Growth of Islam and Muslim Demographics

[Drace]

The video discusses the falling population of Europeans and Americans, which it proposes is at a rate that which will allow the Muslim population to exceed European.

I don't like the stormfront style of reporting and its "we must do something about it" attitude, but if the analysis it does is correct, then its something that's certainly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbC5CxzhvtA

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Man, those Muslims sure are efficient :). Whenever I talk to my dad about Europe, in any sort of topic really, he'd always mention the rising growth of the muslim population in Europe, and how this rise in muslim demographics in Europe underlines an inevitable Islamaphobia and a tendency towards national and racial pride. Then he goes on to proudly reaffirm his beliefs that Islam seeks to protect familial institutions and as a result ensures the continuity of the human species through the the horniness of its followers and their thirst for in-bed action with the opposite sex, which -in the case of Islam- is achieved through marriage, which of course also means the accumulating growth of muslim culture around the world because of its familial dominance... I have to say, they guy's right :D 1.3 compared to 8.1, I mean that's just peanuts for the muslim kids to eat in the future.

[Glenn Beck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINChFxRXQs

[ComradeMan]

There's nothing you can do about this from a moral or ethical point of view. If Muslims begin to outnumber others in Europe then so be it, the forces of history. What I do object to are Islamist groups trying to impose or call for Shariah law- e.g. Islam4UK. If "Europeans" are worried about this then they should have more children.... LOL!!!!

[#FF0000]

There's nothing you can do about this from a moral or ethical point of view. If Muslims begin to outnumber others in Europe then so be it, the forces of history. What I do object to are Islamist groups trying to impose or call for Shariah law- e.g. Islam4UK. If "Europeans" are worried about this then they should have more children.... LOL!!!!

Know what I'm more concerned about than an absolute minority with absolutely no power trying to somehow transform an entire culture?

Capitalism.

[RedAnarchist]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/demographics.asp

[ComradeMan]

Know what I'm more concerned about than an absolute minority with absolutely no power trying to somehow transform an entire culture?

Capitalism.


I don't follow?

[Yazman]

He's saying that they're an absolute minority with absolutely no power and in reality this is extremely unlikely to change any time soon.

This is really just paranoia being stirred up by xenophobic europeans. Check the snopes article.

[ComradeMan]

He's saying that they're an absolute minority with absolutely no power and in reality this is extremely unlikely to change any time soon.

This is really just paranoia being stirred up by xenophobic europeans. Check the snopes article.


Right- get the point. As for the demographics argument, it's usually rubbish and it strikes me of some kind of modern form of racial hygiene lurking beneath a facade of genuine concern so to speak. The old cry of they "outbreed" us.... Well, then outbreed them!! LOL!!! Ridiculous. However I do think that groups like Islam4UK don't help matters either as they just play into the hands of the rightwing scaremongers- as well as have reactionary and dubious agendae.

The perception is often more powerful than the truth and this kind of thing just stirs up trouble. Where will it end?

[#FF0000]

However I do think that groups like Islam4UK don't help matters either as they just play into the hands of the rightwing scaremongers- as well as have reactionary and dubious agendae.

To be honest I think people who consider themselves "left-wing" play into the same hands when they fall for dumb xenophobic rhetoric and start thinking that there are no racist repercussions for picketing a group that is a minority of a minority.

[Yazman]

It should also be noted that these "projections" rely on the assumption that every single child of a muslim will "inherit" their parents' religion. Given we're talking about countries like France, where atheists make up almost half the population, I think this is unlikely in the case of second and third generation immigrants who will essentially just be regular French people.

[Glenn Beck]

It should also be noted that these "projections" rely on the assumption that every single child of a muslim will "inherit" their parents' religion. Given we're talking about countries like France, where atheists make up almost half the population, I think this is unlikely in the case of second and third generation immigrants who will essentially just be regular French people.

Speaking as a first generation native born, son of two immigrants from the same country, assimilation to the point where one can function perfectly well in the adopted society within one generation is extremely feasible under the right conditions. The problem is that bigots and nativists expect "assimilation" to mean a complete disappearance of cultural distinction rather than allowing the cultures involved to reach a normal and balanced symbiosis.

The biggest obstacle to the assimilation, ironically enough, is this paranoid alarmism and nativist sentiment that leads to the exclusion and ghettoization of immigrant groups. Fear, bigotry, and oppression directed towards the culture of the immigrants can also lead to a revival of nationalist sentiments and the adoption of aggressive forms of identity politics. In this way, those wannabe brownshirts here in the US that rave on about Chicano revanchism and "Nuevo Aztlán" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, as their bigotry is the single biggest catalyst for the radicalization of immigrant groups among ethnic lines there is. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric, the issue isn't how immigrant groups behave, be they Central Americans in the US or North Africans in Europe. It's the pseudo-genocidal desires of the nativists to rid their countries of "undesirables" that is the real root of the problem on both sides.

[Yazman]

**edit**

A child born in France is more likely to reflect the society and people around him, and I feel that thats true whether they were born to immigrants or not. These stupid demographic projections are bogus for many reasons, one of those reasons is the assumption that the children of immigrants will somehow automatically inherit their parents religion and values, which isn't necessarily true, and doesn't really ring true even for those who aren't born to immigrants. In a country like France where almost half the population are atheists or agnostic its unlikely that there will be resurgence of religion any time soon, not from recent generations nor from future ones. Regardless of whose children they are.

[Glenn Beck]

Umm.. yeah. I see what you're saying, but in the first place I wasn't advocating what you're claiming I'm advocating (I am certainly not blaming the victims for their own problems). I just said that a child born in France is more likely to reflect the society and people around him, and I feel that thats true whether they were born to immigrants or not. These stupid demographic projections are bogus for many reasons, I'm just pointing out that one of those reasons is the assumption that the children of immigrants will somehow automatically inherit their parents religion and values, which isn't necessarily true, and doesn't really ring true even for those who aren't bon to immigrants. In a country like France where almost half the population are atheists or agnostic its unlikely that there will be resurgence of religion any time soon, not from recent generations nor from future ones. Regardless of whose children they are.

What you talking about bro? I was under the impression that my post more or less agreed with and elaborated on the point you made.

[Yazman]

Oh. Sorry, I just thought because you quoted my post you were saying that as a response to what I said, rather than agreeing with it.

My bad.