Possibility of an American Communist Revolution?

[AK]

Who here doubts the possibility that the current American working class would actively support and participate in a communist revolution in the next few years? I know I do. With the US being the world's richest country, it would seem necessary that it would be the first to fall to Socialism. Unfortunately, decades of anti-Communist propaganda has created a hatred for Communism, which is being taught to the children of the working class as if it were some important value. Combine this with the majority nationalistic, conservative, racist (they're getting some more Nazis, too, I believe) and anti-immigrant sentiment of the American proletariat and the huge waves of Bourgeoise propaganda promoting the supposed freedom and democracy in America and it's support for the wars in the Middle East that it is subjected to and we get the worst conditions possible to overthrow Capitalism in.

[Revy]

The US as the world's richest country, does not need to rise to socialism (I wouldn't say "fall to socialism", myself) first. What should happen is a first world country, literally any country in the first world. Even that would provide a great foothold for the movement in the world.

Do you think that revolution emerges under education provided by the ruling hegemony? Revolution emerges through the education done by the politically advanced working class.

I think the American left is in a bad condition. There are countries in which the far-left is quite notable but in America the socialist parties and organizations are not even a blip on the radar.

Before we can even talk about revolution, there should be some build-up, some actions to inspire and give strength to the movement. I'm not implying terroristic violence by "actions", I'm implying things like strikes and workplace occupations, as well as demonstrations, speeches. This is really the place where the struggle breathes.

Many think that if you organize a party, give it a paper, a website and various locals can be said to be engaging in a struggle. Not so. So many idolize the concept of the grandiose "party" but the issue is that the party is only a vehicle not the instrument. A party is only the collective voice of the people within it.

I voted Yes, btw.

[AK]

The US as the world's richest country, does not need to rise to socialism (I wouldn't say "fall to socialism", myself) first. What should happen is a first world country, literally any country in the first world. Even that would provide a great foothold for the movement in the world

The richest country falling (as in the current American state falling) to socialism would inspire revolutionaries in other countries.


Do you think that revolution emerges under education provided by the ruling hegemony? Revolution emerges through the education done by the politically advanced working class.

I wouldn't call conservatism advanced as such.


I voted Yes, btw.

I figured. I voted yes cos I didn't understand my own question. I switched the first sentence of my post and the poll question around...

[Bud Struggle]

We already had it. We voted in Obama. :ohmy:

(I think that's as close as we are going to get for a loooooong time.)

[AK]

We already had it. We voted in Obama. :ohmy:

(I think that's as close as we are going to get for a loooooong time.)
Congratulations, you voted in a half-black capitalist.

[Bud Struggle]

Congratulations, you voted in a half-black capitalist.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But a good portion of America DOES view Obama as some sort of a Socialist (not that he actually is.)

[AK]

I'm not disagreeing with you. But a good portion of America DOES view Obama as some sort of a Socialist (not that he actually is.)
He has been slightly nicer to Americans than other presidents. And I believe the correct term is an Obamunist >.<

[Bud Struggle]

Latest Gallup Poll survey:

Americans Grow More Conservative and a Little Less Democratic

Forty percent described themselves as conservatives last year, compared to 36 percent who said they were moderates and 21 percent who called themselves liberals. In 2008, conservatives and moderates were tied at 37 percent each, with liberals at 22 percent. Between 1992 and 2002, moderates reigned as the largest ideological group.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/07/americans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl5|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2 010%2F01%2F07%2Famericans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic%2F

Well there you go! :rolleyes:

[AK]

Latest Gallup Poll survey:

Americans Grow More Conservative and a Little Less Democratic

Forty percent described themselves as conservatives last year, compared to 36 percent who said they were moderates and 21 percent who called themselves liberals. In 2008, conservatives and moderates were tied at 37 percent each, with liberals at 22 percent. Between 1992 and 2002, moderates reigned as the largest ideological group.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/07/americans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl5|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2 010%2F01%2F07%2Famericans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic%2F (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/07/americans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-w%7Cdl5%7Clink7%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.c om%2F2010%2F01%2F07%2Famericans-grow-more-conservative-and-a-little-less-democratic%2F)

Well there you go! :rolleyes:
That's probably a result of all the anti-Obama sentiment. And oh look my 100th post :lol:.

[RedScare]

I think at the moment any sort of unrest in the near immediate future would be linked to the Tea Party and white supremacist movements. The lower and middle classes in this country seem to be more sympathetic to them, at least outside large urban centers. Within large urban centers, there is still great hope in Obama, so there is not much revolutionary fervor there either.

[Sasha]

on this moment: as much chance as an snowball in hell

[Revy]

I figured. I voted yes cos I didn't understand my own question. I switched the first sentence of my post and the poll question around...

I guess I voted too quickly. I voted in response to the question presented (Would the American proletariat support a communist revolution?).

"Not yet" might have been a better answer, if the question actually mentioned the element of time. (I don't mean that to be rude, I'm just agreeing about your comments on your own question).

[Chambered Word]

He has been slightly nicer to Americans than other presidents. And I believe the correct term is an Obamunist >.<

I thought he was a Commie Czar? :laugh:

Seriously though, a revolution is not yet possible in the USA, however given time it may become an option.

With far-right conservatism flaring up as it is and turning America into one raging clusterfuck, literally anyone to the left of George W. Bush is thought to be a communist sympathiser (which couldn't be further from the truth).

We'll probably be waiting a while at any rate.

[Green Dragon]

Congratulations, you voted in a half-black capitalist.

"half-black?" What was that concern expressed about OTHER people's bigotry again?

[Green Dragon]

Who here doubts the possibility that the current American working class would actively support and participate in a communist revolution in the next few years? I know I do. With the US being the world's richest country, it would seem necessary that it would be the first to fall to Socialism. Unfortunately, decades of anti-Communist propaganda has created a hatred for Communism, which is being taught to the children of the working class as if it were some important value. Combine this with the majority nationalistic, conservative, racist (they're getting some more Nazis, too, I believe) and anti-immigrant sentiment of the American proletariat and the huge waves of Bourgeoise propaganda promoting the supposed freedom and democracy in America and it's support for the wars in the Middle East that it is subjected to and we get the worst conditions possible to overthrow Capitalism in.

In other words, Marx is repudiated, but it is due to some sort of conspiracy, not because Karl was wrong.

[Nolan]

In other words, Marx is repudiated, but it is due to some sort of conspiracy, not because Karl was wrong.

Are you denying that high school history classes shove anti-godless-commie propaganda down students throats? Calling something a "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" seems to have become an easy, thoughtless way to dismiss something you find politically inconvenient. In your case, the fact that Marxism has never been treated fairly in the US.

[The Red Next Door]

I voted no because Americans would prefer to live in lalala land and apolitical.

[AK]

"half-black?" What was that concern expressed about OTHER people's bigotry again?
I mean, the American media was like orgasming because this would somehow lead to equality for blacks and his African ancestry did nothing because thats only on one side.