zionism is reclaiming stolen land as the palestinians are now doing?

[MarxistLeninistMaoist]

Is zionism that the jews were forced out of their homeland a long time ago, and now some jewry think they have the right to take it back, if so and this is their main assersion of the right to isreal, then that is wrong, but isnt what the palestinians are doing now, fighting for their stolen land, what the jews are doin after they had it stolen first.
This is so my brother can see your answers, please dont be abusive though, i dontr want to scare him off : )

[dar8888]

Israel fell a long time ago. The current entity called "Israel" was re-created by European Capitalists with no regard for the non-Jewish people who had lived there for centuries - after Israel was consumed.

[Sasha]

"isreal" never existed before 1948.

there was an pre dominantly jewish nation (probely already called palestine) there until a few hundred years after christ. then most palestinians converted to either christianity or islam (and remaind living there!).
most jewish people now (ex. some ethiopian, egyptian and mayby some marocan ones) got converted from paganism much much later.
those who became sefardi (in maroco/spain) and askenazi (eastern europe) lived in places threathend by both more poverfull islamic and christian people who were at war with each other, not wanting to pick sides they conferted to that 3th abrahamic/monolitihic religion that both other faits still respected at that moment.

no, thousands year old culture, just (relativly) recent smart politics to be short

[Revy]

"isreal" never existed before 1948.

there was an pre dominantly jewish nation (probely already called palestine) there until a few hundred years after christ. then most palestinians converted to either christianity or islam (and remaind living there!).
most jewish people now (ex. some ethiopian, egyptian and mayby some marocan ones) got converted from paganism much much later.
those who became sefardi (in maroco/spain) and askenazi (eastern europe) lived in places threathend by both more poverfull islamic and christian people who were at war with each other, not wanting to pick sides they conferted to that 3th abrahamic/monolitihic religion that both other faits still respected at that moment.

no, thousands year old culture, just (relativly) recent smart politics to be short

While a great deal of Jews are descended from converts, you're basically saying that most Jews aren't descended from Palestine. The truth is that there were conversions as well as migrations out of Palestine by Jews, but I would venture to say most Jews are descended from migrations out of Palestine and not conversions.

Judaism was not "respected" in medieval times, if that's what you're implying. The Crusades slaughtered Jews as well as Muslims living in the "Holy Land".

Of course, ancestry doesn't entitle them to the land, that should be the point.

[Sasha]

While a great deal of Jews are descended from converts, you're basically saying that most Jews aren't descended from Palestine.

yup; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

judeaism is a cultural tradition, not an racial/ethnic.

[Revy]

yup; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

judeaism is a cultural tradition, not an racial/ethnic.

I don't view race/ethnicity as anything more than a social construct.

I'm disputing your idea that most Jews are descended from people who just decided to convert to it as a random decision. Most Jews are descended from people who migrated out of Palestine. The exile is a myth, but Jewish migration is not. The oldest synagogue in Western Europe dates to 100 CE, established in Rome. In the year 212, Emperor Caracalla extends Roman citizenship to all Jews. This abruptly ended when Rome became Christian and the persecution of Jews by Christians began.

Khazaria no doubt existed, but from the 7th to the 10th centuries. Also there was Jewish migration into Khazaria. The Jews of Europe brought Judaism to Khazaria, not the other way around.