satanism

[ReggaeCat]

aint satanism the capitalistic version of christianity???the whole greedy,evil,non-caring thing..it just makes me nervous..:cursing:

[h0m0revolutionary]

aint satanism the capitalistic version of christianity???the whole greedy,evil,non-caring thing..it just makes me nervous..:cursing:

Actually Satanism can be as beautiful as the next religion in it's message (for example - one set of the two main satanic commandments (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/COMMANDMENTS.html)). But of course many of them don't accept Satan as a deity, just a metaphor for human mentality. Which they generalise as innately individualistic and revenge-seeking.

As for it being the 'capitalistic'? It's proponents I imagine would be no more or less advocates of capitalism than the next lot of people with an imaginary friend.

And besides, you'd be hard pressed to find more visual advocates of capitalism than the hierarchies of the Christian churches.

[The New Consciousness]

Are you really a Stalinist or are you just fooling about? Either way you're insulting a vast number of people who were slaughtered by that little twit of a man.

As for satanism, like all isms and ities - it's another childish belief system drawn up by a bunch of hypocrits with false morality and codes of behaviour just like any other, based on self-serving assumptions. Like all religious structures it deserves relegation to the dustbin.

[ReggaeCat]

uhm people slaughterd ...uhm...kulaks??if those i dont care...suits them well...
if any other id be happy to know and if im wrong to change ..:rolleyes:
if people were slaughtered they'd probably not be reading this forum...and if you mean their memory or something like that...people are insulting stalin since 1925...so...yeah...

But of course many of them don't accept Satan as a deity, just a metaphor for human mentality. Which they generalise as innately individualistic and revenge-seeking.


tht's what im talking about...LaVey describes satan as an employer,as an company owner or something..xD you know..:laugh:..if there are anarcho/communist christians can there be anarcho/commie satanists??:confused::lol:

[Chambered Word]

http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/who-killed-more-people.jpg

Wasn't Satan just some angel who got pissed off with God?

Seems like a better alternative to Christianity, but I personally treat all religion as mythology.

Perhaps someone can enlighten us a bit more about Satanism?

[Demogorgon]

Lavay described Satansim as "just the philosophy of Ayn Rand with added ritual".

Need more be said?

[Sasha]

Wasn't Satan just some angel who got pissed off with God?


yup, lucifer means "gods light", he was the first among angels and gods favorite but rebeld against god when he put humanity above the angels.
its IMO one of the most intresting parts of the bible and gave room for an whole range of very cool movies and litrature (the book paradise lost and the prophecy movies with cristopher walken for example, but also parts of the spawn comix etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Heaven

[Dimentio]

Satanism is more yet another variation of Nietszchean super-human elitism and hyperindividualism which is used as a tool for intellectual masturbation.

[ReggaeCat]

Satanism is more yet another variation of Nietszchean super-human elitism and hyperindividualism which is used as a tool for intellectual masturbation.


this.i too bored to go and find the book in the net but in the first 5 pages i was laughing very hard :laugh:then i closed it:closedeyes:.
anyways its like yes satan is the one who loves us to be vengeful and not let anyone be over us and like we the super duper guys who are satanist and understand the whole thing and stuff..i mean even the bible was more serious..:rolleyes:

[ReggaeCat]

http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/who-killed-more-people.jpg

Wasn't Satan just some angel who got pissed off with God?

Seems like a better alternative to Christianity, but I personally treat all religion as mythology.

Perhaps someone can enlighten us a bit more about Satanism?

nope it's worse i mean in the bible at least the theory was about the love and stuff in satanism it's the exact opposite

[Richard Nixon]

Lavay described Satansim as "just the philosophy of Ayn Rand with added ritual".

Need more be said?

Yes exactly. Satanism is probably the worst religion of all for Leftists (at least so far as beliefs are concerned).

[spiltteeth]

Anton LeVay, after all embraced Social Liberty and Free Market Capitalism

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[Weezer]

Satanism is an pseudo-philosophical excuse to be self-centered.

[Robocommie]

It's a childish religion for people with stunted compassion and stunted appreciations of the limits of material reward. It's basically directly contrary to Leftism. Whereas Christ has actually said, "Blessed are the poor, love thy neighbor, and chasing wealth is sinful" LaVeyan Satanism says, "Fuck the poor, I got mine."

[ls]

Yeah satanism is shit, but in all fairness, in the way it's practised it probably turns out just as bad as christianity, in practice. In theory, satanism has a couple of mildly interesting concepts but overall it is pretty shallow.

[ComradeMan]

http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/who-killed-more-people.jpg

Wasn't Satan just some angel who got pissed off with God?

Seems like a better alternative to Christianity, but I personally treat all religion as mythology.

Perhaps someone can enlighten us a bit more about Satanism?


A deep understanding of the Bible could lead one to conclude that most of the so-called killings acted out in the name of God were actually references to the Pharoahs of the Monotheistic Amarna period, references which have all but been lost and forgotten. In "Secrets of the Exodus" written by two N.African Qabbalistic rabbis they argue quite interestingly that Abraham was none other than Akhenaten the monotheistic heretic pharaoh and that "Adon-Ay" was actually the pharaoh Ay. Because of the disruption caused by the Amarna heresy the pharaoh, in a desperate attempt to restore order to Egypt expelled the monotheists to Judaea "Melekh ha Yehudim", the "yehudim" being the name used for the priests of the Aten cult and the "erev rav", or "hebrews" being the mixed peoples that went with them. Those religious people who justify actions based on a literal reading of at best distorted scripture are just as misinformed as those who attack scripture on the same premise. God, doesn't come into it.

[Chambered Word]

Satanism is an pseudo-philosophical excuse to be self-centered.

Ayn Rand was a Satanist?

[Demogorgon]

Ayn Rand was a Satanist?
Well like I say, much of the Satanic Bible is based on her work. She herself never got involved though.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Yeah, Satanism & free-market capitalism play hand-n-hand with each other, but if one was to believe that true satanism dealt with the worship of a false demonic entity, then that person is still deluded with the false information given out by the church.

[(A)(_|]

What could expect from a hyper individualistic set of concepts and paradigms? Nothing really, just a more intellectually backed reason to be self-centered and narcissistic. I think it holds that human compassion and selfless thought are generated as a result human self-hypocrisy. The polar opposite of satanism would be Buddhism; one advocating full throttle exhausting of desires while the latter promoting self control.

[Dr Mindbender]

well if anything positive can be said about satanism, is that no wars have been started in its name.

[Revy]

yup, lucifer means "gods light", he was the first among angels and gods favorite but rebeld against god when he put humanity above the angels.
its IMO one of the most intresting parts of the bible and gave room for an whole range of very cool movies and litrature (the book paradise lost and the prophecy movies with cristopher walken for example, but also parts of the spawn comix etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Heaven

Actually, there's no reference to the "War in Heaven" in the Bible at all. It was invented later by Christians to provide a backstory for Satan.

[ReggaeCat]

if god knows and sees everything did the snake who enetered edem slipped of his eyes or god ignored his existance??:laugh:
Satan was god's first angel his best of the best but he asked the same position as god from what i remeber and god kicked him out of heaven and let him create hell .....stupid stories..:rolleyes:(forgive me father for i have sinned once more..:lol:)

[Winter]

Satanism is fucking goofy. I mean, they're just selfish atheists. Capitalism is the perfect system for Satanists. Social Darwinism is their philosophy.

[Sean]

Winter, I admire their honestly. If you want to say youre a member, send $XXX and they'll send you a nice shiny red card saying you. They explicitly say that and I'm almost quoting.

I like that they embrace the need for symbols and ceremony too.

"new" atheists (love that term, as if they came up the river in a bubble one day) but i mean the angsty people occupied with antireligion grate me.

Some people need it, some people dont. Especially the ritual and community they dont get elsewhere.

Dawkins gives community, LaVey gives ritual.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I find the idea that Satanism is a 'capitalist' product of the individual quite infuriating. Although Anton LaVey based his studies by Ayn Rand, it was not based around her capitalist economics, but rather her belief that the highest of power is within the individual, which is true. This is practically the only thing that I've come to agree with Ayn Rand, & I can understand why Anton found a liking towards her philosophy. His philosophy revolved around a diverse number of thinkers, ranging from capitalists to socialists, but all had the same mind when it came towards disbanding against God, or the idea of God.

Satanism is not the belief & worship of an evil entity, for it believes in the higher ability of ones self & is against all Gods & leaders, nor does it represent the sacrificial rituals towards living beings, whether animal or human. If anything, the Bible clearly spoke of ritual sacrifice within their teachings:

"Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18)

"Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." (Exodus 13:2)

And I'm sure if you did your research on this, you'd find that it is not Satanism that represents such horrific ideas, but rather Judaism/Christianity.

To get a perspective on how a Satanist see's the U.S. & capitalism, I'll bring out two comments made within the long article made on Satanism, which can be found here (http://theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/belief/manifesto.html):


Other groups, despite living in the Bible Belt in the 21st century C.E., nevertheless believe in an alleged "cosmic war" which, for some strange reason, still revolves around Anton LaVey's disagreements with San Francisco's hippies of the 1960's. To them, the "spiritual war" is all about championing the virtues of war, vengeance, and pure capitalism, against the alleged pacifism and socialism of the Christian god. In fact, at least in the Bible Belt here in the U.S.A., most Christian "spiritual warfare" advocates are very conservative in their political and economic views. They certainly are neither pacifists nor socialists, nor are they particularly merciful in their ideas about law enforcement. (To the extent that they believe in "turning the other cheek," it applies only to the actions of individuals toward other individuals and especially toward authority figures.
On the other hand, Christian "spiritual warfare," both here in the U.S.A. and worldwide, is very much intertwined with religious bigotry and patriarchal sexual "morality." At least here in the U.S.A., most "spiritual warfare" Christians do not see Satan in capitalism, or in U.S. war policy, or in the death penalty. But, both here in the U.S.A. and worldwide, they clearly do see Satan in the West's growing religious diversity, and in the gay rights movement, and in feminism, and in popular entertainments that they see as glorifying the occult.So, as you can read, Satanist movements have shown their disgust against capitalist policies, & have pointed out the hypocrisy within the beliefs of the U.S., & of it's people. If one ever read Karl Marx's poem, 'Invocation of One in Despair', you'd come across this:“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.” Here, we see a common ground between Marx's beliefs & Satanist belief.

If there is anything that I've learned from reading Anton LaVey's 'Satanic Bible', it would be that we must not stand still when oppressed & pressed away from each other, & rather we must rebel & fight back, together equally, but to be strong within your higher self, which is of the individual. Please note that I am not a Satanist, rather an atheist, although I've come to not find really a difference in the two any longer. I have just come to be a supporter in Satanist belief, for it has liberated many minds against the religious doctrines, such doctrines that the capitalist bourgeois have used to oppressed & manipulate the populace for years & years. I am not saying that Satanism represents Socialism, & I'm definitely not saying that Satanism represents Capitalism, but rather the empowerment of one's self, as we come together against the oppressive doctrines in our lives, for whatever it may be.

UPDATE: Also, please don't refer to Anton LaVey as the founder of Satanism, & please don't perceive him as the father of Satanism, for he's not. Satanism is much, much older than christian belief, & has connected in time within Paganism, not of the belief in many Gods, but rather the Gods as metaphorical myths. One could say, they were the earliest of Atheist thought.

UPDATE #2: The idea of the individual does not derive under capitalist thought, for the individual, itself, is manipulated through capitalist prospects. Communism brings forth equality upon the individual, but it's still of the individual, nonetheless. If there is no individual aspects, then there is no determination of taking hold of ones life, as I have seen it. And so, Communism, despite the egalitarian belief of man, consists of the promotion of the individual, though used to help others as well as you would want them to help you. Jean-Paul Sartre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre) would be one of my favorite Communists in history who spoke of individuality existing within Communist ideology, for it does not conflict when the capitalist bourgeois is not within the exploitation of man.

UPDATE #3: Speaking of Jean-Paul Sartre, if one was to ever listen to one of the most famous Satanist bands in history, Behemoth, who I can say have stayed true to true satanist thought & atheistic-paganist thought, they have shown their support towards people like Jean-Paul Sartre & Jean Genet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Genet), two communist supporters, & have based their beliefs from these individuals, along with many others.

[AnarchismInZion]

Well if you were to talk about traditional satanism then it's basically just reverse-christianity with extra care taken to make sure every single last detail contradicts the christian views of the said details.

LaVeyan Satanism however is just Materialism converted into a religion.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Well if you were to talk about traditional satanism then it's basically just reverse-christianity with extra care taken to make sure every single last detail contradicts the christian views of the said details.

LaVeyan Satanism however is just Materialism converted into a religion.

You do realize that 'Satanism' is much older than christian/judaism beliefs right? So the idea that 'traditional-satanism' was used to contradict christian views is not exactly true. That's probably what it ended up doing, but satanism, itself, is merely paganistic-atheism.

[Communist]

Satanism. Don't know much about it except that it's largely been invented by churches as a reason to scare people, or something, and that some teenage kids who listen to heavy metal sometimes take it up as a short-lived hobby.
I read "The Satanic Bible", it was really not what I was expecting, all it seemed to be about was a reason to have sex freely, etc. Who needs a book for that, so it wasn't very interesting and I never became a LaVeyan.

Basically in because I thought this would be a great 666th post, not that it'll stay that way for any length of time. Cheers!

[RGacky3]

Satanism is essencially, a religion for guys that go to modern art galleries and stroke their goatees for like an hour and hope people are looking at them, and also the type that LIVE to put other people down and pretend to be more enlightend then everyone else.

Its not a religion its just, as others have said, nitzchean wankery, they are athiests that pretend to have no morals (even though they do) and have made a religion out of it.

Its essencially guys that read a ton of nitzche, like to mock people, can't get laid, and play a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, and desperately need attention, and want to pretend to be smarter than everyone else, desperately want to get laid.

Atheists going out of their way to try and be shocking.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Satanism is essencially, a religion for guys that go to modern art galleries and stroke their goatees for like an hour and hope people are looking at them, and also the type that LIVE to put other people down and pretend to be more enlightend then everyone else.

Its not a religion its just, as others have said, nitzchean wankery, they are athiests that pretend to have no morals (even though they do) and have made a religion out of it.

Its essencially guys that read a ton of nitzche, like to mock people, can't get laid, and play a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, and desperately need attention, and want to pretend to be smarter than everyone else, desperately want to get laid.

Atheists going out of their way to try and be shocking.

Completely untrue. This type of propaganda is astounding to be seen within the RevLeft forum, when I thought this was the only type of crap one would see on Fox News. You have no idea what real satanism is, & trust me, it was never started with Anton LaVey, for he just progressed it to other lengths. And to be honest, I don't support all he's said, though the people that are running the Church of Satan now are a bunch of capitalists who want nothing but money. Anton was different, but he was not original satanism. You people think that when one talks about original satanism it's automatically everything about the 'Satanic Bible', which it isn't. The majority of 'demons' that were considered as such by the christian doctrines were once pagan mythical gods that represented equality, justice, morals, etc. So don't bring that type of propaganda towards a belief that you have no idea what it's about, truly about.

[RGacky3]

Completely untrue. This type of propaganda is astounding to be seen within the RevLeft forum, when I thought this was the only type of crap one would see on Fox News. You have no idea what real satanism is, & trust me, it was never started with Anton LaVey, for he just progressed it to other lengths. And to be honest, I don't support all he's said, though the people that are running the Church of Satan now are a bunch of capitalists who want nothing but money. Anton was different, but he was not original satanism. You people think that when one talks about original satanism it's automatically everything about the 'Satanic Bible', which it isn't. The majority of 'demons' that were considered as such by the christian doctrines were once pagan mythical gods that represented equality, justice, morals, etc. So don't bring that type of propaganda towards a belief that you have no idea what it's about, truly about.

I'm basing this on people I have encountered who follow LeVayen Satanism.

As far as what your talking about, which sounds like theistic satanism, I don't know much about it.

[Sean]

Completely untrue. This type of propaganda is astounding to be seen within the RevLeft forum, when I thought this was the only type of crap one would see on Fox News. You have no idea what real satanism is, & trust me, it was never started with Anton LaVey, for he just progressed it to other lengths. And to be honest, I don't support all he's said, though the people that are running the Church of Satan now are a bunch of capitalists who want nothing but money. Anton was different, but he was not original satanism. You people think that when one talks about original satanism it's automatically everything about the 'Satanic Bible', which it isn't. The majority of 'demons' that were considered as such by the christian doctrines were once pagan mythical gods that represented equality, justice, morals, etc. So don't bring that type of propaganda towards a belief that you have no idea what it's about, truly about.
As RGacky3 said, that sounds like theistic satanism, which is nothing more than devil worship, a branch of Christianity.
Although LaVey muddied the waters for shock value, and hung with Crowley, theres a huge difference, even if the rituals are similar. I've no doubt that satanists do all kinds of stupid things, but don't take everything some guy in a hostel clutching a satanic bible he found in the st VdeP says as gospel if you'll pardon the pun. I think its really you that doesnt have a clue. Satanists are at best just a pack of wankers who aspire to be wankers, the scary people are the theistic devil worshippers or idiots that missed the whole point.

Satanism = Church of Satan, nontheistic arty types
People who worship satan = Idiots, religious types with mental issues

I'm afraid its you thats been listening to Fox News, there's a huge difference. One is a cult, one is a financial scam that is a cult.

If the mention of satan gives you the heeby jeebies then fair enough but you're missing a few crucial bits in this subject. I'd suggest you grab your roseary beads and read the preface to the satanic bible, then laugh your arse off.

I only give it bonus points for admitting that people need ritual.

[The Vegan Marxist]

No, rather Satanism derived from atheistic beliefs towards a metaphorical look through pagan gods. Theistic satanism started since christianity, because satanism had become the opposition to them to push people into their beliefs, away from 'evil ones' that the christians saw as through the use of scare tactics.

[Sean]

No, rather Satanism derived from atheistic beliefs towards a metaphorical look through pagan gods. Theistic satanism started since christianity, because satanism had become the opposition to them to push people into their beliefs, away from 'evil ones' that the christians saw as through the use of scare tactics.
It derived from an occult nihilist look at things from an atheist, if we wish to be pedantic. :) Still, I'm glad you actually do know what you're talking about, I apologise for thinking you unread.