you approach any one with either, you usually get it in return whether they are your child or not.

[NecroCommie]

Regardless the correct and incorrect raising methods, some people on this thread need to learn that children do not work the same way adults do. That's called growing up. It's commonly known fact in psychology that children even cannot understand more complex abstract things until they are over 11-12 years old. We also need to recognize that reasoning does not work if the child/teenager is in an age of defiance, which there are four on a normal kid. These tantrums rarely have anything to do with reason or with the kid wanting something, but rather about the kid testing out his authority and trying to find his place in "tribe hierarchy".

This all is from my psychology lesson a few days ago. And I agree to a great extenct.

[piet11111]

that reminds me about my niece when she was 3-4 and i was babysitting she woke up and started crying and screaming for mommy.
i talked with her and asked why she was crying of course she gave the reply "i want my mommy"

i said to her that if she would stop crying for a while i would be able to call her mommy and so she stopped crying.
then i said mommy was under way and i started to have some chit chat with her and when mommy was home i quietly said that if she wanted to cry again that it would be OK but she did not need to anymore.
needless to say she was not a problem after having a drink and some time downstairs she went to bed and slept the entire night.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Good parenting has nothing to do with whether you are poor or not. Good parenting has everything to do with love and respect, which is clearly missing in this senario. The kid who is demanding and cursing his parent obviously hasnt received much of either or he wouldnt speak to his mom like he did.

I bet his mother never once has sat down next to him, asked him if she could play or how the game he is playing worked or encouraged him in things he showed an interest in. Kids act out in various ways when neglected. Some over eat, some are completely unsocialized (like this kid) Some becomes depressed, etc.
When parents are away working, kids are usually in school, so they wont be together that much anyway. It doesnt take a whole lot of time to show love and respect, when you approach any one with either, you usually get it in return whether they are your child or not.

Okay, that sounds good, but I wonder what the kid's response would be too extra love and attention? Surely its possible that he could learn that responding to love from his parents postively will yield positive results, but that doesn't necessarily teach him to behave in the right way, just to manipulate his parents so he gets more of what he wants.

This stuff confuses the hell out of me

[Invincible Summer]

If i were the boy parent i would shove that chulpa up his fat ass.

Why do you continue to make posts like this?




Anyways, I think that maybe such behaviour on the part of the child is a symptom of consumer-capitalism, targeted at children. I don't know the SES of the child and his family, but studies have shown that higher SES families tend to spend more time together, and thus the parents can socialize their children more (whether this is good or not is up to debate); lower SES families tend to see their children being socialized by TV and friends.

So maybe the whole "instant gratification" and conspicuous consumption aspect of consumer culture that socializes children nowadays can have serious affects on how they interact with others, especially those whose societal role is to provide for them.

[Le Libérer]

Okay, that sounds good, but I wonder what the kid's response would be too extra love and attention? Surely its possible that he could learn that responding to love from his parents postively will yield positive results, but that doesn't necessarily teach him to behave in the right way, just to manipulate his parents so he gets more of what he wants.

This stuff confuses the hell out of me
You can never love a child too much, thats differently than spoiling a child with material needs. Part of teaching children respect is being consistent, thats the hard part. Its hard to be there everytime a kid needs guidance. Part of respecting a child is not to punish while you are angry, and the punishment should fit the crime/mistake. The last part is you have to talk to them, let them ask questions and verse versa, just like you would if you go to a friend and talk about something troubling the 2 of you.

Its not easy being a parent, it can be very overwhelming, its the hardest thing I ever did.

[Dr Mindbender]

I love the way people feel comfortable about airing their dirty laundry on x box live.

it almost makes me want an x box just so i can get in on the drama. :lol: