police: all tools?

[CELMX]

i'm sure there have been many threads on this, and if there is one, please redirect me, but i was much too lazy and busy to look.

anyways...
Are all police tools of the bourgeois republic? What of the police that investigate a case in efforts to arrest a psychotic serial killer? It seems that capturing these murderers would help society as a whole, and not just the upper class. And what of the police that stop the gunmen and the rapists? Should we shun them? It seems that revolutionaries are very eager to get rid of police, but what about these police? Surely, society cannot work together to capture some crazed man. There needs to be educated men, who have studied fields such as criminal investigation, etc. to handle situations as these.



Please explain to me your qualms about these people.

[#FF0000]

Many here don't have a problem with the concept of a police force, save for some of the anarchists.

The problem is that a person who is acting as a police officer is 100% acting as a class enemy. It's the function of the police force in bourgeois society to protect the bourgeois order. That simple.

[Iskra1916]

In our society where the policing is overtly 'political' even when they are investigating 'ordinary crimes' they constantly trawl for potential informants from within the criminal fraternity to spy on activists

[Robert]

Yes, absolutely, they are "tools" of the bourgeois republic. Thank god. And after the revolution, they will be "tools" of the socialist society this board espouses.

Don't count on me to go along with every collective decision of a future worker council "chaired" by some grim Stalinist. (They have tremendous willpower, and you can count on them to fight for a spot on those councils.) When I get out of line, who are they gonna call?

A cop.

[SouthernBelle82]

Many here don't have a problem with the concept of a police force, save for some of the anarchists.

The problem is that a person who is acting as a police officer is 100% acting as a class enemy. It's the function of the police force in bourgeois society to protect the bourgeois order. That simple.

It depends on the person too. I'm doing criminal justice and I politically am a communist. I'd of course view things differently than someone else who isn't.

[#FF0000]

It depends on the person too. I'm doing criminal justice and I politically am a communist. I'd of course view things differently than someone else who isn't.

Eh sort of I guess. While there are definitely some cops that aren't awful people and who might even not snitch(!), it's far healthier, I think, to be extremely mistrustful of the police.

[graffic]

From my experience, most policemen/women, NOT all, but MOST, have been wankers.

You will do well to find a member of the police force involved with anything slightly left-leaning in politics

[Orange Juche]

Is a person who commits a crime based on their upbringing and as a method of survival in poverty also a tool?

If it is our conditions that create us, how can we be selective in who we say "they are a product of their society?" How can we be logically consistent yet justify condemning one group of people while excusing another?

[SouthernBelle82]

Eh sort of I guess. While there are definitely some cops that aren't awful people and who might even not snitch(!), it's far healthier, I think, to be extremely mistrustful of the police.

Well I think there's a difference between being mistrustful and just knowing your rights whether legally or as a human.

[SouthernBelle82]

Is a person who commits a crime based on their upbringing and as a method of survival in poverty also a tool?

If it is our conditions that create us, how can we be selective in who we say "they are a product of their society?" How can we be logically consistent yet justify condemning one group of people while excusing another?

Good point. I just got done with a sociology class this last term on violent offenders and we talked about being a product of society and it's definitely true.

[mikelepore]

The problem is that a person who is acting as a police officer is 100% acting as a class enemy. It's the function of the police force in bourgeois society to protect the bourgeois order. That simple.

I think what's happening is that a class divided society doesn't differentiate between kinds of emergencies the way leftists do. If a hurricane or earthquake is endangering the lives of many people, that's considered an emergency, so send in the police. If a group of workers are going on strike in violation of an injunction by the court, that "crime wave" is likewise considered an emergency, so send in the police. All disturbances of the capitalist idea of business-as-usual get lumped together. Therefore we get the ironic result of the same crew of police, at one moment heroically saving people's lives, but an hour later performing class oppression.