What would you say to White supremacist who claims to care about the White working cl

[tradeunionsupporter]

What would you say to White supremacist or a Neo Nazi/Fascist who claims to care about the White working class but who only cares about White workers and not non White workers. What would you say to convince a racist to care about all workers and not just the working class of his or her race.

[Die Rote Fahne]

You don't. Racists are....are pretty much a lost cause.

They do NOT respond to logic.

Engage them if you must. Get them to explain what is the difference between a white steel worker and a black steel worker.

[#FF0000]

Racism is something that is used and exploited by the ruling classes to keep the working class divided and weak. How can you liberate working folk by focusing on the arbitrary dividing lines put between them and not focusing on the real, material class differences between the workers and the bosses.

What the hell does any section of the working class gain by identifying with the people who are actually keeping them exploited and run down?

[Die Rote Fahne]

Racism is something that is used and exploited by the ruling classes to keep the working class divided and weak. How can you liberate working folk by focusing on the arbitrary dividing lines put between them and not focusing on the real, material class differences between the workers and the bosses.

What the hell does any section of the working class gain by identifying with the people who are actually keeping them exploited and run down?

Excellent point.

[Demogorgon]

It depends. Sometimes you are as well trying to explain to a dog why it is impolite to lick its balls in public. They have a lot invested, emotionally speaking, in their ridiculous views and form a cognitive block to stop them from being challenged.

In other cases it is a case of false consciousness. There has been a tendency of late to blame the wows on the white working class on immigrants. It is really stupid but does serve as a good means to channel attention away from the real causes. In that case you have to bring attention round to the real reasons for working class problems.

[(A)narcho-Matt]

I think it depends. If its a white supremecist/White Nationalist, then theres no point. If its some one who is a worker but also holds some racist views then there is some possibility that you can debate with them. This is something to note more when dealing with groups like the EDL rather than obviously WN organisations such as the NF. If its someone like a patriotic EDL member who thinks their "coming over here ruining our country", ten explain how its not our country, the workers have no nation and Nationalism, Racism etc divides us, and in a world bassed on the Boss-Worker Relationship, we have to be united in order to liberate ourselves.

If its an NF Nazi spouting off about how blacks are subhuman, you cant debate with them.

[nuisance]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[Robocommie]

The only thing you can do with a white nationalist is earnestly hope they have some kind of life-changing experience, that shows them the error of racism, but other than that they're going to actively resist any other viewpoint. Their racism is a major part of their identity at that point.

They're not a lost cause, because nobody is a lost cause, but you should not expect to be able to "convert" them.

[Bud Fox]

I believe in earnest and reasonable debate whenever possible. To (approximately and unpopularly) quote Thatcher: 'I relish personal attacks because it means my opponent is losing the argument'. Debate intelligently and never shout or personally attack anyone. If your opponent doesnt recipricate then you occupy the high ground and effectively win.
I always try to understand that it is easy for anyone to be indoctrinated into any ideology dependant on their life experience. One person may feel oppressed at work and impoverished by capitalists thus becoming part of a worker collective. Someone may feel a close kinship within thier nation and sense some injustice or threat towards their collective hence making them a nationalist. A supremacist is just an often arrogant racial collective member who can be debated like anyone else.