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dar8888

8th January 2010, 03:58

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8th January 2010, 07:55

Get a picture of it!

Reminds me of a gift I got while in Germany a year or so ago. My host family knew I was a communist and so they gave me all 3 volumes of Das Kapital in German. I looked through it and found that it was published back in the 80's in East Germany by the Institute for Marxist-Leninist studies.

P. baller.

NecroCommie

8th January 2010, 15:42

I have one too ---> http://www.lenin.fi/uusi/uk/index.htm (the link doesn't work well, you still have to press "shop" on that page.)

dar8888

8th January 2010, 16:54

Get a picture of it!

This is it
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/3/9/2/0/0/webimg/331548779_tp.jpg

Glenn Beck

8th January 2010, 17:54

I got a free poster of Lenin with a bunch of Russian writing on it for volunteering at some lefty booksale, as well as donating a bunch of my old books to help raise funds. Nobody wanted it, they were all a bunch of smelly anarchos anyways, and the customers were mostly liberals. It was printed in 1987, the year of my birth, I think it says Moscow on the corner with the publication details (looks like MOCKBA in the latin alphabet).

I think it's pretty cool, and yeah it's inspiring and the only piece of leftist memorabilia I own. Here it is hanging over my desk right now.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7219/photo0041t.jpg

Anyone who reads Russian feel free to explain to me what the hell it says, I'd love to know :lol:

Rjevan

8th January 2010, 18:32

This is it
Man, I'd like to have one, too, you know, for my daily "cult of personality" worshipping. :(

I looked through it and found that it was published back in the 80's in East Germany by the Institute for Marxist-Leninist studies.
Haha, yes, "Bücherei des Marxismus-Leninismus, Berlin, Dietz Verlag 'Printed in the German Democratic Republic' ", right? I hunt those books for this series have published the broadest range of communist texts in Germany and are the only way you get some texts today. Welcome to the club! :D

I think it says Moscow on the corner with the publication details (looks like MOCKBA in the latin alphabet).
Yes, that's "Moskva", pronounced as "Maskva".

The text on the poster says "Nado IDIT VPERED. Nado c energyey, c edinstvom voly PODINMATSY VYSHE." which means "It is necessary TO GO FORWARD. It is necessary TO RISE UP with power, with united will (literally: It is necessary with energy, with united will to rise above)." - yes, it definitely is cool! ;)

Kayser_Soso

8th January 2010, 22:37

I recently received a beautiful bust of Lenin, made in the U.S.S.R. in 1969.

It seems to me that images of Lenin were crafted in two forms: the semi-scowling, arched-eyebrowed, grim, and determined Lenin. And the serene Lenin looking off towards a Socialist future paradise.

I have to admit that it inspires me to wake in the morning and see, before anything else, Lenin contemplating the future.

Above all, it saddens me to imagine how many such busts lay mouldering in some Russian junkyard.

Actually many of these busts, assuming we are speaking of smaller ones, tend to end up in souvenir markets. That being said, it is better that they wind up in the hands of left-wingers than jackass tourists who just come here to hunt for women(don't worry, they usually fail with hilarious results).

dar8888

9th January 2010, 00:13

Actually many of these busts, assuming we are speaking of smaller ones, tend to end up in souvenir markets. That being said, it is better that they wind up in the hands of left-wingers than jackass tourists who just come here to hunt for women(don't worry, they usually fail with hilarious results).

I'm glad to hear that!:)

Tyrlop

10th January 2010, 17:15

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/294/a2089261175190742bg6.jpg
what will happend when Lenin returns from the past, and steps into the future?
What will the world be like? how is Lenin going to save it?

nenad krickovich

16th January 2010, 21:37

Very nice bust!

Kayser_Soso

17th January 2010, 16:11

*Viva La Revolucion*

17th January 2010, 20:57

I never thought I'd say this but...nice bust. :lol:

Man, I'd like to have one, too, you know, for my daily "cult of personality" worshipping.

I once had a dream where I went into the kitchen and he was sitting at the table eating Cheerios. I gave him a hug. Weird dream - wonder what Freud would have made of it?

Kayser_Soso

17th January 2010, 21:01

I never thought I'd say this but...nice bust. :lol:

I once had a dream where I went into the kitchen and he was sitting at the table eating Cheerios. I gave him a hug. Weird dream - wonder what Freud would have made of it?

Cheerios you say?

*Viva La Revolucion*

18th January 2010, 13:15

Cheerios you say?

It could've been Coco Pops...

Jimmie Higgins

18th January 2010, 13:23

When I read the title of this thread, I imagined the cops raiding a warehouse where the make bootleg Lenins. Then I imagined the cops breaking in the door and all these Lenins jumping out the windows, running out the back doors, and scattering to find hiding places.

But that's what I get from interpreting everything I read by thinking... how would Monty Python represent this?

Tyrlop

18th January 2010, 14:52

If that bust is in Russia, it appears to be the bust of Mayakovsky.
True but i don't think thats him, i got the picture from some heavy metal blog i was searching for something on google images and i got this wierd picture.
Anyways i've never seen mayakovsky being portrayed as a bald man, most social-realistic art after he died he got hair. Like he was some romantic revolutionary poet. I personally best like him bald.

Comrade Anarchist

21st January 2010, 00:54

hero worship of despot

LOLseph Stalin

21st January 2010, 01:48

hero worship of despot

:rolleyes:...

Black Sheep

22nd January 2010, 05:20

Doesnt matter if he was a despot or not.
The hero worship thing itself is ridiculous.

And the fact that it's a bust. Get a poster or something, ok.
But a bust? :cursing:

dar8888

27th January 2010, 00:49

Doesnt matter if he was a despot or not.
The hero worship thing itself is ridiculous.

And the fact that it's a bust. Get a poster or something, ok.
But a bust? :cursing:

Why is a poster ok, but a bust is not? That is the most incredibly elitist thing I've ever heard.

As for Lenin being a despot - he only lived for 6 years after the victory in Russia. The first years were spent fighting civil and world wars. He survived an assassination attempt that left him a near invalid early on, and he suffered numerous strokes towards the end. Not much time to be a despot.

It is also clear that his voice was largely ignored at the end - he practically begged them not to give power to Stalin, and they did anyway. How many despots are ignored by their own government?

Kayser_Soso

27th January 2010, 06:18

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It is also clear that his voice was largely ignored at the end - he practically begged them not to give power to Stalin, and they did anyway. How many despots are ignored by their own government?

The party was organized according to democratic centralism, not the will of one man, and besides the "Lenin's testament" claim is bunk anyway. One could also make the same argument about Stalin, who also saw his ideas ignored throughout his entire tenure from time to time.

dar8888

27th January 2010, 07:02

The party was organized according to democratic centralism, not the will of one man, and besides the "Lenin's testament" claim is bunk anyway. One could also make the same argument about Stalin, who also saw his ideas ignored throughout his entire tenure from time to time.

I'm not knocking Stalin, I'm simply pointing out that Lenin was not a despot - as has been suggested. If you'd read the earlier posts, you might have been aware of that.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that "Lenin's Testament" is bunk - especially since he made similar statements (about Stalin) in other writings. Are they all "bunk"?

Kayser_Soso

27th January 2010, 09:05

I'm not knocking Stalin, I'm simply pointing out that Lenin was not a despot - as has been suggested. If you'd read the earlier posts, you might have been aware of that.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that "Lenin's Testament" is bunk - especially since he made similar statements (about Stalin) in other writings. Are they all "bunk"?

The USSR was not a monarchy, nor were General Secretaries to be appointed. By someone's definition, Lenin could be seen as just as much of a despot as Stalin. In fact, J. Arch Getty points out that the method of handling issues under Lenin was not that different at all from Stalin.

The question is not whether so and so could be labeled a "despot", but whose despot.

dar8888

27th January 2010, 21:55

The question is not whether so and so could be labeled a "despot", but whose despot.

The definition of despotism is: "a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person."

Clearly, since Lenin was not all-powerful, he was not a despot. Despite Getty, it is clear that Lenin and Stalin had very different styles, and had Lenin been in perfect health - it is likely that Stalin would have eventually assassinated him in order to take control, especially considering the harsh criticisisms that Lenin leveled against him.

Your earlier post stated - "One could also make the same argument about Stalin, who also saw his ideas ignored throughout his entire tenure from time to time." I'd like to hear an example of Stalin being ignored. When did something happen that he did not want to have happen? Lenin, on the other hand, was discounted at the end.

Andres Marcos

27th January 2010, 22:48

The definition of despotism is: "a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person."

Clearly, since Lenin was not all-powerful, he was not a despot. Despite Getty, it is clear that Lenin and Stalin had very different styles, and had Lenin been in perfect health - it is likely that Stalin would have eventually assassinated him in order to take control, especially considering the harsh criticisisms that Lenin leveled against him.

Your earlier post stated - "One could also make the same argument about Stalin, who also saw his ideas ignored throughout his entire tenure from time to time." I'd like to hear an example of Stalin being ignored. When did something happen that he did not want to have happen? Lenin, on the other hand, was discounted at the end.

Stalin: A New History by Sarah Davies(not really by her exclusively but contains MANY professors who write on Stalin and Soviet History); This is another good book that blasts a lot of misconceptions, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that Stalin was no "Totalitarian ominipotent dictator" by showing the number of politburo decisions(In Getty's article "Stalin As Prime Minister) made in the USSR in certain years and in one particular year(1934) Stalin was not even present at the decisions and some he was personally opposed, meaning he was not the tyrant the bourgeois, Trots, and anarchists all agree he was.

Kayser_Soso

28th January 2010, 05:14

Clearly, since Lenin was not all-powerful, he was not a despot.

The manner in which Lenin accomplished things by more or less secret meetings with politburo members was virtually identical to the way Stalin decided many issues.

Despite Getty, it is clear that Lenin and Stalin had very different styles, and had Lenin been in perfect health - it is likely that Stalin would have eventually assassinated him in order to take control, especially considering the harsh criticisisms that Lenin leveled against him.

Absolute nonsense and speculation.

Your earlier post stated - "One could also make the same argument about Stalin, who also saw his ideas ignored throughout his entire tenure from time to time." I'd like to hear an example of Stalin being ignored. When did something happen that he did not want to have happen? Lenin, on the other hand, was discounted at the end.

Stalin's ideas on the 1936 constitution were ignored by the party first secretaries who insisted on talking about how many "enemies" should be arrested. Stalin suggested that Bukharin be kicked out of the party, while instead he was executed. One can find dozens more examples by studying the year-to-year history of the USSR during that era.

Vanguard1917

30th January 2010, 15:30

The hero worship thing itself is ridiculous.

The further the Stalinist bureaucracy 'moved away' (to put it kindly) from Lenin's ideas and politics, the more busts and statues of him they felt obliged to erect. The latter are, of course, piss-poor substitutes for the former.

Kayser_Soso

31st January 2010, 14:58

The further the Stalinist bureaucracy 'moved away' (to put it kindly) from Lenin's ideas and politics, the more busts and statues of him they felt obliged to erect. The latter are, of course, piss-poor substitutes for the former.

Nonsense- as I stated before, factual research shows that the methods of Stalin and his politburo did not function in a manner radically different from Lenin.