Help with Private Property.

[SocialPhilosophy]

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It seems that I can find heaps and heaps about the concept of private property, but very little if none, of its actual history. does anyone know where i can find information on the first private property? Mainly in England and the States.

[IcarusAngel]

It would be impossible to find a true history of private property (there is no such thing as a true owner, all property is theft). The property in the US was taken from the Indians, and then you must see how they owned it, and go on back through history. You can only determine how the laws of private property have changed over the years and their context.

If you mean a history of the context of how private property existed throughout societies you'd study political science and history.

[SocialPhilosophy]

It would be impossible to find a true history of private property (there is no such thing as a true owner, all property is theft). The property in the US was taken from the Indians, and then you must see how they owned it, and go on back through history. You can only determine how the laws of private property have changed over the years and their context.

If you mean a history of the context of how private property existed throughout societies you'd study political science and history.

But in England for example, didn't the government take all the property away and sell it to businesses? i cant find ANYTHING on it.

[cb9's_unity]

Here's a brief introduction. Hopefully someone can elaborate.

In many ways the history of private property is history. Private property is ownership of tools to create wealth. So essentially private property is as old as civilization itself. The working class is different because it owns no private property, it can only sell its labor to the capitalist class that needs its labor to operate the means of production.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Exactly how far back do you want to go? Back to feudal times or further back? cb9 is right in a sense; private property goes waaay back.

[Zanthorus]

It seems that I can find heaps and heaps about the concept of private property, but very little if none, of its actual history. does anyone know where i can find information on the first private property? Mainly in England and the States.

The Origins of the Family, Private Property and The State - Frederick Engels (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm)


But in England for example, didn't the government take all the property away and sell it to businesses? i cant find ANYTHING on it.

You mean the enclosure of the commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts)?

[SocialPhilosophy]

It would be impossible to find a true history of private property (there is no such thing as a true owner, all property is theft). The property in the US was taken from the Indians, and then you must see how they owned it, and go on back through history. You can only determine how the laws of private property have changed over the years and their context.

If you mean a history of the context of how private property existed throughout societies you'd study political science and history.


But in England for example, didn't the government take all the property away and sell it to businesses? i cant find ANYTHING on it.


Here's a brief introduction. Hopefully someone can elaborate.

In many ways the history of private property is history. Private property is ownership of tools to create wealth. So essentially private property is as old as civilization itself. The working class is different because it owns no private property, it can only sell its labor to the capitalist class that needs its labor to operate the means of production.


Exactly how far back do you want to go? Back to feudal times or further back? cb9 is right in a sense; private property goes waaay back.


The Origins of the Family, Private Property and The State - Frederick Engels (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm)



You mean the enclosure of the commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts)?


Thanks much for the help. ive got what i need.

[whore]

The Origins of the Family, Private Property and The State - Frederick Engels



You mean the enclosure of the commons?
isn't origins dreadfully out of date? i admit to not having read it. that's because i read something, which i can't find now, about how anthropoligists ideas had changed a lot since the 19th century. and the consequential problems that engels's writing has.

i too echo previous comments about stuff going way back.

incidently also look up the diggers and levelers during the english civil war. they partly were fighting against the enclosures.