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Pogue
4th January 2010, 18:35
Anyone whose been looking at the newspapers or television today will have noticed the recent pledge by David Cameron and his motley crew of fellow Etonians, English Gentlemen and assorted debauched cretins will have picked up on claims that the Tories are going all left wing for the upcoming general election by continuing David Cameron's long held pledge of maintaining funding to the NHS. Some of us might even be lucky enough to have Daves mug posted on a billboard near our houses (cheers, Dave!), a pleasure up there with vomiting yourself to death and church.

While any seasoned member of that collection of charming individuals collectively known as the left will be able to see more of this Tory doublespeak, for the purpose of clarification to anyone else who might be looking (rightfully) for an alternative to Labour we're going to respond to this claim.

At the moment in the UK, we're in a time when politics of principle come second (er, third, fourth, well, somewhere near the bottom) to politics of image. If new Labour are rebranding for the 'class war' image they abandoned long ago, then the Conservatives are doing the 'Michael Jackson' of politics and completely changing their image to be almost the opposite of what it was before (and hopefully they'll meet a similar end). it takes a special period for the Tories to be taken seriously as the defenders of public services, but at the time when you can see billboards of a Holocaust denier 'toasting' the people of Barking or footie hooligans chanting En-ger-land in Wales little is as it seems. We'll be seeing coppers making communities nicer places to live next!

The Conservatives have consistently been a party of privatisation. Little has changed, especially given the current economic climate, caused by there mates the bankers and the general failings of the capitalist system. As we know, politics is a game of words more often than actions. We can expect the Tories to focus on the NHS - very intently. But this focus, far from improving it (heres a hint, sack the managers!) will be merticulous detail being awarded to what part of it they can quitely sell off to the highest bidder first. Cameron will be making the NHS 'more efficient' - by means of cutting jobs, dumping workloads upon fewer workers and hiring shitloads of talking shop advisors to tell patients to use less toilet roll. On paper, to the rich this is 'efficiency', because it means they are spending less money on our services and more on fattening themselves up (but don't you want to just pinch those chubby cheeks of Cameron's, ey? Really fucking hard.) This will be more of the same for the working class - getting fucked over by the politicians and the wealthy.

Don't fall for Cameron's desperate, shameless attempt to win votes in an icnreasingly tight looking election. There is nothing to gain in a Troy vote for ordinary hard working people, despite the rhetoric, the Tories are scum, just as they've always been. Don't believe the Labour claptrap about class politics either, because Labour wouldn't know class politics if it held a picket outside their house and did their windows in. Most of all, don't let the opputunistic bigots of the BNP prey on your sense of disenfranchisement with their radical sounding slogans. The BNP are the poison which mop up the floor following the fallout from the bigger parties and are just as opposed to our interests as any of the usual suspects. Spend the next few months looking after yourselves and your communities - organise, and show the whole circle of wankers once and for all what working class politics are! Working class politics has never been about the far rights lies, the spinelessness of the upper and middle classes or pandering to populist slogans, but union organising, fighting back and taking pride. Lets make sure we continue that tradition through the months ahead!

Everest Mann


Good little article on the Tories bleating on about the NHS recently.

ls
4th January 2010, 18:39
Oh yeah they were talking about introducing 'direct democracy' before, bunch of jokers.

Coggeh
4th January 2010, 21:24
Oh yeah they were talking about introducing 'direct democracy' before, bunch of jokers.
Lets not forget their talk about legalising cannabis also .

ls
4th January 2010, 21:29
:lol:

RadioRaheem84
4th January 2010, 21:38
I watched a report on European politics not too long ago that commented on how conservative politicians throughout Europe are capitalizing on the populist void left by the Socialist and Social Democrats in Europe when they capitulated to neo-liberalism in the 90s. Is this true? Are they using a lot of anti-market rhetoric and blaming the ills of Europe on left?

bricolage
4th January 2010, 22:52
Oh yeah they were talking about introducing 'direct democracy' before, bunch of jokers.

To be fair the right talks about direct democracy quite a lot actually, in the present political climate direct democracy turns into things like Switzerland banning minarets.

Lyev
5th January 2010, 17:53
There's 2 things in UK politics that I especially hate:

1) This "politics of image" that the article talks about. It's a disgusting, slimy way to get easy votes from people that probably know bugger all about actual, important politics. I'm fairly sure Davey has hired a personal photographer to take special pictures of him for publicity, like at the recent remembrance services.

2) second is the blame-game that the 3 mainstream parties play at, especially Labour and Tory, not so much Lib Dem. Rather than pointy a petty finger in the media and telling the Sun which party's MP's took what expenses or where Labour have cut the budget here. Rather than picking holes in their opponents, they should focus on actual politics and putting forward the policies of their own party's rather than slating someone else.

Oh and also, another thing, that really annoyed me, was the rant the Daily Mail had when Gordon Brown refused to tell those mums about what his favourite biscuit was, do you guys remember that? Oh another thing about Mr Davey Cameron; apperently he's given the BBC or some other media outlet the contents of his fucking iPod in an attempt to get down with kids or whatever. What on earth does the composition of his iPod have to do with politics? Furthermore; who fucking cares? Anyway, rant over :)

RadioRaheem84
5th January 2010, 18:06
Funny, we have this impression in the US that UK politics is all sophisticated and glamorous but the more I read your daily rags I get a different impression. It's just as slimy if not more so than American politics.

Lyev
5th January 2010, 18:15
Funny, we have this impression in the US that UK politics is all sophisticated and glamorous but the more I read your daily rags I get a different impression. It's just as slimy if not more so than American politics.

Haha, I have the impression that US politics are sophisticated and glamorous; and that everyone is really clued up, and talk current affairs all the time.

RadioRaheem84
5th January 2010, 18:44
Haha, I have the impression that US politics are sophisticated and glamorous; and that everyone is really clued up, and talk current affairs all the time.

If our politicians actually talked about the issues they'd be in trouble. What we have in the States is the politics of smear and the politics of ambiguity. Leftism is a dirty word so you smear your opponent by saying he's a leftist or a inciting class warfare and then you give some boring ambiguous speech about why America is so great. Relative to other nations, surprisingly, we have the lowest amount of corruption (at the Federal level) but that's not saying much considering our whole system is set up to where corruption is practically legal.


Back to the main point, the same is happening here in the States. Right wing politicians have cleverly disguised their rhetoric as populist while the liberals have really turned elitist by capitulating to neo-liberalism. The Democratic Party has effectively marginalized the left members of their Party and the center-right coalition has dominated the party ever since. The GOP has filled the populist void ever since. Our citizens were and are in real need of leftist mobilization but the right wing has them in their grip by playing on their religious fears, xenophobia and rural culture. Americans are some of the most socially conscious citizens on the planet. They know there is an elite, they know there is a strong disparity between rich and poor, and they know that the State is a corrupt tool of the corporate/banking interests. The only problem is that they think that elements from without (leftists, immigrants, liberals) are the root cause of the problem not the system itself. The right plays on this with extreme precision and will continue to do so unless we're able to get our voices out in a manner that doesn't make us look like we're talking out of our rear ends.

Lyev
5th January 2010, 19:38
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You know, it's interesting, when it comes down to it, how much of politics isn't actually about real politics. It's all about name-calling and making your opponents bad.

RadioRaheem84
5th January 2010, 19:56
What I hate more than anything and ,whats reflective of American and British politics, is this new group of liberals that have usurped everything the left stood for in the past and marginalized the real leftist elements as "far left". I hate New Labour more than I hate the Tories. I hate the New Democrats in the US more than I hate the Republicans.

I hate seeing hedge fund managers and I-bankers being a part of the Democratic and Labour Parties and exalting maximum influence over the unions and the working class.

ls
6th January 2010, 00:47
What I hate more than anything and ,whats reflective of American and British politics, is this new group of liberals that have usurped everything the left stood for in the past and marginalized the real leftist elements as "far left". I hate New Labour more than I hate the Tories. I hate the New Democrats in the US more than I hate the Republicans.

I hate seeing hedge fund managers and I-bankers being a part of the Democratic and Labour Parties and exalting maximum influence over the unions and the working class.

Then again, labour have had a clause for some 80 years that said it would hold the means of production for workers, so we are talking about a party that has consistently betrayed the working class for decades.